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Put your Canon Glass to Use With Your iPhone!
On May 20, 2018, Ron C wrote
(in ): On 5/20/2018 5:53 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2018 21:17:04 -0400, wrote: Eric Stevens: The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. Having lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa from 1966 to 1993, I have some small degree of awareness of poverty and deprivation around the world. Nonetheless, among all but the very poorest of the poor, by which I mean persons like those that Nachtwey photographed in The Sudan, smartphones are quite common, even where individuals can't afford them but groups of people or whole villages can afford to share one. I would regard a community which had to pool their funds to buy a smartphone as poor. In such a community there is no hope for an individual who wants to buy a smartphone or camera. Somehow this has twisted from my "1st world" problem/irritation to one of "3rd world" enrichment. I find it hard to imagine that any of these ultra-poor folks are likely to have any "Canon Glass" to use on their smartphones. To my point maybe check out Savageduck's comment in the " Which would more likely drive someone to a phone camera?" thread. Which comment? I replied to RichA twice in that thread, once to his OP, and once to his observation regarding the multitude of phones present at the Royal wedding. ....and I agree. I seriously doubt that a villager in Sudan, or the majority of the population in a country with as good a broadband infrastructure as South Africa, where mobile phone usage is relatively high, have too much Canon glass to attach to their phones. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Put your Canon Glass to Use With Your iPhone!
On 5/20/2018 7:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 20, 2018, Ron C wrote (in ): On 5/20/2018 5:53 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2018 21:17:04 -0400, wrote: Eric Stevens: The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. Having lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa from 1966 to 1993, I have some small degree of awareness of poverty and deprivation around the world. Nonetheless, among all but the very poorest of the poor, by which I mean persons like those that Nachtwey photographed in The Sudan, smartphones are quite common, even where individuals can't afford them but groups of people or whole villages can afford to share one. I would regard a community which had to pool their funds to buy a smartphone as poor. In such a community there is no hope for an individual who wants to buy a smartphone or camera. Somehow this has twisted from my "1st world" problem/irritation to one of "3rd world" enrichment. I find it hard to imagine that any of these ultra-poor folks are likely to have any "Canon Glass" to use on their smartphones. To my point maybe check out Savageduck's comment in the " Which would more likely drive someone to a phone camera?" thread. Which comment? I replied to RichA twice in that thread, once to his OP, and once to his observation regarding the multitude of phones present at the Royal wedding. ...and I agree. I seriously doubt that a villager in Sudan, or the majority of the population in a country with as good a broadband infrastructure as South Africa, where mobile phone usage is relatively high, have too much Canon glass to attach to their phones. Oh, I was totally thinking of the millions of "to show you're there" snapshots. My thoughts ran along the lines of "show you're there" vs "being" there phenomenon. ~~ Seems Davoud took it as a slam on being able to do anything good with a phone-cam. -- == Later... Ron C -- |
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Put your Canon Glass to Use With Your iPhone!
On May 20, 2018, Ron C wrote
(in ): On 5/20/2018 7:43 PM, Savageduck wrote: On May 20, 2018, Ron C wrote (in ): On 5/20/2018 5:53 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2018 21:17:04 -0400, wrote: Eric Stevens: The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. Having lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa from 1966 to 1993, I have some small degree of awareness of poverty and deprivation around the world. Nonetheless, among all but the very poorest of the poor, by which I mean persons like those that Nachtwey photographed in The Sudan, smartphones are quite common, even where individuals can't afford them but groups of people or whole villages can afford to share one. I would regard a community which had to pool their funds to buy a smartphone as poor. In such a community there is no hope for an individual who wants to buy a smartphone or camera. Somehow this has twisted from my "1st world" problem/irritation to one of "3rd world" enrichment. I find it hard to imagine that any of these ultra-poor folks are likely to have any "Canon Glass" to use on their smartphones. To my point maybe check out Savageduck's comment in the " Which would more likely drive someone to a phone camera?" thread. Which comment? I replied to RichA twice in that thread, once to his OP, and once to his observation regarding the multitude of phones present at the Royal wedding. ...and I agree. I seriously doubt that a villager in Sudan, or the majority of the population in a country with as good a broadband infrastructure as South Africa, where mobile phone usage is relatively high, have too much Canon glass to attach to their phones. Oh, I was totally thinking of the millions of "to show you're there" snapshots. My thoughts ran along the lines of "show you're there" vs "being" there phenomenon. That is what I feel about phone camera usage at events from concerts to royal weddings. They are tools to validate the user’s existence. Seems Davoud took it as a slam on being able to do anything good with a phone-cam. I have no doubt that good work can be done with a phone camera. However, just as it is with all other cameras, be they FF, MF, APS-C, M4/3, or compact, not every shooter is producing quality work, and camera phone shooters fall into the Instamatic class of snapshooter where most shots are banal, and few are extraordinary. ....but extraordinary work does exist. https://www.ippawards.com -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Put your Canon Glass to Use With Your iPhone!
On 5/19/2018 9:17 PM, Davoud wrote:
Eric Stevens: The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. Having lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa from 1966 to 1993, I have some small degree of awareness of poverty and deprivation around the world. Nonetheless, among all but the very poorest of the poor, by which I mean persons like those that Nachtwey photographed in The Sudan, smartphones are quite common, even where individuals can't afford them but groups of people or whole villages can afford to share one. In a similar vein, in the US we had multiple party lines and shared telephones in the hallway of apartment houses. -- PeterN |
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Put your Canon Glass to Use With Your iPhone!
On 5/20/2018 5:53 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2018 21:17:04 -0400, Davoud wrote: Eric Stevens: The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. Having lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa from 1966 to 1993, I have some small degree of awareness of poverty and deprivation around the world. Nonetheless, among all but the very poorest of the poor, by which I mean persons like those that Nachtwey photographed in The Sudan, smartphones are quite common, even where individuals can't afford them but groups of people or whole villages can afford to share one. I would regard a community which had to pool their funds to buy a smartphone as poor. In such a community there is no hope for an individual who wants to buy a smartphone or camera. I think your comment is a bigoted reflection of your colonial heritage. Do you still believe in the white man's burden? -- PeterN |
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Put your Canon Glass to Use With Your iPhone!
On 5/20/2018 8:21 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 20, 2018, Ron C wrote (in ): On 5/20/2018 7:43 PM, Savageduck wrote: On May 20, 2018, Ron C wrote (in ): On 5/20/2018 5:53 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2018 21:17:04 -0400, wrote: Eric Stevens: The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. Having lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa from 1966 to 1993, I have some small degree of awareness of poverty and deprivation around the world. Nonetheless, among all but the very poorest of the poor, by which I mean persons like those that Nachtwey photographed in The Sudan, smartphones are quite common, even where individuals can't afford them but groups of people or whole villages can afford to share one. I would regard a community which had to pool their funds to buy a smartphone as poor. In such a community there is no hope for an individual who wants to buy a smartphone or camera. Somehow this has twisted from my "1st world" problem/irritation to one of "3rd world" enrichment. I find it hard to imagine that any of these ultra-poor folks are likely to have any "Canon Glass" to use on their smartphones. To my point maybe check out Savageduck's comment in the " Which would more likely drive someone to a phone camera?" thread. Which comment? I replied to RichA twice in that thread, once to his OP, and once to his observation regarding the multitude of phones present at the Royal wedding. ...and I agree. I seriously doubt that a villager in Sudan, or the majority of the population in a country with as good a broadband infrastructure as South Africa, where mobile phone usage is relatively high, have too much Canon glass to attach to their phones. Oh, I was totally thinking of the millions of "to show you're there" snapshots. My thoughts ran along the lines of "show you're there" vs "being" there phenomenon. That is what I feel about phone camera usage at events from concerts to royal weddings. They are tools to validate the user’s existence. Seems Davoud took it as a slam on being able to do anything good with a phone-cam. I have no doubt that good work can be done with a phone camera. However, just as it is with all other cameras, be they FF, MF, APS-C, M4/3, or compact, not every shooter is producing quality work, and camera phone shooters fall into the Instamatic class of snapshooter where most shots are banal, and few are extraordinary. ...but extraordinary work does exist. https://www.ippawards.com Indeed it does. There are a lot of processing apps, some of which require skill to use, and others that are easy to use and simply process for the "gee wiz" effect. -- PeterN |
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On Sun, 20 May 2018 18:23:21 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: I was thinking more of the psycho-social impact where the experience is being supplanted by the need to document. I have no problem with great, or even spectacular photos are frequently captured on a phone. I do worry a bit about the seeming obsession to document life rather than live it in real time. The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. so what? they won't be buying a camera either. You shouldn't have snipped the final paragraph. And I was responding to "the stupidity" (although I wouldn't call it that) of the comment in the snipped paragraph. There are many parts of the world where the people are so poor that a person who can afford a smartphone or camera is regarded as wealthy. then they won't be choosing which one to buy, will they? Changing the subject again. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Put your Canon Glass to Use With Your iPhone!
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: I was thinking more of the psycho-social impact where the experience is being supplanted by the need to document. I have no problem with great, or even spectacular photos are frequently captured on a phone. I do worry a bit about the seeming obsession to document life rather than live it in real time. The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. so what? they won't be buying a camera either. You shouldn't have snipped the final paragraph. And I was responding to "the stupidity" (although I wouldn't call it that) of the comment in the snipped paragraph. There are many parts of the world where the people are so poor that a person who can afford a smartphone or camera is regarded as wealthy. then they won't be choosing which one to buy, will they? Changing the subject again. nope. as usual, you completely miss the point. |
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Put your Canon Glass to Use With Your iPhone!
On Mon, 21 May 2018 14:36:56 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 5/20/2018 5:53 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2018 21:17:04 -0400, Davoud wrote: Eric Stevens: The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. Having lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa from 1966 to 1993, I have some small degree of awareness of poverty and deprivation around the world. Nonetheless, among all but the very poorest of the poor, by which I mean persons like those that Nachtwey photographed in The Sudan, smartphones are quite common, even where individuals can't afford them but groups of people or whole villages can afford to share one. I would regard a community which had to pool their funds to buy a smartphone as poor. In such a community there is no hope for an individual who wants to buy a smartphone or camera. I think your comment is a bigoted reflection of your colonial heritage. Do you still believe in the white man's burden? I don't understand what you think your comment has to do with my comment about standards of poverty. I stand by my original statement that "The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone". That is an observation which has nothing at all to do with colonial heritage or the white man's burden. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 5/21/2018 8:06 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2018 14:36:56 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 5/20/2018 5:53 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2018 21:17:04 -0400, Davoud wrote: Eric Stevens: The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone. Having lived in S.E. Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa from 1966 to 1993, I have some small degree of awareness of poverty and deprivation around the world. Nonetheless, among all but the very poorest of the poor, by which I mean persons like those that Nachtwey photographed in The Sudan, smartphones are quite common, even where individuals can't afford them but groups of people or whole villages can afford to share one. I would regard a community which had to pool their funds to buy a smartphone as poor. In such a community there is no hope for an individual who wants to buy a smartphone or camera. I think your comment is a bigoted reflection of your colonial heritage. Do you still believe in the white man's burden? I don't understand what you think your comment has to do with my comment about standards of poverty. I stand by my original statement that "The world is full of genuinely poor people who can never aspire to owning a smart phone". That is an observation which has nothing at all to do with colonial heritage or the white man's burden. Please read again what you wrote. "In such a community there is NO HOPE......" (emphasis supplied,) Perhaps you did not mean that, but that's how it sounded to me. -- PeterN |
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