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In article , Alan Browne
wrote: That said, there are changes that Apple make that I find very annoying - such as app settings that should be within an app's settings panel that are moved to the system settings. (several iOS v. ago). that's not new. Why I said several iOS versions ago. where 'several' is 11 versions ago, with iphone os 1 in 2007. I was referring to the sudden shift in Apple apps to move things into the settings. The compass is an example. there is no sudden shift and it's up to the app developer. for compass, there is only one setting, true north, which would be clutter for the app, especially since it's rarely changed, if ever. it's been that way since ios began and entirely up to individual app developers where to put app settings. ^this^ apple wanted a central location for all settings. some app developers adopted that concept while others did not. It's structurally wrong. System settings should contain system related settings. App settings should contain app related settings. both methods are valid. Because you can 'do' it that way, does not make that way the best or correct way. Violates structured design principles for s/w design and u/i design. putting settings all in one place is structured, just differently. as i said, both methods are valid. having it in settings is less clutter for the app. the problem is that What belongs to an app should be in the app. Period. That's just structured design. except that some settings are system related, such as whether to display notifications, whether the app should use cellular data. if location services is active or if the app has access to the camera, microphone, etc. there's no consistency. some apps even have a mix of both. Then Apple should respect structured design and make it such that app configuration/settings are only set from within the app. see above. |
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On 2018-11-25 19:51, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne wrote: That said, there are changes that Apple make that I find very annoying - such as app settings that should be within an app's settings panel that are moved to the system settings. (several iOS v. ago). that's not new. Why I said several iOS versions ago. where 'several' is 11 versions ago, with iphone os 1 in 2007. I was referring to the sudden shift in Apple apps to move things into the settings. The compass is an example. there is no sudden shift and it's up to the app developer. for compass, there is only one setting, true north, which would be clutter for the app, especially since it's rarely changed, if ever. it's been that way since ios began and entirely up to individual app developers where to put app settings. ^this^ apple wanted a central location for all settings. some app developers adopted that concept while others did not. It's structurally wrong. System settings should contain system related settings. App settings should contain app related settings. both methods are valid. Because you can 'do' it that way, does not make that way the best or correct way. Violates structured design principles for s/w design and u/i design. putting settings all in one place is structured, just differently. Badly structured. as i said, both methods are valid. Nope. having it in settings is less clutter for the app. the problem is that What belongs to an app should be in the app. Period. That's just structured design. except that some settings are system related, such as whether to display notifications, whether the app should use cellular data. if location services is active or if the app has access to the camera, microphone, etc. That's fine, because they are system related. But an app setting, such as whether the compass displays magnetic or true heading certainly is not - that belongs in the app as it is part of the app. -- "2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do." - unknown protester |
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In article , Alan Browne
wrote: System settings should contain system related settings. App settings should contain app related settings. both methods are valid. Because you can 'do' it that way, does not make that way the best or correct way. Violates structured design principles for s/w design and u/i design. putting settings all in one place is structured, just differently. Badly structured. structured *differently*. as i said, both methods are valid. Nope. wrong. both are valid. having a central location for settings makes sense in some cases. the problem is that neither method is enforced, so there's a mix of both and users aren't always sure where to look. having it in settings is less clutter for the app. the problem is that What belongs to an app should be in the app. Period. That's just structured design. except that some settings are system related, such as whether to display notifications, whether the app should use cellular data. if location services is active or if the app has access to the camera, microphone, etc. That's fine, because they are system related. they're app related, with each app having its own configuration. contrast that with systemwide enable/disable notifications, cellular data, location, etc. for *all* apps. But an app setting, such as whether the compass displays magnetic or true heading certainly is not - that belongs in the app as it is part of the app. except that particular setting is rarely changed, if at all, so there's no reason to clutter up the app for only one toggle. *many* ios apps are single view apps. if you disagree, write your own compass app and put whatever settings you want wherever you want. |
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On 2018-11-26 11:57, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne wrote: System settings should contain system related settings. App settings should contain app related settings. both methods are valid. Because you can 'do' it that way, does not make that way the best or correct way. Violates structured design principles for s/w design and u/i design. putting settings all in one place is structured, just differently. Badly structured. structured *differently*. as i said, both methods are valid. Nope. wrong. both are valid. having a central location for settings makes sense in some cases. the problem is that neither method is enforced, so there's a mix of both and users aren't always sure where to look. having it in settings is less clutter for the app. the problem is that What belongs to an app should be in the app. Period. That's just structured design. except that some settings are system related, such as whether to display notifications, whether the app should use cellular data. if location services is active or if the app has access to the camera, microphone, etc. That's fine, because they are system related. they're app related, with each app having its own configuration. contrast that with systemwide enable/disable notifications, cellular data, location, etc. for *all* apps. But an app setting, such as whether the compass displays magnetic or true heading certainly is not - that belongs in the app as it is part of the app. except that particular setting is rarely changed, if at all, so there's Depends on the user and his use case. no reason to clutter up the app for only one toggle. A radio button or slider is not clutter - it's also a reminder to the use of which mode he is in. Indeed, a mode status that says "MAG" or "TRUE" at the top which can be "held" for 2 seconds to flip the state would cover status indication and the ability to change it. *many* ios apps are single view apps. Pfft. Stick to one model of how app related settings should be set. Clarity in design. if you disagree, write your own compass app and put whatever settings you want wherever you want. Far better than that - I have several other compass apps with various features - including of course mag/true selection. The best being "Hunter Pro Compass". Not that it matters all that much, if I want a reliable magnetic compass I use a reliable magnetic compass. Far more accurate than any mobile phone compass. -- "2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do." - unknown protester |
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In article , Alan Browne
wrote: But an app setting, such as whether the compass displays magnetic or true heading certainly is not - that belongs in the app as it is part of the app. except that particular setting is rarely changed, if at all, so there's Depends on the user and his use case. yep, and the vast majority do not change it, thus 'rarely changed'. the bundled compass app is designed for the masses. no reason to clutter up the app for only one toggle. A radio button or slider is not clutter - it's also a reminder to the use of which mode he is in. Indeed, a mode status that says "MAG" or "TRUE" at the top which can be "held" for 2 seconds to flip the state would cover status indication and the ability to change it. except that most people won't change it and probably don't even know the difference. it's clutter. |
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On 2018-11-26 13:54, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne wrote: But an app setting, such as whether the compass displays magnetic or true heading certainly is not - that belongs in the app as it is part of the app. except that particular setting is rarely changed, if at all, so there's Depends on the user and his use case. yep, and the vast majority do not change it, thus 'rarely changed'. the bundled compass app is designed for the masses. no reason to clutter up the app for only one toggle. A radio button or slider is not clutter - it's also a reminder to the use of which mode he is in. Indeed, a mode status that says "MAG" or "TRUE" at the top which can be "held" for 2 seconds to flip the state would cover status indication and the ability to change it. except that most people won't change it and probably don't even know the difference. it's clutter. In your opinion. Which doesn't amount for much. -- "2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do." - unknown protester |
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In article , Alan Browne
wrote: But an app setting, such as whether the compass displays magnetic or true heading certainly is not - that belongs in the app as it is part of the app. except that particular setting is rarely changed, if at all, so there's Depends on the user and his use case. yep, and the vast majority do not change it, thus 'rarely changed'. the bundled compass app is designed for the masses. no reason to clutter up the app for only one toggle. A radio button or slider is not clutter - it's also a reminder to the use of which mode he is in. Indeed, a mode status that says "MAG" or "TRUE" at the top which can be "held" for 2 seconds to flip the state would cover status indication and the ability to change it. except that most people won't change it and probably don't even know the difference. it's clutter. In your opinion. Which doesn't amount for much. ad hominem. and it's in apple's opinion, since they wrote the compass app. |
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