editing photos and given the run-around

In an attempt to delete all my duplicate photos all over the place on my pc
and external hard drive, I opened Picasa and went through all the folders
listed deleting the endless copies.

I wanted to create a 'backup' but was told it would need 2 dvds or 12 cds.
since i only have cds (each 700mb capacity) and not enough of them i thought
i would transfer to 'My Documents' on my pc and then go through all the
photos once again deleting a lot of the not so good photos.

For some reason only about a third of the photos have transferred to my
documents from Picas, and when i went back to the Picasa library, all the
duplicate folders have *returned* to the library list !

Which is very annoying since there are years worth and literally hundreds of
folders and i'm not happy to have to do it all again.

Could anyone give advice to a novice on what best to do here please? My
ultimate goal is to delete duplicates and then edit the number down and then
transfer to cd or dvd for safekeeping. Keeping if possible the original
number bytes of each photograph so I can do some detailed editing in the
future. Many thanks for any advice.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:27:57 +0100, "john d hamilton"
wrote:

In an attempt to delete all my duplicate photos all over the place on my pc
and external hard drive, I opened Picasa and went through all the folders
listed deleting the endless copies.

I wanted to create a 'backup' but was told it would need 2 dvds or 12 cds.
since i only have cds (each 700mb capacity) and not enough of them i thought
i would transfer to 'My Documents' on my pc and then go through all the
photos once again deleting a lot of the not so good photos.

For some reason only about a third of the photos have transferred to my
documents from Picas, and when i went back to the Picasa library, all the
duplicate folders have *returned* to the library list !

Which is very annoying since there are years worth and literally hundreds of
folders and i'm not happy to have to do it all again.

Could anyone give advice to a novice on what best to do here please? My
ultimate goal is to delete duplicates and then edit the number down and then
transfer to cd or dvd for safekeeping. Keeping if possible the original
number bytes of each photograph so I can do some detailed editing in the
future. Many thanks for any advice.


On the backup question...Rather than backing up on CDs, I'd suggest
purchasing an external hard drive. You can buy an external hard drive
with 130GB of storage for as little as $60.00. I recently purchased
a Seagate 500GB for about $100.00. It's far easier to backup your
files on a hard drive than by burning CDs. It's an automatic process
on some, and something that can be done while doing other things on
the computer with any of them. The backups are easier to access, too,
compared to finding the right CD.

I don't use Picasa (tried it, hate it), so I don't know how to answer
any questions about Picasa. Damn program seems to take over
everything.







--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

tony cooper wrote in
:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:27:57 +0100, "john d hamilton"
wrote:

In an attempt to delete all my duplicate photos all over
the place on my pc and external hard drive, I opened Picasa
and went through all the folders listed deleting the
endless copies.

SNIP

You have to have the right software (Google is in the business
of destroying the Usenet, creating their own [WWG?], and keeping
complete personal records on everyone alive, so their software
offerings are problematic for those and a variety of other
reasons).

You also need to get ORGANIZED. Most software available today
(/like/ Picasa) is for people who have been too dumbed-down by
MS to be able to think and organize their stuff.

You need a good image viewer. Everyone recommends IrfanView so I
will as well. I don't use it, but it's very good and very free.

There is an app called ThumbsPlus, I use an OLD version, 3.30.
It does everything I need and is 4MB. The latest version is
about 18MB. Take your pick. It costs a little but it's very good
except for the horrid icons (which MAY have been changed in the
later versions, I don't know. I changed the icons in my version
because I could NOT look at them.)

http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=tp

Also, get a duplicate image finder, put ALL your photos into a
huge directory with subdirectories (which will be ALL your
current image directories), and run Unique Filer or some similar
program on it. I've tried about 5 dupe finders and UF is the
best. It also works on non-image files.

(You may know directories as "folders".)

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...gement/Unique-
Filer.shtml

There /are/ other ways of accomplishing this, like with a real
file manager which searches for duplicates using selectable
options. I use the one from www.ghisler.com which runs 100%
forever in demo version but is well worth the price.

(BTW, Earthlink is owned by Scientologists. FYI.)


--
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
votes decide everything.
- Josef Stalin

thanatoid wrote:
tony cooper wrote in
:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:27:57 +0100, "john d hamilton"
wrote:

In an attempt to delete all my duplicate photos all over
the place on my pc and external hard drive, I opened Picasa
and went through all the folders listed deleting the
endless copies.

SNIP

You have to have the right software (Google is in the business
of destroying the Usenet, creating their own [WWG?], and keeping
complete personal records on everyone alive, so their software
offerings are problematic for those and a variety of other
reasons).



Dude--you better add a couple of layers to your tinfoil hat.

"Russell D." wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:
You have to have the right software (Google is in the
business of destroying the Usenet, creating their own
[WWG?], and keeping complete personal records on everyone
alive, so their software offerings are problematic for
those and a variety of other reasons).

Dude--you better add a couple of layers to your tinfoil
hat.

Glad someone responded because it gives me a chance to say I
left out "web" before [WWG?].
Not that many read or noticed it.

As for the tinfoil hat, it's rather a tired little joke, but
yes, I admit it, I am psychotic and typing this with my toe
(straitjacket).

The /sane/ truth is that Bush won both elections legitimately,
there were NO gas chambers in Hitler's concentration camps (nor
did grandpa Bush do profitable business with the aforementioned
gentleman), there was NO moon landing, and Google stores NO
personal data ANYWHERE. Oh, and there is NO Echelon either. Or
US torture camps around the world. After all, God makes damn
sure nothing bad /ever/ happens.


--
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
votes decide everything.
- Josef Stalin

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:48:10 +0000, thanatoid wrote:

The /sane/ truth is that Bush won both elections legitimately, there
were NO gas chambers in Hitler's concentration camps (nor did grandpa
Bush do profitable business with the aforementioned gentleman), there
was NO moon landing, and Google stores NO personal data ANYWHERE. Oh,
and there is NO Echelon either. Or US torture camps around the world.
After all, God makes damn sure nothing bad /ever/ happens.

I now hereby certify you totally cured of your psychosis and you may be
released from this institution to rejoin the world as a good little
citizen :-)



--
Liverpool. European City Of Culture 2008
http://www.liverpool08.com

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:27:57 +0100, john d hamilton wrote:

In an attempt to delete all my duplicate photos all over the place on my
pc and external hard drive, I opened Picasa and went through all the
folders listed deleting the endless copies.

I wanted to create a 'backup' but was told it would need 2 dvds or 12
cds. since i only have cds (each 700mb capacity) and not enough of them
i thought i would transfer to 'My Documents' on my pc and then go
through all the photos once again deleting a lot of the not so good
photos.

For some reason only about a third of the photos have transferred to my
documents from Picas, and when i went back to the Picasa library, all
the duplicate folders have *returned* to the library list !

Which is very annoying since there are years worth and literally
hundreds of folders and i'm not happy to have to do it all again.

Could anyone give advice to a novice on what best to do here please? My
ultimate goal is to delete duplicates and then edit the number down and
then transfer to cd or dvd for safekeeping. Keeping if possible the
original number bytes of each photograph so I can do some detailed
editing in the future. Many thanks for any advice.

My photo collection is rather modest compared to some, but I've never
found it necessary to resort to 'photo management software' - I keep mine
in order by using a directory structure to represent months and years.
There would, of course, be several other practical ways to organize your
photos. I keep all my photos - which I usually shoot in RAW - my wife does
jpegs on her older smaller P&S. I read the photos into my desktop and my
laptop compter and then make a backup copy on an external USB hard drive
(they are quite reasonable now) and then from time to time make a backup
to DVD - DVD writers are also pretty inexpensive now. Needless to say, I
have never lost a photo.

ray wrote in
:

SNIP

My photo collection is rather modest compared to some, but
I've never found it necessary to resort to 'photo
management software' - I keep mine in order by using a
directory structure to represent months and years. There
would, of course, be several other practical ways to
organize your photos. I keep all my photos - which I
usually shoot in RAW - my wife does jpegs on her older
smaller P&S. I read the photos into my desktop and my
laptop compter and then make a backup copy on an external
USB hard drive (they are quite reasonable now) and then
from time to time make a backup to DVD - DVD writers are
also pretty inexpensive now. Needless to say, I have never
lost a photo.

How nice to see some people with intelligence still exist in
this "idiot box 2" century.
Good for you.

"Folders are to make paper airplanes out of."
- thanatoid



--
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
votes decide everything.
- Josef Stalin

On 14 Oct 2008 19:52:10 GMT, ray wrote:

Could anyone give advice to a novice on what best to do here please? My
ultimate goal is to delete duplicates and then edit the number down and
then transfer to cd or dvd for safekeeping. Keeping if possible the
original number bytes of each photograph so I can do some detailed
editing in the future. Many thanks for any advice.

My photo collection is rather modest compared to some, but I've never
found it necessary to resort to 'photo management software' - I keep mine
in order by using a directory structure to represent months and years.
There would, of course, be several other practical ways to organize your
photos. I keep all my photos - which I usually shoot in RAW - my wife does
jpegs on her older smaller P&S. I read the photos into my desktop and my
laptop compter and then make a backup copy on an external USB hard drive
(they are quite reasonable now) and then from time to time make a backup
to DVD - DVD writers are also pretty inexpensive now. Needless to say, I
have never lost a photo.

I do much the same except that my directory structure is based on
subject.

As for never losing a photograph, there was the day that our ancient
cat sat on the corner of the keyboard and simultaneously hit the del
and enter keys. The computer went D-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-ing! and in
less than a second some 3000 photographs had vanished.

When my heart had settled down, I went to my 500Gb external hard drive
and copied back all the missing directories. Thank heavens for 'Second
Copy'. See http://www.centered.com/



Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens wrote:
My photo collection is rather modest compared to some, but I've never
found it necessary to resort to 'photo management software' - I keep mine
in order by using a directory structure to represent months and years.
....


I do much the same except that my directory structure is based on
subject.

Of course, some photos are of more than on subject
(e.g. car at sunset), or "parrot" taken when on
"holiday" and all photos have a date *and* subject(s).

The desire to index/navigate by more in more
than one model (possibly simultaneously) is what photomagement software
is about.

It does depend on how many photos you have, of course,
but the desire see photos of "cars" from 2006 doesn't seem unreasonable.

BugBear