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William Graham wrote:
Makes a libertarian like me want to set up one of your stills and work it 24/7 even if I just flushed its output down the toilet.....(which I would probably have to do, since I can't drink the stuff.....It interferes with a couple of my diabetes medications.) I believe I've sent you this link before Bill: http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/ The drawings and build instructions were about $30. You will need and ATF licence but that doesn't cost much and in the US they assume that if you get a licence for a stated purpose (fuel) that that's what it's for. Here in Canada you are assumed to be evilly making moonshine. Cheers, Alan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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William Graham wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message ... "Alan Browne" wrote in message ... (Note: to make "E85" you need near 100% Ethanol (or rather 0% water in the ethanol). As much water as possible needs to be removed. Dewatering the ethanol requires Zeolite or similar materials. Having a "denaturing" agent (gasoline) in the ethanol will ruin the zeolite.) I have a set of drawings to make a high efficiency still ... will yield about 85% ethanol. Cheers, Alan How many gallons can your still make over a 16 hour period, Alan? http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/ Will tell you. A few batches on a given day will keep you running for a couple weeks. You will need a flex-fuel car (E85) and don't forget to add the gasoline to the mix (15% (by volume I believe)). At this scale it is a batch process. If you do it right you use waste heat from batch 1 to pre-heat batch 2 (post fermented batches), and waste heat from batch 2 to pre-heat batch 3 and so on. A 40 gallon "batch" of fermented mash will take about 1 - 2 hours to process and produce about 4 - 5 gallons of ethanol. YMMV as it depends on what the mash source is and how well it fermented. The "waste" mash can be fed to pigs or cattle; possibly used as a fertilizer. As a feedstock for the mash find local breweries/wineries and take away their "leavings" and bad batches of beer/wine. This will need little or no fermenting. Farmers molasses (that hasn't had the sugar removed) Rotten, spoiled, wasted fruit and "sweet" veggies (local markets, restaurants, etc.) (Corn, carrots, and other high sugar veggies). You'll need yeasts to start the fermenting too... Cheers, Alan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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Ron Hunter wrote:
Good question. There is a significant difference between producing 1 liter/day, and producing 10 gallons. The liter would be enough for drinking purposes, but inadequate for use as a motor fuel. A batch of fermeted mash is typically 10 - 15% ethanol. And you get pretty much all of it out. More mash, more ethanol. Cheers, Alan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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Ken Lucke wrote: In article , acl wrote: jeremy wrote: mechanical build quality had deteriorated noticably. Just like new cars. Better fuel economy and more amenities, at the expense of less sheet metal and smaller overall size. So, basically, you prefer cars with lots of sheet metal and large size? Damn straight _I_ do. Sheet metal, true internal structure (not just some flimsy suppoorts for the outer skin), and large size. I'd take high strength composite fiber/plastics (NOT fiberglass!) if they ever start making cars with them (oops, sorry, that was an inadvertent cue for RichA to enter the thread with his obsession), but until then, I want METAL around me. The more the better. Ever seen a serious wreck? Ever been in one? From 1979 to 1996, I worked as a professional, full time paramedic (in Portland, OR and other places), and the last 6 years was also a firefighter. I've _seen_ (and sometimes had to scrape up) the difference in outcomes. Sorry, but to hell with fuel economy... with the millions of people on the road in this country who merely know "how to operate a motor vehicle" as opposed to actually knowing how to _drive_ their vehicles (and there is a HUGE difference between those two skillsets), I want a tank around me, if possible. Again, damn straight I prefer a vehicle with some substance to it rather than today's tin cans that a wrinkle in the sheet metal causes major loss of body integrity and strength (literally). Aren't the lighter bodies designed to use crumple zones to reduce the forces of impact upon the passengers by absorbing the impact as opposed to the driver feeling 100% of the impact (which would result in a higher percentage of injury) while using a firm, non-flexible body on their car? Newer cars seem to have better crash test ratings than older, not-so flexible cars. |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:25:13 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote: In addition, the armed citizen still acts as the best limit to the abuse of citizens by the government. Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot him? What on earth are you talking about? yes, both have happened, and it is eXACTLY what was intended. |
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In article .com,
sgtdisturbed wrote: Ken Lucke wrote: In article , acl wrote: jeremy wrote: mechanical build quality had deteriorated noticably. Just like new cars. Better fuel economy and more amenities, at the expense of less sheet metal and smaller overall size. So, basically, you prefer cars with lots of sheet metal and large size? Damn straight _I_ do. Sheet metal, true internal structure (not just some flimsy suppoorts for the outer skin), and large size. I'd take high strength composite fiber/plastics (NOT fiberglass!) if they ever start making cars with them (oops, sorry, that was an inadvertent cue for RichA to enter the thread with his obsession), but until then, I want METAL around me. The more the better. Ever seen a serious wreck? Ever been in one? From 1979 to 1996, I worked as a professional, full time paramedic (in Portland, OR and other places), and the last 6 years was also a firefighter. I've _seen_ (and sometimes had to scrape up) the difference in outcomes. Sorry, but to hell with fuel economy... with the millions of people on the road in this country who merely know "how to operate a motor vehicle" as opposed to actually knowing how to _drive_ their vehicles (and there is a HUGE difference between those two skillsets), I want a tank around me, if possible. Again, damn straight I prefer a vehicle with some substance to it rather than today's tin cans that a wrinkle in the sheet metal causes major loss of body integrity and strength (literally). Aren't the lighter bodies designed to use crumple zones to reduce the forces of impact upon the passengers by absorbing the impact as opposed to the driver feeling 100% of the impact (which would result in a higher percentage of injury) while using a firm, non-flexible body on their car? Newer cars seem to have better crash test ratings than older, not-so flexible cars. Ever had to extract a patient from one vs. the other? And then had to treat said patient? I thought not. -- You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard |
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Bill Funk wrote: Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote: Ken Lucke wrote: Ever heard of the 4th amendment? Not terribly useful today, is it. So shall we stop hiding behind that one? If you're a US citizen, I sincerely hope you don't vote. It's quite clear that Mr. Payne is something far superior to a US citizen. |
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:18:55 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote: Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot him? What on earth are you talking about? yes, both have happened, and it is eXACTLY what was intended. Recently? |
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On 7 Jan 2007 14:01:07 -0800, "
wrote: If you're a US citizen, I sincerely hope you don't vote. It's quite clear that Mr. Payne is something far superior to a US citizen. Thanks for the compliment! But judge me against your best, not against some of the people we're meeting here. |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:18:55 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote: Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot him? What on earth are you talking about? yes, both have happened, and it is eXACTLY what was intended. Recently? In the past 50 years. yes. Only the march on Washington was more waving tractors. it worked. |
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