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swing lens cameras and focussing distance
I would have posted this in the original thread but it has got long
now and fragmented as to topic. I posted some detailed calculations in the thread with the subject line "The opposite of a close-up lens?" on April 6th 2004 two times and April 7th 2004 once and in addition on April 14th 2004 showing an important link for people interested in swing lens cameras, namely http://www.funsci.com/fun3_en/panoram2/pan2_en.htm I have posted a lot of technical stuff and maths backing it up. I use swing lens cameras for maybe 10% of all my photography so maybe that is a high proportion. I have a college degree (BSc) in Physics for what it is worth and of course I studied Optics as part of that. I am not claiming to be an expert on Optics, especially since I have earned my living developing software for many years, but at least I can claim to have some sort of awareness of the subject and a rudimentary grounding. These cameras are important to me so I thought that anybody who followed my calculations might be interested in what I have to say next. Here goes... Now this is theorising and speculation but I personally do not believe that anybody can make a lens with an accurate focal length. I assume a 0.5% error at least. So taking the Noblex 150, assumed fixed-focussed at 10.4m, then this has a 50.93 millimeter drum radius according to the film width and angle specs and there won't be much variation in the examples they make. Fair enough! They say their lens is a 50.75mm focal lens lens. You what?!? It could be anything from 51mm to 50.5mm. There is nothing they can do to stop that unless they adjust the gap between the front converging lens and the diverging lens behind it to correct it. Do they do that? Do they do any adjustment at all? I suspect that the manufacturers of these cameras do make some adjustment but the most important adjustment, if you have followed my calculations, is to make sure the secondary principal point of the lens is exactly on the axis so that the magnification is correct and so that as the lens swings round then parts of an image will always stay on the same place on the film surface. Now I challenge anybody here to find out from manufacturer-published specifications where the lens is fixed-focussed to on any swing lens camera except the Noblex range. I doubt you wil find it. And why? It could be that the only adjustment they are making to the camera is to make sure the secondary principal point is on the axis so that the image doesn't move on the film as the lens swings round. But then the focussing distance will be thrown out when they adjust this. So they will not be able to publish any figures. So you don't know what distance your camera is fixed-focussed to and you have got to take pot luck in getting one that focusses at the distance you have a preference for. In my case I will not pick bones and will say outright that I want my swing lens camera to be focussed at infinity because I use it most at that distance. But secondary principal point on the axis is the most important thing otherwise you lose horizontal resolution in a big way. The two are opposites. For me, at least, anybody claiming a distance focussed to is setting the lens to focus at that distance rather than doing the far more important thing of getting the secondary principal point sited exactly on the axis. If Noblex are claiming figures for focussing distance then they will be adjusting the lens to achieve that figure and not adjusting the lens to make sure the secondary principal point lies exactly on the axis which I feel they should be doing instead. It is possible to have the best of both worlds but it takes a lot of adjustment. If you want a lens in a swing lens camera fixed-focussed at infinity then you have got to make sure that the secondary principal point stays on the axis at all time but you can adjust the gap between the converging lens and the diverging lens behind it (for as Tessar design) to focus it. This will shift the secondary principal point again off the axis but by a process of adjusting them both you will finally arrive at the optimum setting. But it seems to me that the emphasis for the Noblex focussing models has shifted entirely away from the position of the secondary principal point being on the axis which to me (with calculations to back it up) is the most important thing. |
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