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"Lourens Smak" wrote: Brian C. Baird wrote: But the fact remains, whether you like the camera or not, the 4/3 format is a dead end technology wise. Why? Because there's no way to increase the pixel count without increasing noise. If you don't mind being stuck at that pixel count with those noise levels till hell freezes over, it's a fine camera. because you own a dozen lenses that were designed for 35mm? It's not about lenses I own, it's about the lenses I don't own but would like to. Where are the fast primes for the E-1? Where are the tilt/shift lenses? While you wait for the affordable full-frame dust-collector, we move on. It's just time for something new. Yup, the wait is getting long. I decided to pass on the 6MP generation and do medium format film. But scanning's getting old, and the affordable/liftable 1Ds is nowhere in sight. Sigh. But I sure as hell won't be buying anything that doesn't have at least a potential upgrade path to the quality I'm getting now. The funny thing is, the old 35mm lenses that you so desparately want to keep, don't even provide 11MP of image-information. (well, some of them do, at F8) I recently shot with the 1Ds + 16-35 L at F2.8, and you have lots of pixels, but you probably don't even have 5MP of actual image info, and the corners just simply suck. The E-1 kicks ass at F2.8. Except for the minor problem that there isn't a 16mm rectilinear lens for the E-1, so your comparison is totally bogus. The widest rectilinear lens is a 22mm equivalent, which is a completely different class of lens. There are five good prime lenses in the 20 to 24mm range for the 1Ds: three Canon and two Sigmas (if you need the speed/price), three of which are faster than that zoom, and any of which will be a lot better on the 1Ds than that zoom on the E-1. At 8 or 10MP, the quality of the system will really start to show. Yup. One probably will need primes, but that's not a change he I don't own any zooms. But I bet that if you did am honest comparison between prints from the 1Ds with the 16-35/2.8 at 22mm and the 11-22 zoom on the E-1 at 11mm, you'd find that the 1Ds prints were a lot better. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Skip M wrote: I'm glad you said that about the sample images, I was afraid it was just me. I looked at some of the images posted by one of the participants in the forum, and thought they were marginally better than similar images I've taken with my D30, not up to what my wife's 10D is capable. I find it interesting that the impressions that the users have is so different from the reviewer's. It's a pleasant surprise when a camera's rep exceeds a review. The users on dpreview's forum are wild about this camera - from the first moment they pick it up. The rep is that the images are correct straight from the camera, and require no manipulation in Photoshop. That would indeed be a pleasure. Gary Eickmeier |
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Skip M wrote: I'm glad you said that about the sample images, I was afraid it was just me. I looked at some of the images posted by one of the participants in the forum, and thought they were marginally better than similar images I've taken with my D30, not up to what my wife's 10D is capable. I find it interesting that the impressions that the users have is so different from the reviewer's. It's a pleasant surprise when a camera's rep exceeds a review. The users on dpreview's forum are wild about this camera - from the first moment they pick it up. The rep is that the images are correct straight from the camera, and require no manipulation in Photoshop. That would indeed be a pleasure. Gary Eickmeier |
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nospam wrote: the main problem for me, is the camera is essentially the same size as the rebel/d70/*ist. since the sensor is smaller, give me a camera that is *noticably* smaller, not the same size. if the camera is essentially the same size, then i want a bigger and better sensor. plus, there are a LOT of nikon/canon/pentax lenses around, new and used. Wait for the (sorta) budget-level SLR. That will likely be down in the *ist size range. |
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"Steve Hix" wrote in message
... In article , nospam wrote: the main problem for me, is the camera is essentially the same size as the rebel/d70/*ist. since the sensor is smaller, give me a camera that is *noticably* smaller, not the same size. if the camera is essentially the same size, then i want a bigger and better sensor. plus, there are a LOT of nikon/canon/pentax lenses around, new and used. Wait for the (sorta) budget-level SLR. That will likely be down in the *ist size range. Looked at an *ist the other day, that one's a little TOO small, at least for my hands, and my hands aren't all that big. But it's the size that could really utilize the smaller sensor, if the Oly is bigger, one has to wonder why bother? -- Skip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com |
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"Brian C. Baird" wrote in message
.. . Like I said, it's a great niche product. It works well. However, it really isn't any lighter, the lens selection is limited and the noise, resolution and feature set of the camera doesn't beat the competition. I had a Canon APS Elph. It was a great product in spite of being APS, but most APS cameras were not great. 4/3 will run into the same brick wall as APS. It's an attempt to go to a smaller sensor size so you can have cheaper cameras and lenses. But with film, at least the quality scaled linearly with frame size. There will be some good 4/3 products and some poor ones. There was even an APS SLR at one point, and it was closed out at a very cheap price. Canon will bring out a full frame, or close to full frame, consumer digital SLR for $1000, and that will be the end of 4/3. Consumers like an upgrade path, even if they'll never upgrade, and a large selection of lenses, even though they'll only ever buy a few. |
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Lourens Smak wrote: The funny thing is, the old 35mm lenses that you so desparately want to keep, don't even provide 11MP of image-information. (well, some of them do, at F8) I recently shot with the 1Ds + 16-35 L at F2.8, and you have lots of pixels, but you probably don't even have 5MP of actual image info, and the corners just simply suck. And the whole world consists just of wide angle zooms? Try a 50mm prime for a change. -- The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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In article ,
Lourens Smak wrote: The funny thing is, the old 35mm lenses that you so desparately want to keep, don't even provide 11MP of image-information. (well, some of them do, at F8) I recently shot with the 1Ds + 16-35 L at F2.8, and you have lots of pixels, but you probably don't even have 5MP of actual image info, and the corners just simply suck. And the whole world consists just of wide angle zooms? Try a 50mm prime for a change. -- The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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Skip M writes:
Looked at an *ist the other day, that one's a little TOO small, at least for my hands, and my hands aren't all that big. Just bought an *ist. My hands are small--for my size (but I'm 6'2" and kind of chunky these days)--but I like all the controls except the jog dial. I have to use a fingernail to hit the arrows correctly. But with the menu set-up on here, unlike my Dimage 7i, the menu is used for basic set-up, when you've got plenty of time, so doesn't need much attention during most shooting. Charlie Self "When you appeal to force, there's one thing you must never do - lose." Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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