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SO GOOD IT'S CRIMINAL !
Alain's Studio wrote:
I'm from Canada and I find what is happening with our friend down south is sad, we can't go and visit you guys now without passports even my kids needs them, what happen to the Berlin wall coming down and how good that was. I was in Berlin in 89 when the wall came down, and still have a large box full of about 50 pounds of the wall that I hammered and chiseled down from Check-Point Charlie...and I can assure you that your comparison is absolutely out of place--to put it politely. Nobody is forbidding you from traveling outside your country as was the restriction for East Germans. All that is asked is that you have a valid passport. Big deal. It's about time we knew who is coming and going. Most of the rest of the planet has required passports for decades, and why not? "Annika1980" wrote in message ps.com... I'm bored this afternoon so I go over to the dam to try to get some pics of the herons flying (they were very uncooperative). I'm also shooting a few ducks, some cardinals, and the lone falcon that lives there. The light is terrible, it's about to rain, but hey ... I love a challenge. Anyway, I'm minding my own business when I notice there's some rookie cop standing there beside me asking me what I was shooting. "Birds," I told him without even looking up from my 20D and the Forgotten 400 f/ 5.6L. "Show me," he demands. So he makes me scroll through the entire CF card showing him the photos to make sure I'm not shooting a picture of little kids or the bridge ... you know, like terrorists always do. So I'm narrating the pics as I scroll, "Great Blue Heron, duck, falcon, duck, Presidential Motorcade, me flipping off the Pres, another duck, me and the old lady doing it ..... " You know, the usual stuff. Just kidding about the Presidential pics. Thankfully, I deleted them from the card before today's shoot. Otherwise, I might be typing this from Guantanimo. I was very polite with the flatfoot (since I don't really like jail), but the more I thought about it after he left the madder I got. At what point does having a nice camera make one a terrorist suspect? When did that happen? (I know it must've been in the last 6 years.) I know Bush (and his gang of crooks) wipes his ass with the Constitution, but I must've missed it when photography became a crime. I'm just glad my pal, Kamran, wasnt with me. He's from Pakistan and he's got a quick tongue. Can you say, "Taser?" This isn't the first time this has happened to me, either. I think the next time it happens I will politely ask the officer for a list of things that I may and may not photograph. If he can't provide such a list I shall politely ask him to go **** up a rope. Anyway, here's a crappy pic from today's crappy shoot. http://www.pbase.com/image/74796772 -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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On 24 Feb 2007 16:58:58 -0800, "Annika1980"
wrote: I'm bored this afternoon so I go over to the dam to try to get some pics of the herons flying (they were very uncooperative). I'm also shooting a few ducks, some cardinals, and the lone falcon that lives there. The light is terrible, it's about to rain, but hey ... I love a challenge. Anyway, I'm minding my own business when I notice there's some rookie cop standing there beside me asking me what I was shooting. "Birds," I told him without even looking up from my 20D and the Forgotten 400 f/ 5.6L. "Show me," he demands. So he makes me scroll through the entire CF card showing him the photos to make sure I'm not shooting a picture of little kids or the bridge ... you know, like terrorists always do. So I'm narrating the pics as I scroll, "Great Blue Heron, duck, falcon, duck, Presidential Motorcade, me flipping off the Pres, another duck, me and the old lady doing it ..... " You know, the usual stuff. Just kidding about the Presidential pics. Thankfully, I deleted them from the card before today's shoot. Otherwise, I might be typing this from Guantanimo. I was very polite with the flatfoot (since I don't really like jail), but the more I thought about it after he left the madder I got. At what point does having a nice camera make one a terrorist suspect? When did that happen? (I know it must've been in the last 6 years.) I know Bush (and his gang of crooks) wipes his ass with the Constitution, but I must've missed it when photography became a crime. I'm just glad my pal, Kamran, wasnt with me. He's from Pakistan and he's got a quick tongue. Can you say, "Taser?" This isn't the first time this has happened to me, either. I think the next time it happens I will politely ask the officer for a list of things that I may and may not photograph. If he can't provide such a list I shall politely ask him to go **** up a rope. Anyway, here's a crappy pic from today's crappy shoot. http://www.pbase.com/image/74796772 If you were using a Nikon he would have left you alone. Even cops know that serious photographers use Nikon. Terrorists, otoh, read the camera magazines and buy Canons because they think they make them look like professionals. :-) Ah, I see by your remarks about the president that you are swayed by conspiracy theories... that helps explain your irrational attraction to a single camera company while calling others "the enemy." |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:10:21 +0900, "David J. Littleboy"
wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: "David J. Littleboy" wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: The notion is that one can mount a firearm on a photographic tripod for purposes of sniping. Never mind that it doesn't work. I have a pro photographer friend who says that if a tripod isn't strong enough to hold a machine gun, it's not strong enough to hold a camera. So it does work with his tripods... So he normally uses a tripod that weighs 14 pounds and stands 9 inches high? I don't know about his, but my tripod weights 3.3 kg and can be persuaded to stand 9 inches high. The pushy salesman at the camera store demo'd it by swinging his whole weight from it. He also stood on it with its legs spread for low angle work. So it would probably work fine for a light caliber machine gun. It's real nice having a tripod you don't have to worry about. Wait, if your Canons are so good at high ISO, why would you even need a tripod???? David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:48:59 -0500, smb wrote:
If you were using a Nikon he would have left you alone. Even cops know that serious photographers use Nikon. Terrorists, otoh, read the camera magazines and buy Canons because they think they make them look like professionals. :-) Ah, I see by your remarks about the president that you are swayed by conspiracy theories... that helps explain your irrational attraction to a single camera company while calling others "the enemy." Not others. Just one other is considered to be the enemy. He couldn't call it the "evil empire" because that's reserved for the other camera kahuna. |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:21:27 -0800, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even
number wrote: Annika1980 wrote: I'm bored this afternoon so I go over to the dam to try to get some pics of the herons flying (they were very uncooperative). I'm also shooting a few ducks, some cardinals, and the lone falcon that lives there. The light is terrible, it's about to rain, but hey ... I love a challenge. Anyway, I'm minding my own business when I notice there's some rookie cop standing there beside me asking me what I was shooting. "Birds," I told him without even looking up from my 20D and the Forgotten 400 f/ 5.6L. "Show me," he demands. So he makes me scroll through the entire CF card showing him the photos to make sure I'm not shooting a picture of little kids or the bridge ... you know, like terrorists always do. So I'm narrating the pics as I scroll, "Great Blue Heron, duck, falcon, duck, Presidential Motorcade, me flipping off the Pres, another duck, me and the old lady doing it ..... " You know, the usual stuff. Just kidding about the Presidential pics. Thankfully, I deleted them from the card before today's shoot. Otherwise, I might be typing this from Guantanimo. I was very polite with the flatfoot (since I don't really like jail), but the more I thought about it after he left the madder I got. At what point does having a nice camera make one a terrorist suspect? When did that happen? (I know it must've been in the last 6 years.) I know Bush (and his gang of crooks) wipes his ass with the Constitution, but I must've missed it when photography became a crime. I'm just glad my pal, Kamran, wasnt with me. He's from Pakistan and he's got a quick tongue. Can you say, "Taser?" This isn't the first time this has happened to me, either. I think the next time it happens I will politely ask the officer for a list of things that I may and may not photograph. If he can't provide such a list I shall politely ask him to go **** up a rope. Anyway, here's a crappy pic from today's crappy shoot. http://www.pbase.com/image/74796772 I think it has less to do with Bush, and mostly to do with human nature. Cops are no different than some other folks in other professions. If you're a football player, you dream of making the big play in the last three seconds of the Super Bowl. -If you're a cop, you dream of busting the guy that would have killed thousands of imagined folk...and see your face on CNN...where you'd get to say something stupid like, "I'm not a hero...I was just doing my job" -all the while, fancying yourself not only a hero, but becoming the manifestation of your life-long-dreams of being admired as one by the entire country. It's pretty pathetic in one way, but completely understandable too. Everyone has a fantasy related to their job. It just so happens that some of the idiots who are hired as law enforcement officers have a hard time separating fantasy from reality...and whimsical stabs at herodom from the law. Ya, it's a problem, and ya, we need to hold their feet to the fire. Trouble is, there are so many idiots with an overgrown sense of one-man-justice...too many Rambos and Eastwoods. There are plenty of guys who are drawn to law enforcement for no other reason than that they think it would be "cool" to get to carry a gun around... I know of one such cop friend of mine who admitted that this was very much in his mind when he started out down that path. I hope you'll take him to task next time. -Perhaps simply asking him why he's "searching" your camera, or "Have I violated some photography law that warrants your searching through my personal photos?" I'm stubborn enough that I'd likely do just that...but laik bilong yu... Then again, did the officer actually tell you/him to stop taking pictures? Unless he was physically or verbally abusive, what's the problem with showing him what you were doing? You may not like it, but after all his job is public safety. Just because WE know we are innocent doesn't mean that everybody who sees us shooting pictures knows we are innocent. There is really a theme to Annika's posts... Nikons are evil, the president is evil... the police are evil... Yes, it's time to admit it. It's the vast right wing conspiracy who wants to force everyone to use Nikons and get Bush's permission photograph anything or risk being tortured by Jack Bauer. Canonistas of the world UNITE !!! ;-) |
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"smb" wrote: "David J. wrote: I don't know about his, but my tripod weights 3.3 kg and can be persuaded to stand 9 inches high. The pushy salesman at the camera store demo'd it by swinging his whole weight from it. He also stood on it with its legs spread for low angle work. So it would probably work fine for a light caliber machine gun. It's real nice having a tripod you don't have to worry about. Wait, if your Canons are so good at high ISO, why would you even need a tripod???? I didn't say Canons were good, I said Nikon was bad. Sheesh, get it straight, guy. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:10:21 +0900, "David J. Littleboy"
wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: "David J. Littleboy" wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: The notion is that one can mount a firearm on a photographic tripod for purposes of sniping. Never mind that it doesn't work. I have a pro photographer friend who says that if a tripod isn't strong enough to hold a machine gun, it's not strong enough to hold a camera. So it does work with his tripods... So he normally uses a tripod that weighs 14 pounds and stands 9 inches high? I don't know about his, but my tripod weights 3.3 kg and can be persuaded to stand 9 inches high. The pushy salesman at the camera store demo'd it by swinging his whole weight from it. He also stood on it with its legs spread for low angle work. So it would probably work fine for a light caliber machine gun. It's real nice having a tripod you don't have to worry about. It might hold a machine gun off the ground but when you start shooting you'll find that it's nowhere near stiff enough to stand up to recoil. All that 14 pounds in the machine gun tripod goes to standing it 9 inches tall--it's not a 6 foot tripod that will adjust down to 9 inches, it's 9 inches, period. Why do you seem so determined to feed this myth? |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:57:19 -0500, ASAAR wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:48:59 -0500, smb wrote: If you were using a Nikon he would have left you alone. Even cops know that serious photographers use Nikon. Terrorists, otoh, read the camera magazines and buy Canons because they think they make them look like professionals. :-) Ah, I see by your remarks about the president that you are swayed by conspiracy theories... that helps explain your irrational attraction to a single camera company while calling others "the enemy." Not others. Just one other is considered to be the enemy. He couldn't call it the "evil empire" because that's reserved for the other camera kahuna. Ah, correct. There is just one enemy in his mind. I wonder why that is so? Did an abusive cop wearing a Bush/Cheney campaign button force him to perform an indecent act with a Nikon when he was a child? (Oh, pardon me for using the N word.) :-) |
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smb wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:21:27 -0800, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote: Annika1980 wrote: I'm bored this afternoon so I go over to the dam to try to get some pics of the herons flying (they were very uncooperative). I'm also shooting a few ducks, some cardinals, and the lone falcon that lives there. The light is terrible, it's about to rain, but hey ... I love a challenge. Anyway, I'm minding my own business when I notice there's some rookie cop standing there beside me asking me what I was shooting. "Birds," I told him without even looking up from my 20D and the Forgotten 400 f/ 5.6L. "Show me," he demands. So he makes me scroll through the entire CF card showing him the photos to make sure I'm not shooting a picture of little kids or the bridge ... you know, like terrorists always do. So I'm narrating the pics as I scroll, "Great Blue Heron, duck, falcon, duck, Presidential Motorcade, me flipping off the Pres, another duck, me and the old lady doing it ..... " You know, the usual stuff. Just kidding about the Presidential pics. Thankfully, I deleted them from the card before today's shoot. Otherwise, I might be typing this from Guantanimo. I was very polite with the flatfoot (since I don't really like jail), but the more I thought about it after he left the madder I got. At what point does having a nice camera make one a terrorist suspect? When did that happen? (I know it must've been in the last 6 years.) I know Bush (and his gang of crooks) wipes his ass with the Constitution, but I must've missed it when photography became a crime. I'm just glad my pal, Kamran, wasnt with me. He's from Pakistan and he's got a quick tongue. Can you say, "Taser?" This isn't the first time this has happened to me, either. I think the next time it happens I will politely ask the officer for a list of things that I may and may not photograph. If he can't provide such a list I shall politely ask him to go **** up a rope. Anyway, here's a crappy pic from today's crappy shoot. http://www.pbase.com/image/74796772 I think it has less to do with Bush, and mostly to do with human nature. Cops are no different than some other folks in other professions. If you're a football player, you dream of making the big play in the last three seconds of the Super Bowl. -If you're a cop, you dream of busting the guy that would have killed thousands of imagined folk...and see your face on CNN...where you'd get to say something stupid like, "I'm not a hero...I was just doing my job" -all the while, fancying yourself not only a hero, but becoming the manifestation of your life-long-dreams of being admired as one by the entire country. It's pretty pathetic in one way, but completely understandable too. Everyone has a fantasy related to their job. It just so happens that some of the idiots who are hired as law enforcement officers have a hard time separating fantasy from reality...and whimsical stabs at herodom from the law. Ya, it's a problem, and ya, we need to hold their feet to the fire. Trouble is, there are so many idiots with an overgrown sense of one-man-justice...too many Rambos and Eastwoods. There are plenty of guys who are drawn to law enforcement for no other reason than that they think it would be "cool" to get to carry a gun around... I know of one such cop friend of mine who admitted that this was very much in his mind when he started out down that path. I hope you'll take him to task next time. -Perhaps simply asking him why he's "searching" your camera, or "Have I violated some photography law that warrants your searching through my personal photos?" I'm stubborn enough that I'd likely do just that...but laik bilong yu... Then again, did the officer actually tell you/him to stop taking pictures? Unless he was physically or verbally abusive, what's the problem with showing him what you were doing? The problem is operating on the the assumption that you are compelled to show him ANY of your personal pictures without cause. You may not like it, but after all his job is public safety. Just because WE know we are innocent doesn't mean that everybody who sees us shooting pictures knows we are innocent. And what picture would have shown that you were participating in dangerous activity? There is really a theme to Annika's posts... Nikons are evil, the president is evil... the police are evil... Yes, it's time to admit it. It's the vast right wing conspiracy who wants to force everyone to use Nikons and get Bush's permission photograph anything or risk being tortured by Jack Bauer. Canonistas of the world UNITE !!! -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:17:03 -0500, smb wrote:
Not others. Just one other is considered to be the enemy. He couldn't call it the "evil empire" because that's reserved for the other camera kahuna. Ah, correct. There is just one enemy in his mind. I wonder why that is so? Did an abusive cop wearing a Bush/Cheney campaign button force him to perform an indecent act with a Nikon when he was a child? No, it's nothing like that. Twenty seven years ago he underwent an extended training session where he was forced under hypnosis to watch a training film titled Bretannika1980, modeled after another released 18 years earlier. Now, every once in a while he'll get a phone call from someone that asks him "Why don't you pass the time playing a little solitaire?" and when sufficient time passes for him to react to a preconditioned trigger, he'll get another call with an assignment that sends him off on an anti-Nikon mission. Annika happens to have an extensive film/DVD collection that includes A Gathering of Eagles, Hail, Mafia, Journey to a Hanging, Manhunt, Three Days to a Kill, The Violent Breed, Shoot, Megaforce, The Violent Breed, Trained to Kill, The Columbian Connection, Escape From The Bronx, The Manchurian Candidate, The Good Die Young, Butterfield 8, Room at the Top, Walk on the Wild Side, The Running Man, A Dandy in Aspic, The Magic Christian and I Am A Camera. His friends report that he has an odd preoccupation with these films that he and they haven't been able to explain. I've tried to figure out what makes these films so fascinating to him but really haven't gotten anywhere, other than to note that all of them contain roles played by either Laurence Harvey or Henry Silva. Strange. |
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