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What exposure mode do you shoot in.
John P Sheehy writes ...
I shoot wildlife at ISO 1600, and still get heavy under-exposure with the lens wide-open in Tv mode, set to the slowest hand-holdable shutter speed, even with IS I took around 12,000 images of wildlife last year and probably 11,900 were shot at ISO 200-320 with just a few at 800, typically birds in flight late in the day. Never at 1600. Can you show us some of the types of shots you take where 1600 is required? How slow is your lens? Had I set the camera to Av mode, I would have unusably blurred images. I don't understand this comment. "with the lens wide-open in Tv mode" gives you the same exposure as using Av mode with the lens set wide open. You must shoot wildlife in bright light They certainly look better in good light, but even in low contrast overcast light (like say five days of rain in Alaska photographing brown bears) I never felt I needed ISO 1600. Bill |
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What exposure mode do you shoot in.
What do you mean, you don't use a mode? Manual?
Manual will lose a lot of action shots. Ever track an animal moving into the shade? You may only have a fraction of a second to get a particular action shot. Manual is too slow for action. Roger Manual might not be as fast as "program" shooting but it would or rather could be more accurate. I can adjust a stop if I feel I need it as a critter walks into the shade and I can do it in a hurry. I have had the same cameras hanging around my neck for years and decades and we have a good relationship. What do you think photographers did before "modes" and "programs" and auto focus? And they took some mighty fine photos. I guess, I do what works for me and has worked for 25 years. F1 -- Message posted via PhotoKB.com http://www.photokb.com/Uwe/Forums.as...ature/200512/1 |
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What exposure mode do you shoot in.
In message 587d17a8f6ad0@uwe,
"Canon F1 via PhotoKB.com" u15199@uwe wrote: Manual might not be as fast as "program" shooting but it would or rather could be more accurate. I can adjust a stop if I feel I need it as a critter walks into the shade and I can do it in a hurry. I can adjust a stop of EC if the light balance in the image changes, too. Really, though, you replied to me when I was writing in a context of insufficient light, where there was always too little light for a proper exposure at ISO 1600. I mentioned this as a situation in which Av mode is fairly useless, and Tv is better. I did not say that manual couldn't be better in some circumstances. I use manual frequently, when the lighting is constant. I was out in the snow the other day, under an over-cast sky and I had the camera set to manual, and made fine adjustments as it got closer to dusk. The sky and the ground were nearly identical in intensity that day. No matter how much of the scene was the lake's surface; no matter how much was sky, snow, or tree bark, all the exposures were the same; the sky was just shy of clipping the RAW data. I have had the same cameras hanging around my neck for years and decades and we have a good relationship. What do you think photographers did before "modes" and "programs" and auto focus? And they took some mighty fine photos. Yes, but who knows how many "mighty finer" pictures they could have taken with different approaches or different equipment! I guess, I do what works for me and has worked for 25 years. There is almost always a better way. -- John P Sheehy |
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What exposure mode do you shoot in.
In message .com,
"Bill Hilton" wrote: John P Sheehy writes ... I shoot wildlife at ISO 1600, and still get heavy under-exposure with the lens wide-open in Tv mode, set to the slowest hand-holdable shutter speed, even with IS I took around 12,000 images of wildlife last year and probably 11,900 were shot at ISO 200-320 with just a few at 800, typically birds in flight late in the day. Never at 1600. Can you show us some of the types of shots you take where 1600 is required? How slow is your lens? Slow enough that I need to shoot at 1600. You don't trust me? Had I set the camera to Av mode, I would have unusably blurred images. I don't understand this comment. "with the lens wide-open in Tv mode" gives you the same exposure as using Av mode with the lens set wide open. I was writing about situations in which ISO 1600 still results in under-exposure. Av Mode, in such cases, will result in blur. Tv mode will result in some under-exposure. Manual mode will result in either, depending upon your settings. You must shoot wildlife in bright light They certainly look better in good light, but even in low contrast overcast light (like say five days of rain in Alaska photographing brown bears) I never felt I needed ISO 1600. That's because you decided to do wildlife photography in relatively high light. When I do that, I am more likely to do Av or manual. -- John P Sheehy |
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What exposure mode do you shoot in.
Canon F1 via PhotoKB.com wrote:
Manual might not be as fast as "program" shooting but it would or rather could be more accurate. I can adjust a stop if I feel I need it as a critter walks into the shade and I can do it in a hurry. All the canon cameras I use (dslrs as well as 35mm film) have exposure compensation dials, so it is a small fraction of a second to do compensation in aperture and shutter priority modes. So you have complete control of the system. For example, in aperture priority mode. you choose the aperture, the camera reads the light and sets the shutter, and you can over ride with the exposure compensation dial--all in a fraction of a second. In many situations, in my experience, you can dial in compensation, e.g. meter -1/3 stop, and that will work even as light conditions change, thus you concentrate on the subject, not on your meter. Example: fading light near sunset: the subject and exposure compensation is constant, but light is dropping. In manual mode, you would need to constantly adjust exposure, but in aperture priority mode, you just shoot as desired. In my experience this situation is more common than the need to use manual mode. I do use manual mode, but perhaps only 10% of the time. I have had the same cameras hanging around my neck for years and decades and we have a good relationship. What do you think photographers did before "modes" and "programs" and auto focus? And they took some mighty fine photos. I guess, I do what works for me and has worked for 25 years. Yes. My 25-year old cameras don't meter very well compared to modern cameras. Even my 15-year old cameras don't. Modern systems are very impressive. Roger |
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What exposure mode do you shoot in.
Norm Dresner wrote:
Most of the later Nikon's (N75, N90, F100, D50, D70) have a program-mode which can be varied with the "command dial" to any equivalent exposure just by twirling it. I spend most of the time in P-mode but look at every exposure and modify it as necessary. I find that most of the time I can't stay in either S- or A-modes because the things I'm shooting are so varied. Norm Norm, I do not understand. In aperture or shutter priority modes, one has complete control of the settings: you choose the exact aperture or shutter, and the camera choose the other. You then use the compensation dial to modify the cameras "best exposure." In P mode, the camera chooses the aperture and shutter based on some pre-programmed table. You have compensation control, but only over a very narrow range compared to all apertures and shutter speeds, and the compensation modifies both aperture and shutter according to a formula for which you do not have control. So aperture or shutter priority modes have the most flexibility, unequaled by any other mode, and only surpassed by full manual. At least this is the way it is on canon film and dslrs. Roger |
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What exposure mode do you shoot in.
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:
Yes. My 25-year old cameras don't meter very well compared to modern cameras. Even my 15-year old cameras don't. Modern systems are very impressive. Roger That is debatable. F1 -- Message posted via PhotoKB.com http://www.photokb.com/Uwe/Forums.as...ature/200512/1 |
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What exposure mode do you shoot in.
In message 58812917e60c0@uwe,
"Canon F1 via PhotoKB.com" u15199@uwe wrote: wrote: Look at my user name: Canon F1. Hi, Canon F1. This is the kind of equipment I use and have used for years. I like it that way and I really don't have a choice but to shoot in "manual" as my camera knows no other "mode". I am just saying I have never felt handicapped in anyway or at any time shooting manual. However, you did imply that people are handicapped using "modes". I have an Elan IIE that still gets shot in manual mode when I do use it as it is habit and I find it better and more trustworthy than any programable mode. My old Canon A 1 is programable as any digital camera today other than it is manual focus and still I shoot it manual. I beleive in freedom to shoot photos as one likes. Me too. I just shoot the old equipment and I get great results. It is my way. That's nice. I am not a pro photographer but I wonder what that really means. "Pro" means, to me, an occupation, with some time in. It tells me nothing about a person's specific knowledge or skills, just that they probably have a good working subset. I sell some photos locally on the side. Please don't tell me there is a better way or my photos are less. You're reading connotations into my statements that are not intended. I was not demeaning your work. You could be one of the most interesting photographers in the world, and still have relatively counter-productive attitudes or methods. There is always room for improvement, as there is no ceiling. If I get my web site up and running, you can look for yourself. I won't see all the shots that were never taken, though, because you didn't have time to adjust the settings, or because your film wasn't sensitive enough. You always see the edited story of other people's photography. Because someone has a substantial body of good work, it does *not* mean that this happened *because* of their specific methods or philosophies (although it may be an influence in exactly what their output specifically is). -- John P Sheehy |
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However, you did imply that people are handicapped using "modes". No, I guess, I am a bit on the defense as of late as many seem to attack film and my old manual equipment, in forums and in the local photo crowds I hang around. I argue that I am not handicapped and even beleive I am not possibly misled by shooting in program or mode. There is always room for improvement, as there is no ceiling. True, however as a photo hobbiest, I remain "uninspired" by the newest technology. I won't see all the shots that were never taken, though, because you didn't have time to adjust the settings, or because your film wasn't sensitive enough. Yes but what you will see is right from the scanner, unaltered or otherwise enhanced. One of the selling points I have and my clients, modest crowd that they are, love the fact that I shoot film and the enlarged print is wet finished and unaltered. Thx for all the posts, I suppose I might get a bit ornery at times. I mean not to attack and I apologize for my behavior but it seems that the newest and greatest technologies, seem to make people forget the basics and I think that is a mistake. F1 -- Message posted via PhotoKB.com http://www.photokb.com/Uwe/Forums.as...ature/200512/1 |
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