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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
Arguments over relative merits of DSLR vs P&S digicams
occupy a plurality of current traffic volume on r.p.d. In many ways it reminds me of the film vs digital debate of the last many years. DSLR partisans seem like the defenders of film, because they don't have a lot of firm evidence that their workflow is superior, except at high ISO or some arcane usage. I know DSLRs are selling well, but do these flame wars indicate the beginning of the end? |
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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
Bill Tuthill wrote:
Arguments over relative merits of DSLR vs P&S digicams occupy a plurality of current traffic volume on r.p.d. In many ways it reminds me of the film vs digital debate of the last many years. DSLR partisans seem like the defenders of film, because they don't have a lot of firm evidence that their workflow is superior, except at high ISO or some arcane usage. I know DSLRs are selling well, but do these flame wars indicate the beginning of the end? All it indicates is that most people are pigheaded idiots who can never stop long enough to take off their blinders. |
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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
Matt Ion wrote:
Bill Tuthill wrote: Arguments over relative merits of DSLR vs P&S digicams occupy a plurality of current traffic volume on r.p.d. In many ways it reminds me of the film vs digital debate of the last many years. DSLR partisans seem like the defenders of film, because they don't have a lot of firm evidence that their workflow is superior, except at high ISO or some arcane usage. P&S vs DSLR is not like film vs digital. In the final analysis digital beats film, period, no quibble, all else being equal (i.e not comparing an 8x10 inch film camera to an 8x10 mm P&S sensor). The P&S/DSLR flame wars can go on forever, because the performance properties of the two genres DO overlap, and, for equal money, will overlap a very large amount. Doug McDonald |
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Doug McDonald wrote:
Matt Ion wrote: Bill Tuthill wrote: Arguments over relative merits of DSLR vs P&S digicams occupy a plurality of current traffic volume on r.p.d. In many ways it reminds me of the film vs digital debate of the last many years. DSLR partisans seem like the defenders of film, because they don't have a lot of firm evidence that their workflow is superior, except at high ISO or some arcane usage. P&S vs DSLR is not like film vs digital. In the final analysis digital beats film, period, no quibble, all else being equal (i.e not comparing an 8x10 inch film camera to an 8x10 mm P&S sensor). The P&S/DSLR flame wars can go on forever, because the performance properties of the two genres DO overlap, and, for equal money, will overlap a very large amount. It's a ridiculous argument anyway. Cameras are nothing more than tools, and both "styles" (and everything in between) have their own place in the market. I love the flexibility I get with an SLR (digital or otherwise), but there are times I just find it too bulky and wish I had a good pocket camera. It's like arguing over whether a compact car is better than a dump truck... well... what are you planning to do with it? You can't haul five tons of gravel with a Mini, but just try parallel-parking a Mack truck downtown... |
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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
It's a ridiculous argument anyway. Cameras are nothing more than tools, and both "styles" (and everything in between) have their own place in the market. I love the flexibility I get with an SLR (digital or otherwise), but there are times I just find it too bulky and wish I had a good pocket camera. Me too. But I've been spoiled by the speed of the DSLR and the quality of the stuff from the it. I look at the output from the Canon G5 and it's good, but the focus lag is too much too bear. When I read of a compact that has the speed of a DSLR I may well get the wallet out. And when I can get a waist level finder (pivoting screen) on a (Canon because I have the lenses) DSLR, I will also get the wallet out. We are the lucky generation, we have a terrific choice of excellent gear. I'm off back to my computer made panoramas. John |
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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:40:26 -0000, "Eatmorepies"
wrote in : It's a ridiculous argument anyway. Cameras are nothing more than tools, and both "styles" (and everything in between) have their own place in the market. I love the flexibility I get with an SLR (digital or otherwise), but there are times I just find it too bulky and wish I had a good pocket camera. Me too. But I've been spoiled by the speed of the DSLR and the quality of the stuff from the it. I look at the output from the Canon G5 and it's good, but the focus lag is too much too bear. When I read of a compact that has the speed of a DSLR I may well get the wallet out. Try the latest bridge cameras from Panasonic, which have not only superb Leica lenses, but also near instantaneous shutter response. And when I can get a waist level finder (pivoting screen) on a (Canon because I have the lenses) DSLR, I will also get the wallet out. Panasonic DMC-FZ50 -- Best regards, John Navas Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others) |
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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
Bill Tuthill wrote:
Arguments over relative merits of DSLR vs P&S digicams occupy a plurality of current traffic volume on r.p.d. In many ways it reminds me of the film vs digital debate of the last many years. Except that most of the anti-DSLR stuff seems to be by one person with many names. DSLR partisans seem like the defenders of film, because they don't have a lot of firm evidence that their workflow is superior, except at high ISO or some arcane usage. I have no partisanship in the matter - I still use film. But I did feel it important to note that the claim that getting the same DOF in macro work on a large sensor as a small one results in greater diffraction problems with the large sensor is wrong. I know DSLRs are selling well, but do these flame wars indicate the beginning of the end? One person with many names does not actually constitute a mass movement. Peter. -- |
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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
What flame wars? What's to discuss? For some uses and needs you use one
tool. Other times, you use another tool. What controversy? What, exactly, do you see coming to an end? And why is the workflow an issue? Sorry, but this is a very odd post. "Bill Tuthill" wrote in message ... Arguments over relative merits of DSLR vs P&S digicams occupy a plurality of current traffic volume on r.p.d. In many ways it reminds me of the film vs digital debate of the last many years. DSLR partisans seem like the defenders of film, because they don't have a lot of firm evidence that their workflow is superior, except at high ISO or some arcane usage. I know DSLRs are selling well, but do these flame wars indicate the beginning of the end? |
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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
Kinon O'Cann wrote:
What flame wars? What's to discuss? For some uses and needs you use one tool. Other times, you use another tool. What controversy? What, exactly, do you see coming to an end? And why is the workflow an issue? Sorry, but this is a very odd post. It's just that the current-day DSLR is largely a relic of 35mm film. The bodies and lenses are larger and heavier than they need to be for the APS sensors inside (except Canon 5D, ??, and vapor Nikon D3). Olympus created a whole new lens system, but it is not significantly smaller than 35mm-based DSLRs, and Pentax makes a 35mm-compatible DSLR that is smaller and lighter than any Olympus. The recommended DSLR workflow seems like a huge chore, not a fun hobby, with RAW mode and the continual treadmill of Adobe software upgrades. So I'm wondering if the DSLR is a dead-end. In field use, I don't see any significant advantage in pictures produced by friends with a DSLR, versus friends with a pocket-size digicam. |
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DSLR vs P&S a replay of Film vs Digital?
"Bill Tuthill" wrote in message ... Kinon O'Cann wrote: What flame wars? What's to discuss? For some uses and needs you use one tool. Other times, you use another tool. What controversy? What, exactly, do you see coming to an end? And why is the workflow an issue? Sorry, but this is a very odd post. It's just that the current-day DSLR is largely a relic of 35mm film. The bodies and lenses are larger and heavier than they need to be for the APS sensors inside (except Canon 5D, ??, and vapor Nikon D3). Olympus created a whole new lens system, but it is not significantly smaller than 35mm-based DSLRs, and Pentax makes a 35mm-compatible DSLR that is smaller and lighter than any Olympus. The recommended DSLR workflow seems like a huge chore, not a fun hobby, with RAW mode and the continual treadmill of Adobe software upgrades. So I'm wondering if the DSLR is a dead-end. In field use, I don't see any significant advantage in pictures produced by friends with a DSLR, versus friends with a pocket-size digicam. If you are not seeing a difference then your friends are certainly waisting their money thats for sure because many photographers are getting stellar results using their better equipment. Oh yes and the small Pentaxes are not smaller than the small Olys like the 410/510. |
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