Leica MF S-System [37.5 Mpix]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09...um-format-lens

Update to the "S2" is simply "S" and now includes GPS.

$21,950.00

(Free datacard if you order 2).

--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.

On 18/09/2012 2:22 p.m., Alan Browne wrote:

Update to the "S2" is simply "S" and now includes GPS.

$21,950.00

I really admire the optimism that they try to impart by omitting the
model/version number - unless of course this will truly be the end of
the line, the last one forever, something to be displayed with pride and
handed down from father to son, long after tin whiskers and leaking
electrolyte have converted it into a doorstop.

On 2012-09-18, Alan Browne wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09...um-format-lens

Update to the "S2" is simply "S" and now includes GPS.

$21,950.00

(Free datacard if you order 2).

Oh boy. Medium format (albeit rather small, at 30x45mm), lenses with
movements and internal shutters, compatible with Hasselblad lenses, and
made by Leica. Now, where did I put that small fortune I had? Or was it
just a dream?

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

On 23/09/2012 1:53 p.m., RichA wrote:
On Sep 18, 8:44 am, Whiskers wrote:
On 2012-09-18, Alan Browne wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09...um-format-lens

Update to the "S2" is simply "S" and now includes GPS.

$21,950.00

(Free datacard if you order 2).

Oh boy. Medium format (albeit rather small, at 30x45mm), lenses with
movements and internal shutters, compatible with Hasselblad lenses, and
made by Leica. Now, where did I put that small fortune I had? Or was it
just a dream?


And no larger than a Nikon or Canon FF pro body.

Regardless of other qualities, it's not comparable to a modern "pro"
dslr body.
The feature set is comparable to an 8 year old Canon 20d, just larger
format, higher res, and faster sync speed.

On 9/23/2012 7:53 AM, Bruce wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Sep 18, 8:44 am, Whiskers wrote:
On 2012-09-18, Alan Browne wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09...um-format-lens

Update to the "S2" is simply "S" and now includes GPS.

$21,950.00

(Free datacard if you order 2).

Oh boy. Medium format (albeit rather small, at 30x45mm), lenses with
movements and internal shutters, compatible with Hasselblad lenses, and
made by Leica. Now, where did I put that small fortune I had? Or was it
just a dream?


And no larger than a Nikon or Canon FF pro body.


BUT ... lower pixel count than almost any medium format DSLR, the sole
exception being the 31 MP Kodak sensor that was made to suit an
entry-level market.

AND ... at 37.5 MP it is only 1.5 MP ahead of the sensor in the Nikon
D800[E] which has far better performance in low light.

WHICH ... would explain its very low sales, along with the fact that
Leica has not offered a seriously "professional" product line since
the 1980s and is therefore creating a new market.


Most of us only listen to the opinions of those we respect.
I have seen little respect for your opinion on anything. A salesman from
any company gives you some marketing materials, and you blow hot air
about having inside knowledge. With all my faults I would never want to
be you. Indeed I can't think of anyone here who has a scintilla of
respect for you.


--
Peter

Me wrote:
On 23/09/2012 1:53 p.m., RichA wrote:
On Sep 18, 8:44 am, Whiskers wrote:
On 2012-09-18, Alan Browne wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09...um-format-lens

Update to the "S2" is simply "S" and now includes GPS.

$21,950.00

(Free datacard if you order 2).

Oh boy. Medium format (albeit rather small, at 30x45mm), lenses with
movements and internal shutters, compatible with Hasselblad lenses, and
made by Leica. Now, where did I put that small fortune I had? Or was it
just a dream?

And no larger than a Nikon or Canon FF pro body.

Regardless of other qualities, it's not comparable to a modern "pro"
dslr body.
The feature set is comparable to an 8 year old Canon 20d, just larger
format, higher res, and faster sync speed.

The 20D is a fine camera. OK, the AF is a bit aged, there's no
100% viewfinder and no lifeview and no video, the LCD is not that
large, no microfocusadjust, no auto-ISO ...

.... and the sensor isn't as noise free as newer cameras, but
that's not important here. :-)

-Wolfgang

On 26/09/2012 8:21 p.m., RichA wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:50 am, Me wrote:
On 23/09/2012 1:53 p.m., RichA wrote:







On Sep 18, 8:44 am, Whiskers wrote:
On 2012-09-18, Alan Browne wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09...um-format-lens

Update to the "S2" is simply "S" and now includes GPS.

$21,950.00

(Free datacard if you order 2).

Oh boy. Medium format (albeit rather small, at 30x45mm), lenses with
movements and internal shutters, compatible with Hasselblad lenses, and
made by Leica. Now, where did I put that small fortune I had? Or was it
just a dream?

And no larger than a Nikon or Canon FF pro body.

Regardless of other qualities, it's not comparable to a modern "pro"
dslr body.
The feature set is comparable to an 8 year old Canon 20d, just larger
format, higher res, and faster sync speed.

Not the image quality though.

Yeah - but quality of image and image quality aren't the same thing,
most makers have allowed for easier capture of a quality image as well
as better image quality on average, but Leica seem to be stuck in the past.
I'm sure the "S" is technically capable of producing some fine images,
but with the number they'll sell, divided by the number of users who can
use the thing to any advantage over a $100 K Mart camera, I doubt we'll
be seeing many examples of the elusive "quality image".

On 2012-09-26, Bruce wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:50Â*am, Me wrote:
Regardless of other qualities, it's not comparable to a modern "pro"
dslr body.
The feature set is comparable to an 8 year old Canon 20d, just larger
format, higher res, and faster sync speed.

Not the image quality though.


Nor the feature set. The Leica S2 was almost minimalist in terms of
its feature set, and that was one of its strongest selling points.

Most working photographers want little or nothing to do with the
comprehensive feature sets so beloved of amateur enthusiasts. The
vast majority of those features just get in the way.

Here Here!

I still haven't found digital replacements for the "proper" 35mm 'compacts'
such as the Rollei 35 and Minox 35 and suchlike. I suspect the latest
Leica M digital camera may be worthy of consideration as a true digital
equivalent to my beloved M3 and M6 - almost.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

On 2012-09-27, Bruce wrote:
Whiskers wrote:
On 2012-09-26, Bruce wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:50Â*am, Me wrote:
Regardless of other qualities, it's not comparable to a modern "pro"
dslr body.
The feature set is comparable to an 8 year old Canon 20d, just larger
format, higher res, and faster sync speed.

Not the image quality though.


Nor the feature set. The Leica S2 was almost minimalist in terms of
its feature set, and that was one of its strongest selling points.

Most working photographers want little or nothing to do with the
comprehensive feature sets so beloved of amateur enthusiasts. The
vast majority of those features just get in the way.

Here Here!

I still haven't found digital replacements for the "proper" 35mm 'compacts'
such as the Rollei 35 and Minox 35 and suchlike.


Sony has just released its RX1 model which has the same full frame
24 MP sensor as the Sony A99 and Nikon D600. It has a fixed Carl
Zeiss 35mm f/2 lens. So it's about the nearest thing in digital
compacts to the 1970s/80s rangefinder cameras like the Canon GIII and
Yashica Electro 35 GT/GS.

http://tinyurl.com/8qjjdfl

Only problem is the price: $2800.

Yes, the signs are optimistic, but ...

I suspect the latest
Leica M digital camera may be worthy of consideration as a true digital
equivalent to my beloved M3 and M6 - almost.


I have been using the M9/M9-P for over a year and am happy. I started
with an M9 then found a used M9-P at a good price, so I bought it and
sold the M9. However, the CCD sensor has its limitations. These seem
to have been fully addressed in the new Leica M, but I will wait for
comprehensive tests before I buy one.

Fuji have some nice 'Leica-like' models at less exalted prices, including
at least one fixed-prime-lens camera that comes close to the Rollei 35 -
apart from being a lot bigger and rather expensive. Minox have shown
promise with their "Digital Classics", which are certainly in the right
sort of size range but seem rather gimmicky and fussy, and the "Digital Spy
Camera" is interesting, but the sensors are small, and there's no RAW mode,
and the manual controls are limited.Something in between would be very
interesting.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

On 27/09/2012 8:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
Whiskers wrote:
On 2012-09-26, Bruce wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:50 am, Me wrote:
Regardless of other qualities, it's not comparable to a modern "pro"
dslr body.
The feature set is comparable to an 8 year old Canon 20d, just larger
format, higher res, and faster sync speed.

Not the image quality though.


Nor the feature set. The Leica S2 was almost minimalist in terms of
its feature set, and that was one of its strongest selling points.

Most working photographers want little or nothing to do with the
comprehensive feature sets so beloved of amateur enthusiasts. The
vast majority of those features just get in the way.

Here Here!

I still haven't found digital replacements for the "proper" 35mm 'compacts'
such as the Rollei 35 and Minox 35 and suchlike.


Sony has just released its RX1 model which has the same full frame
24 MP sensor as the Sony A99 and Nikon D600. It has a fixed Carl
Zeiss 35mm f/2 lens. So it's about the nearest thing in digital
compacts to the 1970s/80s rangefinder cameras like the Canon GIII and
Yashica Electro 35 GT/GS.

http://tinyurl.com/8qjjdfl

Only problem is the price: $2800.


I suspect the latest
Leica M digital camera may be worthy of consideration as a true digital
equivalent to my beloved M3 and M6 - almost.


I have been using the M9/M9-P for over a year and am happy. I started
with an M9 then found a used M9-P at a good price, so I bought it and
sold the M9. However, the CCD sensor has its limitations. These seem
to have been fully addressed in the new Leica M, but I will wait for
comprehensive tests before I buy one.




Who manufactures the sensor? suspect Sony who make the D800 sensor.