There are two truisms in the computer world:

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 00:03:45 -0700, RichA wrote:

1. Process descriptions from the software makers NEVER match what you
actually see on-screen.
2. Updates often cause more problems than they address.

Only in the MicroSlop arena. Debian Linux updates/upgrades do no go awry
because they have been thoroughly tested and released only when they are
ready.

On 17/03/2018 13:55, ray carter wrote:
[] Only in the MicroSlop arena. Debian Linux updates/upgrades do no go awry
because they have been thoroughly tested and released only when they are
ready.

Not in my experience. Serial ports go missing, GPSd stops working, and
one Linux upgrade completely trashed an HD. As any raspberry Pi
upgrader. Version-to-version compatibility is much worse than on
Windows, often requiring the user to recompile the software. I've seen
this with GPSd and NTP. On Windows the same software can easily run on
XP/32 to Win-10/32 with no changes.

Perhaps Linux upgrades "rarely go awry", but not "do no(t) go awry".

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On 2018-03-17 15:56, David Taylor wrote:
On 17/03/2018 13:55, ray carter wrote:
[] Only in the MicroSlop arena. Debian Linux updates/upgrades do no go
awry
because they have been thoroughly tested and released only when they are
ready.

Not in my experience.Â* Serial ports go missing, GPSd stops working, and
one Linux upgrade completely trashed an HD.Â* As any raspberry Pi
upgrader.Â* Version-to-version compatibility is much worse than on
Windows, often requiring the user to recompile the software.Â* I've seen
this with GPSd and NTP.Â* On Windows the same software can easily run on
XP/32 to Win-10/32 with no changes.

It took me 3 full days this week to upgrade my Windows partition. Gave
some error code number. Googling it said that perhaps the disk was full
(doesn't the process know if it is?), perhaps a conflict with the
antivirus (doesn't it know), perhaps a conflict with some other thing
(doesn't it know which?).

Advice varied, but most hits (at official Microsoft site) said to go for
a clean boot (which is not a single click), then to run some update
problems wizard. The wizard said that there was a corruption with the
update database that could not be repaired.

It even took hours to download the upgrades with a 300 Mb/s pipe!

After several runs of wizard and updates it worked.

Then it run several more updates and several reboots.

Nightmare.


In comparison, my Linux upgrades (same machine) run smooth, and when
they fail I get to know the exact reason.


Perhaps Linux upgrades "rarely go awry", but not "do no(t) go awry".



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Cheers, Carlos.

On 17/03/2018 16:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[] It took me 3 full days this week to upgrade my Windows partition. Gave
some error code number. Googling it said that perhaps the disk was full
(doesn't the process know if it is?), perhaps a conflict with the
antivirus (doesn't it know), perhaps a conflict with some other thing
(doesn't it know which?).

Advice varied, but most hits (at official Microsoft site) said to go for
a clean boot (which is not a single click), then to run some update
problems wizard. The wizard said that there was a corruption with the
update database that could not be repaired.

It even took hours to download the upgrades with a 300 Mb/s pipe!

After several runs of wizard and updates it worked.

Then it run several more updates and several reboots.

Nightmare.


In comparison, my Linux upgrades (same machine) run smooth, and when
they fail I get to know the exact reason.
===============

I'm sorry to hear that. I'd recommend that you apply updates as soon as
possible, rather than leaving them to a major update.

For comparison, a full Windows Upgrade (which I do once or twice a week
as new "Insider" versions come out) typically take less than three hours
on a nine-year-old dual core laptop with just 2 GB memory. That's with
a 117 GB SSD with 70 GB free.

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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

In article , David Taylor
wrote:

For comparison, a full Windows Upgrade (which I do once or twice a week
as new "Insider" versions come out) typically take less than three hours
on a nine-year-old dual core laptop with just 2 GB memory. That's with
a 117 GB SSD with 70 GB free.

a *nine* year old laptop with 2 gig running win 10???
are you ****ing kidding?? do you like pain?

no wonder it takes 3 hours to update.

On 2018-03-17 20:01, David Taylor wrote:
On 17/03/2018 16:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[] It took me 3 full days this week to upgrade my Windows partition. Gave
some error code number. Googling it said that perhaps the disk was full
(doesn't the process know if it is?), perhaps a conflict with the
antivirus (doesn't it know), perhaps a conflict with some other thing
(doesn't it know which?).

Advice varied, but most hits (at official Microsoft site) said to go for
a clean boot (which is not a single click), then to run some update
problems wizard. The wizard said that there was a corruption with the
update database that could not be repaired.

It even took hours to download the upgrades with a 300 Mb/s pipe!

After several runs of wizard and updates it worked.

Then it run several more updates and several reboots.

Nightmare.


In comparison, my Linux upgrades (same machine) run smooth, and when
they fail I get to know the exact reason.
===============

I'm sorry to hear that.Â* I'd recommend that you apply updates as soon as
possible, rather than leaving them to a major update.

I don't know when there are updates to do. The computer is normally
running Linux, windows is not booted unless really needed, once a month
or less. As I can not enable or disable the updates, I boot in Windows
only when I have time to spare.

Instead, most of the times I use a virtual Windows machine.


For comparison, a full Windows Upgrade (which I do once or twice a week
as new "Insider" versions come out) typically take less than three hours
on a nine-year-old dual core laptop with just 2 GB memory.Â* That's with
a 117 GB SSD with 70 GB free.

3 hours?

My experience is that Linux updates much faster in the same hardware. I
don't understand why Windows is so slow at updating itself. With fast
internet it can take hours to download, with virtually nil network
activity but high cpu load. What is the problem? Just download the file
in seconds, replace the libraries, done.

Maybe they think that I can be doing other things on the computer while
it updates, but that's not the case. I want to boot, update, power off,
fast, and take the road. At a time of my choosing, not their choosing.

Just talking, doesn't matter :-)

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Cheers, Carlos.

On 17/03/2018 21:12, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[] I don't know when there are updates to do. The computer is normally
running Linux, windows is not booted unless really needed, once a month
or less. As I can not enable or disable the updates, I boot in Windows
only when I have time to spare.

Instead, most of the times I use a virtual Windows machine.


For comparison, a full Windows Upgrade (which I do once or twice a week
as new "Insider" versions come out) typically take less than three hours
on a nine-year-old dual core laptop with just 2 GB memory.Â* That's with
a 117 GB SSD with 70 GB free.

3 hours?

My experience is that Linux updates much faster in the same hardware. I
don't understand why Windows is so slow at updating itself. With fast
internet it can take hours to download, with virtually nil network
activity but high cpu load. What is the problem? Just download the file
in seconds, replace the libraries, done.

Maybe they think that I can be doing other things on the computer while
it updates, but that's not the case. I want to boot, update, power off,
fast, and take the road. At a time of my choosing, not their choosing.

Just talking, doesn't matter :-)

There are plenty of ways to delay or reschedule Windows updates - search
Google.

The Windows updates are sent out on the second Tuesday of the month, so
perhaps running Windows on the day after every month might be a good idea.

3 hours is for a full Windows upgrade - a major upgrade, like Win-8 to
Win-10 - the monthly updates take minutes. The updates can be
downloaded in the background, just leave the PC running.

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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:56:22 +0000, David Taylor wrote:

On 17/03/2018 13:55, ray carter wrote:
[] Only in the MicroSlop arena. Debian Linux updates/upgrades do no go
awry
because they have been thoroughly tested and released only when they
are ready.

Not in my experience. Serial ports go missing, GPSd stops working, and
one Linux upgrade completely trashed an HD. As any raspberry Pi
upgrader. Version-to-version compatibility is much worse than on
Windows, often requiring the user to recompile the software. I've seen
this with GPSd and NTP. On Windows the same software can easily run on
XP/32 to Win-10/32 with no changes.

Perhaps Linux upgrades "rarely go awry", but not "do no(t) go awry".

I did not say linux upgrades rarely go awry - I said Debian linux
upgrades do not go awry and I stand by the statement.

On 17/03/2018 21:21, ray carter wrote:
[]
I did not say linux upgrades rarely go awry - I said Debian linux
upgrades do not go awry and I stand by the statement.

Not true for Raspbian on the Raspberry Pi - I think that's Debian.

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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On 2018-03-18 09:57:12 +0000, David Taylor said:

On 17/03/2018 21:21, ray carter wrote:
[]
I did not say linux upgrades rarely go awry - I said Debian linux
upgrades do not go awry and I stand by the statement.

Not true for Raspbian on the Raspberry Pi - I think that's Debian.

It's not fair to blame Debian for problems on custom derivates.
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