CANON - The Great Pretender

"nikonpro" wrote in message
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CANON - The Great Pretender

Wow! I could have swore someone dug up a four-year-old Usenet thread from
Google and reposted it.

I'd pick apart your post for old times' sake if I could be bothered... but
life's too short, no?

--
Martin Francis http://www.sixbysix.co.uk
"Go not to Usenet for counsel, for it will say both no, and yes, and
no, and yes...."

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:44:25 +0000 (UTC), "Martin Francis"
wrote:

"nikonpro" wrote in message
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CANON - The Great Pretender

Wow! I could have swore someone dug up a four-year-old Usenet thread from
Google and reposted it.

I'd pick apart your post for old times' sake if I could be bothered... but
life's too short, no?

In all honesty I haven't seen that previous post, not difficult as I
haven't been posting for 4 months never mind 4 years.

And my post quotes facts not fiction!

PeAcE

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:44:25 +0000 (UTC), "Martin Francis"
wrote:

"nikonpro" wrote in message
.. .
CANON - The Great Pretender

Wow! I could have swore someone dug up a four-year-old Usenet thread from
Google and reposted it.

I'd pick apart your post for old times' sake if I could be bothered... but
life's too short, no?

In all honesty I haven't seen that previous post, not difficult as I
haven't been posting for 4 months never mind 4 years.

And my post quotes facts not fiction!

PeAcE

"Drazen Stojcic / BUNTOVNIK" wrote in message

SNIP
I'm sure that this old lens bayounet is the rock around Nikon's neck,
because construction issues are making it extremely difficult for Nikon to
make a full-frame digital SLR.
SNIP

Perhaps you aren't aware that full frame (24x36mm) digital cameras
were available for several years prior to the announcement of the
Canon 1Ds? There is nothing inferior about the Nikon F-mount relative
to the Canon EOS mount in terms of developing full frame cameras.

Brian
www.caldwellphotographic.com

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:25:41 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr
wrote:

"Drazen Stojcic / BUNTOVNIK" writes:
But, let's just leave the numbers aside for a second. What I see in
the digital SLR race is very simple. You older users seem to think
it's your natural right to use 30 year old lenses on the latest
digital body, and will screem and fight when Nikon finally let's go
of it's too old lens mount.

Nonsense.

I one of those "older users" (bought my first Nikon, a F2, around
1972), and it sure is fun to still be able use those 30 year old++
manual lenses on the D70. But /if/ Nikon scrapped the F-mount, it
would be just be an incentive for me to buy some more up-to-date
gear with AF and VR, etc.

And I'm sure that this old lens bayounet is the rock around Nikon's
neck, because construction issues are making it extremely difficult
for Nikon to make a full-frame digital SLR.

At least, get your facts straight. Kodak already makes a full frame
DSLR with the Nikon mount (the 14 Mpx Kodak DCS 14n). Why shouldn't
Nikon be able to do it too - if they wanted to.

And Canon and Kodak are marching up big time, making high-megapixel,
full frame, pro cameras.

Yes, but very few can afford them. What most people (including a lot
of working photographers) buy (and seem to be very happy with) are
DSLRs with APS-C sized sensors.

Next year we'll see Canon's 1Ds mark II with 16 mpixels and a full
frame - will Nikon's 1,5 crop factor sensor be able to compete?
Don't think so.

For a long time, Canon has sold camera's with APS-C sized sensors
(e.g. D30/D60/10D/300D) on the promise that "one day", the faihtful
shall be able to afford the upgrade to "full frame". Will it
happen? Maybe. Will it happen next year? Don't think so.

If the latest announcements from a Canon is anything to go by (the 20D
and the new EF-S lenses to match the "cropped" sensor), it is evident
that Canon is beginning to realize that APS-C sized sensors are here
to stay. I, for one, would not hold my breath while waiting for a
"full frame" digital body I can afford. And why should I? I am very
happy with the quality I can get from an APS-C sized sensor. Equally
happy are, I understand, a lot of D60, 300D and 10D users.

Nikon has consistently built it's digital system (bodies and lenses)
around an APS-C sized 1.5X sensor. Canon seem to have /wanted/ to go
for full frame, but because very few of us can afford to pay $8000 or
more for a body, Canon have compromised on various interrim solutions
with 1.6X and 1.3X "crop" sensors, and its digital "system" currently
is a mess where most of their customers shoot with cropped sensors
and (very expensive on the wide angle end) full frame lenes because
they hope to keep using the glass when that mytical "full frame"
prosumer camera arrives.

If you have any brains, you'll see that once the Nikon changes it's
lens mount, you'll have to build up your system from scratch if you
want to use the latest digital body. And you will have to use
digital bodies, because there will be no new film bodies on the
market, it'll all switch to digital. And this will happen, have no
doubt. And when it does, we'll see a lot of Nikonians going camping
under Canon's tent.

Yes, Nikon's mount is old - but it works. You can buy F-mount lenses
with AF and with VR. If you want to use F-mount lenses on a digital
body, you can get the Kodak 14n.

What exactly /is/ it that you can't do with the F-mount?

Might I say, quite an excellent post. Common sense and intelligence
combined.

As my boss would say... "my sentiments exactly".

In article , brianc1959
@aol.com says...
Perhaps you aren't aware that full frame (24x36mm) digital cameras
were available for several years prior to the announcement of the
Canon 1Ds?

There was ONE Contax - but it never was produced. Canon's 1Ds was the
first full-frame digital SLR.
--
http://www.pbase.com/bcbaird/

In article , brianc1959
@aol.com says...
Perhaps you aren't aware that full frame (24x36mm) digital cameras
were available for several years prior to the announcement of the
Canon 1Ds?

There was ONE Contax - but it never was produced. Canon's 1Ds was the
first full-frame digital SLR.
--
http://www.pbase.com/bcbaird/

"nikonpro" wrote in message
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At a guess your 1D II's are purchased by prosumers? The sort of guys
that think greater megapixels = greater pictures *sigh*


I'd enjoy watching you knock a 2 or 3 Mp prosumer pic up to a 50Mb TIFF for
submission to, eg, Alamy. I'm sure it would sell and sell and sell, NOT.

CANON - The Great Pretender

Pretty good bait - you should get plenty of hits.


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"Brian C. Baird" skrev i melding
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There was ONE Contax - but it never was produced. Canon's 1Ds was the
first full-frame digital SLR.


The Contax was produced not the Pentax. There are no lens mount limitation
for producing full-frame DSLR's.