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Old August 27th 04, 12:40 AM
HugYourPug
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Default Canon Elan 7NE vs. EOS 3

Are there great advantages of the EOS 3? Used EOS 3 prices on EBay are not that
much more than a new 7NE. Of course technology marches on, so perhaps one has
an advantage.
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Old August 27th 04, 11:21 AM
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The EOS3 is a "professional" camera, and is built accordingly. It is very
well sealed against moisture and dust. It can shoot at about 8 frames per
second (with a booster). Because of all these things, it is also very
heavy. If you really need the tank-like construction and the environmental
sealing, fine, but for what I do, I'd much rather have a 7NE hanging around
my neck. The 7NE is also quite a bit quieter in operation.

Hope that helps.

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"HugYourPug" wrote in message
...
Are there great advantages of the EOS 3? Used EOS 3 prices on EBay are not

that
much more than a new 7NE. Of course technology marches on, so perhaps one

has
an advantage.



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Old August 27th 04, 11:21 AM
Steve Marshall
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The EOS3 is a "professional" camera, and is built accordingly. It is very
well sealed against moisture and dust. It can shoot at about 8 frames per
second (with a booster). Because of all these things, it is also very
heavy. If you really need the tank-like construction and the environmental
sealing, fine, but for what I do, I'd much rather have a 7NE hanging around
my neck. The 7NE is also quite a bit quieter in operation.

Hope that helps.

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"HugYourPug" wrote in message
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Are there great advantages of the EOS 3? Used EOS 3 prices on EBay are not

that
much more than a new 7NE. Of course technology marches on, so perhaps one

has
an advantage.



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Old August 27th 04, 08:12 PM
Markus Malmqvist
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"Steve Marshall" wrote in message
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The EOS3 is a "professional" camera, and is built accordingly. It is very
well sealed against moisture and dust. It can shoot at about 8 frames per


THAT, unfortunately is complete bull****. This little bit of info is the
only one I have seen in the net, that is consistently incorrect from
unofficial sources.

I have photographed in the rain a few times, and now the camera is badly
corroded. When I asked the official Canon service personnel, they said that
EOS3 is certainly NOT watertight. Asked from Canon USA in the web, the same
response...

The estimate is 585e MINIMUM, they can not see all the corrosion until they
have taken the camera completely apart. And I mean completely...

--markus


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Old August 27th 04, 08:12 PM
Markus Malmqvist
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"Steve Marshall" wrote in message
...
The EOS3 is a "professional" camera, and is built accordingly. It is very
well sealed against moisture and dust. It can shoot at about 8 frames per


THAT, unfortunately is complete bull****. This little bit of info is the
only one I have seen in the net, that is consistently incorrect from
unofficial sources.

I have photographed in the rain a few times, and now the camera is badly
corroded. When I asked the official Canon service personnel, they said that
EOS3 is certainly NOT watertight. Asked from Canon USA in the web, the same
response...

The estimate is 585e MINIMUM, they can not see all the corrosion until they
have taken the camera completely apart. And I mean completely...

--markus


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Old August 28th 04, 01:15 AM
Skip M
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"Markus Malmqvist" wrote in message
...

"Steve Marshall" wrote in message
...
The EOS3 is a "professional" camera, and is built accordingly. It is

very
well sealed against moisture and dust. It can shoot at about 8 frames

per

THAT, unfortunately is complete bull****. This little bit of info is the
only one I have seen in the net, that is consistently incorrect from
unofficial sources.

I have photographed in the rain a few times, and now the camera is badly
corroded. When I asked the official Canon service personnel, they said

that
EOS3 is certainly NOT watertight. Asked from Canon USA in the web, the

same
response...

The estimate is 585e MINIMUM, they can not see all the corrosion until

they
have taken the camera completely apart. And I mean completely...

--markus


"Well sealed" and "water tight" are not the same thing. The EOS3 was
claimed, at its release, to have water and dust seals the equivalent of the
then outgoing 1n.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com


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Old August 28th 04, 03:56 PM
Markus Malmqvist
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THAT, unfortunately is complete bull****. This little bit of info is the
only one I have seen in the net, that is consistently incorrect from
unofficial sources.

I have photographed in the rain a few times, and now the camera is badly
corroded. When I asked the official Canon service personnel, they said

that
EOS3 is certainly NOT watertight. Asked from Canon USA in the web, the

same
response...

The estimate is 585e MINIMUM, they can not see all the corrosion until

they
have taken the camera completely apart. And I mean completely...

--markus


"Well sealed" and "water tight" are not the same thing. The EOS3 was
claimed, at its release, to have water and dust seals the equivalent of

the
then outgoing 1n.


OK, I was not being exact enough about terminology. In any case, the camera
could not handle rain that I was easily handling without any rain gear. So
certainly not heavy rain. The worst symptoms it got in wet snow rain.

For the fun of it I will include the Very Official Canon answer:

Dear Mr. Malmqvist,

Thank you for your inquiry.

The EOS 3 is not designed to be used in rain or high humidity. The EOS
1v is our only water and dust resistant model.

Please note, Canon USA does not monitor, confirm, endorse, or attest to
the accuracy of any information posted on third party websites. It
seems many customers are overwhelmed by the barrage of information (or
misinformation) being posted on unregulated, non-Canon websites.
Unfortunately, this is not something over which Canon has any control.
We are able only to confirm the performance of the camera based on our
own testing.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions or
concerns.

Thank you for choosing Canon.

Sincerely,

Chris
Product Support Representative


Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Email Support Form Message
Product Type: EOS-3
Product Model:
IslandData Session:
INQUIRY: Hi,
Canon EOS 3 weather sealing: fact or fiction?
In the net everyone claims that sealing exists. Therefore I have used my
camera in high humidity and rain. However, corrosion have now eaten the
components for six months and damage is great. Repair 585e minimum. It
works, but battery expenses can be as large as film.
Canon service person claims there is next to nothing sealing in EOS 3.
He also says that officially there is no special sealing, has never
been. They say manual warns about weather, but I can not locate it now.
It would be interesting to know what is the truth. I have never before
seen such consistent disinformation in the net...
I have insurance, have not checked yet, but it probably will not cover
this, because no "accident" has happened. Sadly they probably do not
count ignorance and misinformation as accident.
Markus Malmqvist
Product Serial Number: 2732458
First Name: Markus
Last Name: Malmqvist


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Old August 28th 04, 03:56 PM
Markus Malmqvist
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THAT, unfortunately is complete bull****. This little bit of info is the
only one I have seen in the net, that is consistently incorrect from
unofficial sources.

I have photographed in the rain a few times, and now the camera is badly
corroded. When I asked the official Canon service personnel, they said

that
EOS3 is certainly NOT watertight. Asked from Canon USA in the web, the

same
response...

The estimate is 585e MINIMUM, they can not see all the corrosion until

they
have taken the camera completely apart. And I mean completely...

--markus


"Well sealed" and "water tight" are not the same thing. The EOS3 was
claimed, at its release, to have water and dust seals the equivalent of

the
then outgoing 1n.


OK, I was not being exact enough about terminology. In any case, the camera
could not handle rain that I was easily handling without any rain gear. So
certainly not heavy rain. The worst symptoms it got in wet snow rain.

For the fun of it I will include the Very Official Canon answer:

Dear Mr. Malmqvist,

Thank you for your inquiry.

The EOS 3 is not designed to be used in rain or high humidity. The EOS
1v is our only water and dust resistant model.

Please note, Canon USA does not monitor, confirm, endorse, or attest to
the accuracy of any information posted on third party websites. It
seems many customers are overwhelmed by the barrage of information (or
misinformation) being posted on unregulated, non-Canon websites.
Unfortunately, this is not something over which Canon has any control.
We are able only to confirm the performance of the camera based on our
own testing.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions or
concerns.

Thank you for choosing Canon.

Sincerely,

Chris
Product Support Representative


Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Email Support Form Message
Product Type: EOS-3
Product Model:
IslandData Session:
INQUIRY: Hi,
Canon EOS 3 weather sealing: fact or fiction?
In the net everyone claims that sealing exists. Therefore I have used my
camera in high humidity and rain. However, corrosion have now eaten the
components for six months and damage is great. Repair 585e minimum. It
works, but battery expenses can be as large as film.
Canon service person claims there is next to nothing sealing in EOS 3.
He also says that officially there is no special sealing, has never
been. They say manual warns about weather, but I can not locate it now.
It would be interesting to know what is the truth. I have never before
seen such consistent disinformation in the net...
I have insurance, have not checked yet, but it probably will not cover
this, because no "accident" has happened. Sadly they probably do not
count ignorance and misinformation as accident.
Markus Malmqvist
Product Serial Number: 2732458
First Name: Markus
Last Name: Malmqvist


  #9  
Old August 28th 04, 04:27 PM
Skip M
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"Markus Malmqvist" wrote in message
...


"Well sealed" and "water tight" are not the same thing. The EOS3 was
claimed, at its release, to have water and dust seals the equivalent of

the
then outgoing 1n.


OK, I was not being exact enough about terminology. In any case, the

camera
could not handle rain that I was easily handling without any rain gear. So
certainly not heavy rain. The worst symptoms it got in wet snow rain.

For the fun of it I will include the Very Official Canon answer:

Dear Mr. Malmqvist,

Thank you for your inquiry.

The EOS 3 is not designed to be used in rain or high humidity. The EOS
1v is our only water and dust resistant model.

Please note, Canon USA does not monitor, confirm, endorse, or attest to
the accuracy of any information posted on third party websites. It
seems many customers are overwhelmed by the barrage of information (or
misinformation) being posted on unregulated, non-Canon websites.
Unfortunately, this is not something over which Canon has any control.
We are able only to confirm the performance of the camera based on our
own testing.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions or
concerns.

Thank you for choosing Canon.

Sincerely,

Chris
Product Support Representative


Original Message Follows:
-------------------------


That's an interesting dodge they gave you.
Needless to say, I don't have a brochure at hand for the 3 or for the 1n,
but I do remember the Canon lit saying that the 3 was as well sealed against
the elements as the 1n. Now, if the 1n was supposed to be sealed against
the elements, but the 1v is better, where does that leave the 3?

--
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http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com


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Old August 28th 04, 08:49 PM
Malcolm Stewart
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"Skip M" wrote in message
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"Markus Malmqvist" wrote in message
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Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

That's an interesting dodge they gave you.
Needless to say, I don't have a brochure at hand for the 3 or for the 1n,
but I do remember the Canon lit saying that the 3 was as well sealed

against
the elements as the 1n. Now, if the 1n was supposed to be sealed against
the elements, but the 1v is better, where does that leave the 3?


I've just checked my copies of the official Canon brochures for the EOS3,
EOS1V and 1n (unfortunately this latter is included in a general brochure).
There's no mention about weatherproofing in any of the "Specification"
sections. period

The 1V gets 4 pages devoted to body and weatherproofing with a photo of the
1V covered in raindrops.

There's a short paragraph stating that the
"EOS-3 has the same level of protection against dust and the elements as the
EOS-1N",
and it then details the shaft and seal design aspects.
Next para starts with " The EOS-3's electrical system, its lifeline, is also
protected from the elements with all the important electrical contacts being
bipolar and gold plated. Even if dust or grit causes problems for one
electrical contact, the camera can still continue to operate normally."

Despite the above, only my EOS3 (out of 7 EOS bodies over several years) has
required expensive servicing by Canon to rectify very poor battery life -
clearly an electrical fault! It's OK now.

EOS Magazine may be able to help with wording from the 1N brochure.




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M Stewart
Milton Keynes, UK
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