The sickening reality of high ISO on a P&S

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:51:11 -0600, TruthBeTold
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:58:14 -0500, Stephen Bishop wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:08:00 -0800, SMS
wrote:

Stephen Bishop wrote:

And if the word "Christmas" offends anyone, too bad. Jesus is the
reason for the season. Deal with it! :-)

It doesn't bug people, it amuses them. Jesus has nothing to do with the
season. Jesus was born in the Spring or Summer. People complain about
the commercialization of Christmas when in reality that's the only part
that makes any sense.

I don't think anyone believes Jesus was born on December 25th. But for
various historical reasons that what has been chosen to celebrate the
event since nobody knows the exact date. There is a reason it is
called CHRIST-mas, after all. Otherwise it would just be a very
expensive way to note the passing of the winter solstice.


The origin of the christmas tree is when christians cut down the live decorated
trees that your Pagan ancestors had outside. They couldn't burn them so they hid
them in their homes, then invented the "christmas" holiday to try to explain
this destruction of their neighbors' property to their children and cover up
their vandalism. christians = destructive lying thieves, still being proven to
this very day when they reenact this event in their homes every Winter Solstice.
As recorded by Charlemagne, "And they cut down the mighty pagan tree, and up
sprang the birth of our christ."

Their virgin mary was just a name they carved over the name of Isis on her
statues. The virgin birth was stolen from a more ancient Pagan Roman legend. The
"resurrection" was a *******ization of the holiday of Eostre, the Pagan Goddess
of spring, to celebrate the resurrection of life in a northern climate, a
holiday over 3500 years old. No mother, no birth, no resurrection = no christ.

As your credibility in other things has consistently been proven to be
just a few degrees north of absolute zero, your conclusions regarding
this subject deserve the same level of curious humor.




But besides that:




Dear R

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:30:39 -0800, John Navas
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:08:00 -0800, SMS
wrote in :

Stephen Bishop wrote:

And if the word "Christmas" offends anyone, too bad. Jesus is the
reason for the season. Deal with it! :-)

The season actually came from pagan rituals, as can be seen in the
history of Santa Claus, decorated trees, etc. Christians just jumped on
the bandwagon.

Not jumped on the bandwagon, per se, but the Church at the time did
adopt some of those customs in an attempt to divert attention from
those pagan celebrations to those of honoring the birth of Christ. The
same thing is true of Easter. (Although the Church does not
celebrate that holiday with bunny rabbits any more than they actually
celebrate Christmas with Santa Claus.)

Even today, efforts to acknowledge the holiday with manger scenes and
religious music is resisted by modern-day pagans as an attempt to
hijack "their" holiday. The difference today is that the prevailing
pagan god is money.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:23:24 -0600, TrollKillers
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:16:27 +1000, Mark Thomas
wrote:

L.Vicks (aka Keoeeit/anti-dslr-troll/Vern/X-Man/Baumbadier/Casiobear) wrote:
Their virgin mary was just a name they carved over the name of Isis on her
statues. The virgin birth was stolen from a more ancient Pagan Roman legend. The
"resurrection" was a *******ization of the holiday of Eostre, the Pagan Goddess
of spring, to celebrate the resurrection of life in a northern climate, a
holiday over 3500 years old. No mother, no birth, no resurrection = no christ.

But besides that:
(snip)

Just FTR, our troll keeps denying he is 'Keoeeit' and that he hasn't
been banned from forums, and yet.....

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...=299200&page=4

Snap.

LOL!!! Where do you think I copied it from?

Gawd are you a ****ing idiot!

LOL!!!!!

Thanks for the Solstice Laugh! At your expense too! LOL!!!!!!!

And yet the troll otherwise known as keoeet has still consistently
been proven wrong and banned from every forum that he's "participated"
in. But he/it still thinks that he/it gets laughs at the expense
of others who are not worthy of his intellect. The sad thing is
that someone with his intelligence keeps missing the obvious truth
that the joke is always on him.

Stephen Bishop added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:29:16 -0600, Erin J. R.
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:41:03 -0500, Stephen Bishop
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:47:22 -0800, John Navas
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:01:40 -0600, "HEMI-Powered"
wrote in
:

David, I'd rather not get involved in parts of this debate
but what seems to be happening is some disagreement over the
interpretation of one or two specific images that John is
somehow translating into the perception that his choice of
camera type is being attacked. Of course, it is not as best I
can see. Quality is quality is quality, and not is not is
not. Since I have no skin in the game, I'm not going to
further engage.

With all due respect, Jerry, there's a world of difference
between a fair and balanced critique, and focusing on just
negative issues, real and imagined. Worse, this wasn't about
images I posted, it was about bashing of an image dredged up
from my website by someone looking for a bad image to put
down, and after I had explained the image was not
representative of the camera. This was then compounded by
posting a good image claimed to be comparable (on only
superficial grounds). If it's not an "attack", then it's at
least an unfair putdown that strongly suggests bias.

Regardless of your mistaken impression of the motives of
others, it is only a comparison of cameras... NOT you or your
ability. Why do you keep making it to be so?

Many of your pictures do in fact demonstrate a keen eye for
photography. It's just that you could be doing a much better
job at it with a better camera.

You've been told before that the images in question were taken
AT RANDOM from your website. They were NOT chosen to be the
worst possible example in order to put you down. There were
many worse images there to choose from if the goal was just to
be nit picking. (Again, that refers to the CAMERA, not to you.)

And the same comments have applied toward some of the images
that you specifically chose as examples.


When I shoot an event, I often do a lot of snaps for
competitors, and because of limited time between the event and
post-event socializing, put them through a crude automated
correction and compression that results in a pleasing
screen/slide-show image, but that degrades the image at the
pixel level. Thus these images are not representative of the
camera, and using them to put it down is unfair bashing.


But don't you see, this just further illustrates the point.
Images from a better camera simply don't need the same level of
post processing correction to make them look acceptable.


Self-evident. You've just proved that DSLR's are not the better
camera.

Instead of using the lower quality of DSLR gear where you must
resort to tedious editing of the RAW data to get any image worth
using out of it, you can very often use the properly produced
JPG file right from the P&S camera.

By your own comment you have just proved that P&S cameras are
better than any DSLR, otherwise you wouldn't need your camera to
produce RAW files.

Get your dslr-troll-schtick worked out. You ****ed-up royally on
this one.

It's amazing how you can so consistently stand on your head and
then claim that the rest of the world is upside-down.

We're still waiting for those pictures of yours that are so in
demand as the professional you claim yourself to be.

It's hard to believe that one twit can engender so much smoke on an
issue of no possible consequence to anyone. I mean, even if there
were any relavent issues to the P & S vs DSLR argument, which there
are not, why would either side think they could convince the other?
Instead, all that is happening is that otherwise normal,
reasonable, logical people have allowed themselves to be caught up
in a silly argument which not only has no merits whatsoever but
worse, has yours and many other people's blood pressure up. And,
the OP who started all this nonsense must be trully laughing their
ass off at all the attention they're getting. A bigger bunch of
buffoons is hard to imagine!

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Accuracy is the degree a measurement meets a known or true value
while precision is the degree of reproducibility in the measurement
itself" - Mathematical definition

Stephen Bishop added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

You can argue that a Ford Escort is just as fast as a Corvette,
and you can argue that a P&S is just as good as an SLR, but the
truth will still be that a bigger engine makes for a faster car
and a bigger sensor makes for better image capture.

Fatally flawed analogy that's typical of compact camera
denigration by dSLR fans. You must feel very threatened by
them.

John, why do you have such a fixation on the idea that dslr fans
are "threatened" by your camera? That's utter nonsense.

Face the facts, a larger sensor yields better image quality,
period. Perhaps you are the one who feels so threatened that you
can't come to grips with that simple truth?

Stephen, thinking, intelligent, logical people everywhere would
clearly listen to and believe your thesis, but you aren't dealing
with such a person, hence I doubt that no matter how well written
you will lose and no matter how strident you get you will be
defeated. The only thing to do is to suck if up, let the OP "win"
and let this thread finally dry up and die. What other possible
course is there when dealing with someone so obviously devoide of
logical creative thought processes?

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Accuracy is the degree a measurement meets a known or true value
while precision is the degree of reproducibility in the measurement
itself" - Mathematical definition

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:09:47 -0600, "HEMI-Powered" wrote
in :

Stephen Bishop added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Stephen, thinking, intelligent, logical people everywhere would
clearly listen to and believe your thesis, but you aren't dealing
with such a person, hence I doubt that no matter how well written
you will lose and no matter how strident you get you will be
defeated.

The flaw in that thinking is that Stephen is one of the prime offenders.

The only thing to do is to suck if up, let the OP "win"
and let this thread finally dry up and die.

Then why don't you? Seriously. Instead of the rants you've posted.

What other possible
course is there when dealing with someone so obviously devoide of
logical creative thought processes?

Name calling only discredits yourself.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:05:20 -0600, "HEMI-Powered" wrote
in :

It's hard to believe that one twit can engender so much smoke on an
issue of no possible consequence to anyone. I mean, even if there
were any relavent issues to the P & S vs DSLR argument, which there
are not, why would either side think they could convince the other?
Instead, all that is happening is that otherwise normal,
reasonable, logical people have allowed themselves to be caught up
in a silly argument which not only has no merits whatsoever but
worse, has yours and many other people's blood pressure up. And,
the OP who started all this nonsense must be trully laughing their
ass off at all the attention they're getting. A bigger bunch of
buffoons is hard to imagine!

You're talking about your own behavior.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

HEMI-Powered added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...


It's hard to believe that one twit can engender so much smoke on
an issue of no possible consequence to anyone. I mean, even if
there were any relavent issues to the P & S vs DSLR argument,
which there are not, why would either side think they could
convince the other? Instead, all that is happening is that
otherwise normal, reasonable, logical people have allowed
themselves to be caught up in a silly argument which not only
has no merits whatsoever but worse, has yours and many other
people's blood pressure up. And, the OP who started all this
nonsense must be trully laughing their ass off at all the
attention they're getting. A bigger bunch of buffoons is hard to
imagine!

First, learn how to snip. Then, you can start by apologizing to me,
David Taylor and everyone else you savaged with your vile comments.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Accuracy is the degree a measurement meets a known or true value
while precision is the degree of reproducibility in the measurement
itself" - Mathematical definition

John Navas added these comments in the current discussion du jour
....

Then why don't you? Seriously. Instead of the rants you've
posted.

What other possible
course is there when dealing with someone so obviously devoide
of logical creative thought processes?

Name calling only discredits yourself.

You fool, you're talking to a sporger!

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Accuracy is the degree a measurement meets a known or true value
while precision is the degree of reproducibility in the measurement
itself" - Mathematical definition

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:25:14 -0600, "HEMI-Powered" wrote
in :

HEMI-Powered added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...


It's hard to believe that one twit can engender so much smoke on
an issue of no possible consequence to anyone. I mean, even if
there were any relavent issues to the P & S vs DSLR argument,
which there are not, why would either side think they could
convince the other? Instead, all that is happening is that
otherwise normal, reasonable, logical people have allowed
themselves to be caught up in a silly argument which not only
has no merits whatsoever but worse, has yours and many other
people's blood pressure up. And, the OP who started all this
nonsense must be trully laughing their ass off at all the
attention they're getting. A bigger bunch of buffoons is hard to
imagine!

First, learn how to snip. Then, you can start by apologizing to me,
David Taylor and everyone else you savaged with your vile comments.

Pot ... kettle ...

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John