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Kodak on Variable Film Development: NO!
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Frank Pittel wrote: In any case the improvements I got in both the print-ability of my negatives and the improvement I got in my prints after starting to use the zone system is enough of a reason for me to continue using the zone system. The reversal of Kodak's position on the matter simply reinforces my position. Seeing is believing. -- To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the measure of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the measure of skill. Sun Tzu |
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Kodak on Variable Film Development: NO!
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Frank Pittel wrote: In any case the improvements I got in both the print-ability of my negatives and the improvement I got in my prints after starting to use the zone system is enough of a reason for me to continue using the zone system. The reversal of Kodak's position on the matter simply reinforces my position. Seeing is believing. -- To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the measure of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the measure of skill. Sun Tzu |
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Kodak on Variable Film Development: NO!
Paul Atreides wrote:
: In article , : Frank Pittel wrote: : : In any case the improvements I got in both the print-ability of my negatives : and the improvement I got in my prints after starting to use the zone system is : enough of a reason for me to continue using the zone system. The reversal of Kodak's : position on the matter simply reinforces my position. : Seeing is believing. Along the same lines getting the results you're after is the most important thing. While my opinion of the images scarpitti has made available online are well known. He is happy with the results he gets and that's more important then the method, film, developer he uses to get it. At the same time I am happy with the results I get and will continue doing what I do until I find something that gives me results that I prefer. Alas since the bandwidth limitations of my web servers and the size of the scans of my 4x5 combined with my lack of a scanner capable of doing them justice prevents me from putting my work online. I've considered reducing the size of the scans of my prints but since I primarily use LF for the detail and tonality it affords I don't feel that a size practical for posting online would do them justice. I am a member of a LF group here in the midwest we have a website at: www.midwestlargeformat.com. There is also a mailing list for the group. Send me an email and I will be happy to add anyone that is interested. Unlike the flame wars here on the Usenet there is limited tolerance to flame wars and personal insults are not tolerated. We also have monthly outings on the 3rd weekend of each month and all are welcome. An important part of each group outing is what we refer to as a "print exchange". This is were members of the group bring images that they made to pass around to others in the group. If you ever plan on being in the midwest during one of our outings I encourage you to attend our outings. In any case I encourage everyone to consider subscribing to the mailing list. The traffic is very low and the amount of photographic know how is amazing!! -- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- |
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Kodak on Variable Film Development: NO!
Paul Atreides wrote:
: In article , : Frank Pittel wrote: : : In any case the improvements I got in both the print-ability of my negatives : and the improvement I got in my prints after starting to use the zone system is : enough of a reason for me to continue using the zone system. The reversal of Kodak's : position on the matter simply reinforces my position. : Seeing is believing. Along the same lines getting the results you're after is the most important thing. While my opinion of the images scarpitti has made available online are well known. He is happy with the results he gets and that's more important then the method, film, developer he uses to get it. At the same time I am happy with the results I get and will continue doing what I do until I find something that gives me results that I prefer. Alas since the bandwidth limitations of my web servers and the size of the scans of my 4x5 combined with my lack of a scanner capable of doing them justice prevents me from putting my work online. I've considered reducing the size of the scans of my prints but since I primarily use LF for the detail and tonality it affords I don't feel that a size practical for posting online would do them justice. I am a member of a LF group here in the midwest we have a website at: www.midwestlargeformat.com. There is also a mailing list for the group. Send me an email and I will be happy to add anyone that is interested. Unlike the flame wars here on the Usenet there is limited tolerance to flame wars and personal insults are not tolerated. We also have monthly outings on the 3rd weekend of each month and all are welcome. An important part of each group outing is what we refer to as a "print exchange". This is were members of the group bring images that they made to pass around to others in the group. If you ever plan on being in the midwest during one of our outings I encourage you to attend our outings. In any case I encourage everyone to consider subscribing to the mailing list. The traffic is very low and the amount of photographic know how is amazing!! -- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- |
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Kodak on Variable Film Development: NO!
"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message om... Frank Pittel wrote in message ... Interestingly enough I can't seem to find this book for sale. The only refernece I can find is to a long out of print book from 1952. It's clear from reading new publications from Kodak that they have come to see the light. No, perhaps those who knew what the hell they were talking about retired or died, dumbass.... Look - Both of You! Veracity in the commercial domain is not the peer-reviewed constant it is (when at its best) in the scientific domain. Kodak is certainly not excempt from suspicion in their current technical proclaims. Get over it. A generation or two has passed through the veil we knew as their true nature. Kodak can be as full of **** as anyone. They have adopted a marketing agenda in place of their once default-superior place in the field. BE SKEPTICAL OF EVERYTHING! What does it profit Kodak to offer bad advice? Why would Kodak spend the time and money they did to conduct these studies, asking observers to evaluate the images made with variable film development and constant film development? Kodak's interest is in helping photographers to get the best results possible, and they spent tons of money on that effort. This book dates from 1956. I would be much more inclined to trust Kodak's pronouncements from this era than from their more recent publications, since they have cut so much from research funding. |
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Kodak on Variable Film Development: NO!
"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message om... Frank Pittel wrote in message ... Interestingly enough I can't seem to find this book for sale. The only refernece I can find is to a long out of print book from 1952. It's clear from reading new publications from Kodak that they have come to see the light. No, perhaps those who knew what the hell they were talking about retired or died, dumbass.... Look - Both of You! Veracity in the commercial domain is not the peer-reviewed constant it is (when at its best) in the scientific domain. Kodak is certainly not excempt from suspicion in their current technical proclaims. Get over it. A generation or two has passed through the veil we knew as their true nature. Kodak can be as full of **** as anyone. They have adopted a marketing agenda in place of their once default-superior place in the field. BE SKEPTICAL OF EVERYTHING! What does it profit Kodak to offer bad advice? Why would Kodak spend the time and money they did to conduct these studies, asking observers to evaluate the images made with variable film development and constant film development? Kodak's interest is in helping photographers to get the best results possible, and they spent tons of money on that effort. This book dates from 1956. I would be much more inclined to trust Kodak's pronouncements from this era than from their more recent publications, since they have cut so much from research funding. |
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Kodak on Variable Film Development: NO!
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message om... "Jim Phelps" wrote in message ... Address the goddamn post, asshole! Mike, You troll. You want me to address the post? However, the first sentence says why I should not. An asshole, I think not. However, you are in need of some deep, inner self review. Either that or you should pound sand in your blissful state of mind. Quote something recent if you would, please. Film technology has advanced, unlike you. Even my Kodak Darkroom Dataguide, 5th Edition, First 1976 Printing states in the discussion on the Developing Dial (last paragraph): "This method gives the user a way of incorporating adjustments for the contrast-controlling factors into his working procedures." Seems to me that Kodak in this edition of the DDg acknowledges the use of time for the controlling of contrast depending upon the users desires. Never mind the selection of the developer itself. And that's what the Zone System is about (to a degree, but there's so much more to the ZS). No, I do not want to be ignorant, but will in the same sentence admit there are things I am ignorant about. Like how to design Rockets. But then, I've never had a need to learn. Why don't you open that shut mind of yours and stop being so "Blissful". Now, who's an asshole, Mikey? If we took a vote, I guess I'd lose... Jim P [but you know my last name don't you] |
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