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Old December 21st 17, 06:06 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA
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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745


Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
exactly what their intention is.
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Old December 21st 17, 06:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

In article , Bill W
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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745


Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
exactly what their intention is.


they're prolonging the useful life of the device, avoiding unexpected
shutdowns due to aging batteries.
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Old December 21st 17, 10:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

On 2017-12-21 12:06, Bill W wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745


Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
exactly what their intention is.


This shouldn't come as a discovery. It should be in Apple's
documentation online.

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Old December 22nd 17, 01:35 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:22:36 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745


Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
exactly what their intention is.


Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they know better than the consumer? Why not advise people that this is the case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device?


I agree that they should have notified that they were doing that, but
this is being portrayed as just another nefarious act by Apple - or
really just another evil tech company of your choice. I think the
intentions were good, even if the method wasn't.

And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?


People who can afford pricey smartphones can probably afford to
replace the battery.
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Old December 22nd 17, 01:38 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

In article ,
RichA wrote:

Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they know
better than the consumer?


because the various companies have extensive repair, crash and
performance data that users do not.

Why not advise people that this is the case and
let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device?


because if users choose wrong (which they invariably will), the device
may crash, be permanently damaged or possibly worse.

new android malware cranks the cpu so hard that the phone
self-destructs:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/12...ning-malware-l
oapi-capable-physically-damaging-phones/
The cryptocurrency mining module maintains a load sufficiently high
enough to cause physical damage to a test device after two days‹the
above photo shows a device which overheated to the point the battery
bulged.

many computers throttle cpu speed when it gets too hot. otherwise, it
will stop working entirely. users don't like when that happens.

some nikon flashes shut down when they get too warm. users don't like
when that happens either, and many consider nikon's threshold to be too
low.

And what is so dire about
getting a battery changed?


nothing. nobody is preventing anyone from doing exactly that.
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Old December 22nd 17, 03:08 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

On 2017-12-22 01:22, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745


Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
exactly what their intention is.


Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they know better than the consumer? Why not advise people that this is the case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device? And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?


Apparently old batteries simply can not supply the peak power demanded
by the phone, so what would happen is that the phone would simply crash
or power off instantly, which is worse that running slower.

Yes, they should tell users of the situation. But it is not evil.

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Old December 22nd 17, 03:45 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

On 12/21/2017 7:38 PM, nospam wrote:
In article ,

snip

And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?


nothing. nobody is preventing anyone from doing exactly that.

How easy is it to replace a battery in an iPhone.
From what I read, not very.
Also see the comments to a pending NY right to repair bill. You will
have to look for them.
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+8+Plus+Battery+Replacement/98260

Don't bother telling us that most people get anew phone, before the
battery craps out.

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Old December 22nd 17, 04:16 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

In article , PeterN
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And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?


nothing. nobody is preventing anyone from doing exactly that.


How easy is it to replace a battery in an iPhone.


it depends on the iphone, but generally it's not that hard for someone
comfortable opening modern electronic devices. the tools are also
readily available for those who don't already have them, sometimes
included with the battery, as a complete kit.

for those not comfortable opening it up, apple charges $79 and that
comes with a full warranty and many times can be done while you wait at
an apple store.

third party repair shops can also swap batteries, however, both prices
and quality of work can vary. shop around.

From what I read, not very.


keep reading.

Also see the comments to a pending NY right to repair bill. You will
have to look for them.
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+8+Plus+Battery+Replacement/98260


i'm well aware of the right to repair bill and that ifixit, who has a
vested interest in it, is aggressively pushing for it.

now go check out what ifixit has to say about replacing a battery in a
microsoft surface laptop:
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92915
Verdict: The Surface Laptop is not a laptop. Itıs a glue-filled
monstrosity. There is nothing about it that is upgradable or
long-lasting, and it literally canıt be opened without destroying it.
(Show us the procedure, Microsoft, weıd love to be wrong.)
....
The battery is difficult and dangerous to replace, giving the device
a limited lifespan.

in other words, when (not if) the battery fails, you have a very nice
and expensive paperweight. perhaps the suede alcantara keyboard will
ease the pain.

https://www.windowscentral.com/sites...styles/larger/
public/field/image/2017/03/signature-type-cover-01.jpg

Don't bother telling us that most people get anew phone, before the
battery craps out.


given that the battery is rated to last 5 years at 80% capacity and
most people keep their phone 2-3 years, they absolutely do.

the battery is also cheap to replace for those who wish to keep the
same phone for longer than that.
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Old December 22nd 17, 12:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

On 2017-12-22 00:35:06 +0000, Bill W said:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:22:36 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745

Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
exactly what their intention is.


Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they
know better than the consumer? Why not advise people that this is the
case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device?


I agree that they should have notified that they were doing that, but
this is being portrayed as just another nefarious act by Apple - or
really just another evil tech company of your choice. I think the
intentions were good, even if the method wasn't.

And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?


People who can afford pricey smartphones can probably afford to
replace the battery.


There would not be much harm in making phone and laptop batteries user
replaceble again would it? They used to be. Other than loss in sales,
that is... It would ad a mere1mm to the thicknes of the device...
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Old December 22nd 17, 05:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
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Default Apple admits hobbling old phones to "save batteries"

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 12:00:55 +0100, android wrote:

On 2017-12-22 00:35:06 +0000, Bill W said:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:22:36 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745

Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
exactly what their intention is.

Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they
know better than the consumer? Why not advise people that this is the
case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device?


I agree that they should have notified that they were doing that, but
this is being portrayed as just another nefarious act by Apple - or
really just another evil tech company of your choice. I think the
intentions were good, even if the method wasn't.

And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?


People who can afford pricey smartphones can probably afford to
replace the battery.


There would not be much harm in making phone and laptop batteries user
replaceble again would it? They used to be. Other than loss in sales,
that is... It would ad a mere1mm to the thicknes of the device...


I agree with that. Even though they are still replaceable in many
cases, it takes some dexterity.
 




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