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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H
wrote: In message , writes On Jan 8, 4:50*pm, wrote: Palestinians Under Attack تعرض الشعب الفلسطيني في غزه لظلم رهيب على ايدي القوات الاسرائيليه Palestinians are exposed for horrible unfairness at the hands of Israeli forces. LOL!! So how are those thousands of rocket attacks aimed at Israeli civilians working out? Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on Palestinian civilians by the Israelis As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Period. I know a dead Pallie is worth more to the cause of the local death cult than even a dead Jew as propaganda, but really, how is it working out? About 100 dead Palestinian civilians fro very dead Israeli. Unlike the Israelis the Palestinians have been forced in to a Ghetto with no sanitation,. water and medical aid. And exactly why is that? Much like the Waffen SS did for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto No, nothing if the sort. The Nazis' goal was to rid the world of Jews. Israel's purpose in bottling up Gaza is simply to keep as many suicide bombers as possible behind locked doors. Hamas/Gaza Pallies chose this path for themselves and forced it on the Israelis. CRAP this was forced on the Palestinians by the Israelis. What did you think was going to happen when the Israelis created a Warsaw like Ghetto in Gaza and cut off the food, water, power and medical aid? What did you think was going to happen when those people have devoted their lives to destroying the state of Israel ever since it was created in 1947? What did you think was going to happen after thousands of rockets fired at civilians in Israel? You mean what did you think would happen when the Israelis created a pressure cooker of the Gaza Ghetto and started killing civilians. Israel was going to try to take away the ability of your death cult to fire those rockets. What else did you expect? That the Israelis wouldn't protect themselves? That they'd permit the ongoing rocket attacks in perpetuity? SO you don't expect the Palestinians to protect themselves as best they can from the IDF mimicking the Waffen SS? Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers has nothing to do with self protection. I wonder how the "arab street" would react if Israel were launching thousands of low-tech missiles on an ongoing basis into Gaza. Ah, I see. Actually they launch hundreds of thousands of hi-tech missiles into Gaza... about 100 for every one the Palestinians fire in response. Please be specific, how would you respond if your neighbor were constantly shooting bullets at your house and constantly denied your right to exist and nobody else would deal with the situation? All of a sudden the right to self-defense would be legitimate. I see. Absolutely... You are correct the Palestinians ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST ISRAELI AGGRESSION Well, Hamas and the Gaza Pallies have insisted on the current state of affairs, so why complain? If you look the whole world (bar the US) has condemned the Israeli actions You love death and you chose this. It is the IDF and Israelis who are murdering civilians. That's the propaganda. You keep swallowing it. |
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In message , Stephen Bishop
writes On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H wrote: Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on Palestinian civilians by the Israelis As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Period. With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously You have no evidence to support that but there is much evidence to the contrary from many independent sources. Several filmed by TV crews. Actually apart from the several documented and irrefutable incidents of the IDF shooing at civilians (and specifically children) and clearly UN targets the IDf does not really care one way or the other who is in the area if they want to fire at a suspected target. Incidentally I note the whole of the UN disagrees with you .... except the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians. I know a dead Pallie is worth more to the cause of the local death cult than even a dead Jew as propaganda, but really, how is it working out? About 100 dead Palestinian civilians fro very dead Israeli. Unlike the Israelis the Palestinians have been forced in to a Ghetto with no sanitation,. water and medical aid. And exactly why is that? Because the Israelis use Waffen SS tactics and do not care about killing civilians. In fact it appears to be intentional and orchestrated genocide of civilians. It fits the patter of the Israeli government and IDF for the last 60 years. Much like the Waffen SS did for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto No, nothing if the sort. The Nazis' goal was to rid the world of Jews. Israel's purpose in bottling up Gaza is simply to keep as many suicide bombers as possible behind locked doors. CRAP. The Israelis can say what they like it is what they do that counts. They are behaving like the Waffen SS Hamas/Gaza Pallies chose this path for themselves and forced it on the Israelis. CRAP this was forced on the Palestinians by the Israelis. What did you think was going to happen when the Israelis created a Warsaw like Ghetto in Gaza and cut off the food, water, power and medical aid? What did you think was going to happen when those people have devoted their lives to destroying the state of Israel ever since it was created in 1947? SO Genocide is OK when you steal land and kill civilians. SO you don't expect the Palestinians to protect themselves as best they can from the IDF mimicking the Waffen SS? Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers has nothing to do with self protection. Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to defend itself wit the few rockets it has,. I wonder how the "arab street" would react if Israel were launching thousands of low-tech missiles on an ongoing basis into Gaza. Ah, I see. Actually they launch hundreds of thousands of hi-tech missiles into Gaza... about 100 for every one the Palestinians fire in response. Please be specific, how would you respond if your neighbor were constantly shooting bullets at your house and constantly denied your right to exist and nobody else would deal with the situation? I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at hand. Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing civilians so I would not see any problem with firing back in similar manner. Which is what Hamas is doing as it's only defence against genocide. All of a sudden the right to self-defense would be legitimate. I see. Absolutely... You are correct the Palestinians ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST ISRAELI AGGRESSION Well, Hamas and the Gaza Pallies have insisted on the current state of affairs, so why complain? If you look the whole world (bar the US) has condemned the Israeli actions You love death and you chose this. It is the IDF and Israelis who are murdering civilians. That's the propaganda. You keep swallowing it. Sorry... As a military person who has been to the ME and members of my family (who are all WASP) who have been to Israel I have seen the reality. Also the film from independent news teams does not lie or is EVERY non-Israeli /US in the world that reports from Isreal lying and in a conspiracy? -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Period. With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously Just curious, but so what if Israel deliberately targets civilians. First, this is WAR. Second, Hamas intentionally targets THEIR civilians. Third, use of terror is a VERY effective tool in fighting a despot or a terrorist/rogue nation or group. The entire deal with Israel boils down to this: they have the right to exist, NO ONE has the right to declare that they intend to destroy them without inviting military retaliation. Moreover, Israel is the ONLY major world nation that has to continually justify why it has the right to defend itself against terrorist entities like Palestians whether it is the old PLO or the modern Hamas. As I've said, the OTHER major nations in the world AND the UN need to do one of only TWO things to resolve this: 1) take decisive action unilaterally or in a coalition to destroy Hamas and END the missile attacks which number some 3,000 in just the last year or 2) just stand back and let the Israelis destroy them. It makes NO sense to continually declare cease fires that neither side will obey just as it makes NO sense to continually force Israel and whatever Arab/Palestian terrorist group that wants to destroy them to the bargaining table. There can be ONLY ONE effective solution to the Hamas bombings - destroy THEM in the most brutal fashion possible as a deterrant to OTHER rogue nations or groups bent on their destruction. You have no evidence to support that but there is much evidence to the contrary from many independent sources. Several filmed by TV crews. Actually apart from the several documented and irrefutable incidents of the IDF shooing at civilians (and specifically children) and clearly UN targets the IDf does not really care one way or the other who is in the area if they want to fire at a suspected target. Let me see, what did the "civilized" countries do during, say, WWII. Oh, we bombed cities to the ground but worse, we bombed them with incendiaries that were ONLY intended to kill civilians and scare the **** out of those not killed. Very effective tool, intentional civilian casualties. Incidentally I note the whole of the UN disagrees with you .... except the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians. One more time: NO ONE gives a flying **** what the UN says or does. All the member nations are there only to look good and NOT to be an effective force for peace and goodwill. If you believe otherwise, then explain this: why doesn't this toothless tiger of all the countries who decry Israel's right to defend itself from civilian attack not form a coalition and HELP them destroy Hamas? And exactly why is that? Because the Israelis use Waffen SS tactics and do not care about killing civilians. In fact it appears to be intentional and orchestrated genocide of civilians. It fits the patter of the Israeli government and IDF for the last 60 years. Again, so what? ALL countries who fight wars intentionally kill civilians IF said civilians are within proximity to military targets and/or there is strategic or tactical advantage to terrorisg civilians in the hope they will stop the war within their own country. There has not been ONE war fought in the last several hundred years that did not fight this way. But, you Brits are entirely responsible for the mess over there by arbitrarily partitioning the old state of Palestine in 1947 intentionally stranding Jews on the new Palestian side and Arabs in the new state of Israel. And, Jeruselem, claimed by both sides, is on the wrong side of the partition line. It shouldn't be a suprise at all, but apparently is, that these people have been fighting BEFORE Bibilical Times, so what led you Brits to assume that the fighting would stop only because this time YOU and the UN caused it? What did you think was going to happen when those people have devoted their lives to destroying the state of Israel ever since it was created in 1947? SO Genocide is OK when you steal land and kill civilians. No, genocide is not OK, but this is NOT what is happening. As in all the wars and military skirmishes that the Israelis have fought since 1947, ALL had military purposes which were to STOP the Arabs, Palestians, Egyptians, whomever from attacking them. Since you like to quote the UN, the UN Charter permits ALL member nations to wage war in defense of their homeland. War isn't a pretty thing, which is why I detest the bull**** euphemism "collateral damage". So what if some Gaza civilians get blown up? They can CHOOSE to STOP supporting Hamas and THEN a cease fire will work. Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers has nothing to do with self protection. Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to defend itself wit the few rockets it has,. No, Israel should stop jousting with Hamas, invade them, attack them by air, and utterly and completely destroy them. They should take whatever land is due to them and fence off the rest. And, the Israelis should continue to attack and destroy ALL their enemies in the Middle East. The UN, your country, mine, all of them say they are allies of Israel but are really cowards since there's this thing called oil over there, and the Israelis don't have any but our allies, like those nice people in Saudi Arabia, do have it. So, why aren't you outraged that the Saudies, Kuwaitis, and others, are so brutal to women and run counter to the vaunted UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights? I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at hand. Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing civilians so I would not see any problem with firing back in similar manner. Which is what Hamas is doing as it's only defence against genocide. Why? Hamas is intentionally killing Israelis, don't they know they face devastating retalliation? Again, I say if the UN doesn't have the stomach to fix this, just stand aside and let the Israelis kill ALL the Hamas it needs to until they stop sending missiles into Israel. Sorry... As a military person who has been to the ME and members of my family (who are all WASP) who have been to Israel I have seen the reality. Also the film from independent news teams does not lie or is EVERY non-Israeli /US in the world that reports from Isreal lying and in a conspiracy? Again, so what?! Why doesn't YOUR country do something to HELP Israel by economic and political sanctions against Hamas and YOUR military forces to stop the missile attacks? Don't like that, then let the Israelis do it themselves. They DO have the right to defend themselves. Sherman said it best, "war is hell" and it doesn't really matter what form the casualties take so long as terrorism and aggression are stopped. -- Jerry, aka HP "Accuracy is the degree a measurement meets a known or true value while precision is the degree of reproducibility in the measurement itself" - Mathematical definition |
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In message , HEMI - Powered
writes Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Period. With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously Just curious, but so what if Israel deliberately targets civilians. First, this is WAR Thanks for clarifying that. So Israel has declared war on the Palestinians? . Second, Hamas intentionally targets THEIR civilians. That is not correct. Third, use of terror is a VERY effective tool in fighting a despot or a terrorist/rogue nation or group. We it worked against the US and seems to be having an effect against Israel The entire deal with Israel boils down to this: they have the right to exist, NO ONE has the right to declare that they intend to destroy them without inviting military retaliation. Quite so which is why the Palestinians are fighting back against the IDF/SS Moreover, Israel is the ONLY major world nation that has to continually justify why it has the right to defend itself Not at all. It is the only country that since day 1 has been on the offensive and tried to claim it was being defensive. against terrorist entities like Palestians whether it is the old PLO or the modern Hamas. Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. As I've said, the OTHER major nations in the world AND the UN need to do one of only TWO things to resolve this: 1) take decisive action unilaterally or in a coalition to destroy Israel and the whole middle east would settle down. Hamas and END the missile attacks which number some 3,000 in just the last year or Israel fire far more munitions into the concentrated civilian area of Gaza 2) just stand back and let the Israelis destroy them. The Palestinians have a right to exist in their homeland. I suggest were remove the Israelis from it. It makes NO sense to continually declare cease fires that neither side will obey just as it makes NO sense to continually force Israel Who want to destroy civilians and remove them from their homeland and whatever Arab/Palestian terrorist group that wants to destroy them to the bargaining table. Quite so. The simple option is to remove the interlopers who have been murdering civilians for the last 60 years, the Israelis, and leave the original inhabitants in peace. There can be ONLY ONE effective solution to the Hamas bombings - destroy THEM in the most brutal fashion possible as a deterrant to OTHER rogue nations or groups bent on their destruction. As far as most of the world including many Jews in the UK who spoke out this week end are concerned the rogue nation here is Israel except the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians. One more time: NO ONE gives a flying **** what the UN says or does. Only rogue nations say that. then explain this: why doesn't this toothless tiger of all the countries who decry Israel's right to defend itself from civilian attack not form a coalition and HELP them destroy Hamas? If you look the whole security council (except the US) decided Isreal was wrong. But, you Brits are entirely responsible for the mess over there by arbitrarily partitioning the old state of Palestine in 1947 I think you are right. We should never have permitted a Jewish state then there would not have been all this bloodshed. The problem is people confused religion with race. Do all Catholics have a right to live in Italy? Do all Moslems have a right to live in Saudi? Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers has nothing to do with self protection. Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to defend itself wit the few rockets it has,. No, Israel should stop jousting with Hamas, invade them, attack them by air, and utterly and completely destroy them. So you are advocating the slaughter of civilians? There are no military targets in Gaza. You seem bent on Genocide. They should take whatever land is due to them and fence off the rest. I agree... they should hand back ALL the land they have taken that was not theirs in 1946 And, the Israelis should continue to attack and destroy ALL their enemies in the Middle East. Then the ME countries should do the same to Israel and if the US even things about supporting Israel it will be the end of the US. Is that worth it? I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at hand. Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing civilians so I would not see any problem with firing back in similar manner. Which is what Hamas is doing as it's only defence against genocide. Why? Hamas is intentionally killing Israelis, don't they know they face devastating retalliation? Again, I say if the UN doesn't have the stomach to fix this, just stand aside and let the Israelis kill ALL the Hamas it needs to until they stop sending missiles into Israel. So your answer is invade and genocide. What if the friends of the Palestinians do the same... Russia, China, Iran, Iraq . France etc etc Again, so what?! Why doesn't YOUR country do something to HELP I would suggest we do help. Israel by economic and political sanctions Yep sanctions against Israel are a good idea. and YOUR military forces to stop the missile attacks? What shoot down the Israeli planes They DO have the right to defend themselves. Sherman said it best, "war is hell" and it doesn't really matter what form the casualties take so long as terrorism and aggression are stopped. Which is why Hamas the legally elected civilian power is fighting against the oppressors -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:57:50 +0000, Chris H
wrote: In message , Stephen Bishop writes On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H wrote: Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on Palestinian civilians by the Israelis As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Period. With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously You mean like your silly Waffen SS line that you keep repeating? You have no evidence to support that but there is much evidence to the contrary from many independent sources. Several filmed by TV crews. TV crews and "independent sources" have a habit of filming and reporting only what they want you to see. Actually apart from the several documented and irrefutable incidents of the IDF shooing at civilians (and specifically children) and clearly UN targets the IDf does not really care one way or the other who is in the area if they want to fire at a suspected target. I would think that is only because the Hamas militants don't care who gets in the way when they hide behind civilians. What do you expect to happen when they launch rockets from schools and store weapons in mosques? That Israel will just allow that to keep happening? Incidentally I note the whole of the UN disagrees with you .... except the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians. That's a completely irrational and stupid statement. I know a dead Pallie is worth more to the cause of the local death cult than even a dead Jew as propaganda, but really, how is it working out? About 100 dead Palestinian civilians fro very dead Israeli. Unlike the Israelis the Palestinians have been forced in to a Ghetto with no sanitation,. water and medical aid. And exactly why is that? Because the Israelis use Waffen SS tactics and do not care about killing civilians. In fact it appears to be intentional and orchestrated genocide of civilians. It fits the patter of the Israeli government and IDF for the last 60 years. Trust me, if a country with a military force as good as Israel's was interested in genocide, there would not be any Palestinians left alive in those areas. They would have been gone long ago. Much like the Waffen SS did for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto No, nothing if the sort. The Nazis' goal was to rid the world of Jews. Israel's purpose in bottling up Gaza is simply to keep as many suicide bombers as possible behind locked doors. CRAP. The Israelis can say what they like it is what they do that counts. They are behaving like the Waffen SS Hardly. Hamas/Gaza Pallies chose this path for themselves and forced it on the Israelis. CRAP this was forced on the Palestinians by the Israelis. What did you think was going to happen when the Israelis created a Warsaw like Ghetto in Gaza and cut off the food, water, power and medical aid? What did you think was going to happen when those people have devoted their lives to destroying the state of Israel ever since it was created in 1947? SO Genocide is OK when you steal land and kill civilians. You're making the statement that genocide is fact when it is nonsense. SO you don't expect the Palestinians to protect themselves as best they can from the IDF mimicking the Waffen SS? Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers has nothing to do with self protection. Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to defend itself wit the few rockets it has,. Hamas was shooting those rockets long before the IDF began their military action in Gaza. They have been targeting civilian areas, not Israeli military targets. You're a fool if you actually believe they are "defending themselves" by shooting rockets into populated civilian areas. I wonder how the "arab street" would react if Israel were launching thousands of low-tech missiles on an ongoing basis into Gaza. Ah, I see. Actually they launch hundreds of thousands of hi-tech missiles into Gaza... about 100 for every one the Palestinians fire in response. Please be specific, how would you respond if your neighbor were constantly shooting bullets at your house and constantly denied your right to exist and nobody else would deal with the situation? I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at hand. Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing civilians so I would not see any problem with firing back in similar manner. Which is what Hamas is doing as it's only defence against genocide. Except it is Israel who has been doing the responding to the constant barrage of rockets, not the other way around. All of a sudden the right to self-defense would be legitimate. I see. Absolutely... You are correct the Palestinians ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST ISRAELI AGGRESSION Well, Hamas and the Gaza Pallies have insisted on the current state of affairs, so why complain? If you look the whole world (bar the US) has condemned the Israeli actions You love death and you chose this. It is the IDF and Israelis who are murdering civilians. That's the propaganda. You keep swallowing it. Sorry... As a military person who has been to the ME and members of my family (who are all WASP) who have been to Israel I have seen the reality. Also the film from independent news teams does not lie or is EVERY non-Israeli /US in the world that reports from Isreal lying and in a conspiracy? Yes. There are people with axes to grind all over. The bottom line is that there will be no peace until the Muslims in that part of the world grant Israel the right to exist and stop the random terrorist attacks against civilians. Egypt and Israel negotiated peace and it has held. The other countries involved need to follow suit and then the Palestinian question can be addressed in a peaceful way. |
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:52:54 +0000, Chris H
wrote: against terrorist entities like Palestians whether it is the old PLO or the modern Hamas. Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. With just that one statement you've laid down your cards. Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel? |
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Stephen Bishop wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H wrote: In message , writes On Jan 8, 4:50*pm, wrote: Palestinians Under Attack تعرض الشعب الفلسطيني في غزه لظلم رهيب على ايدي القوات الاسرائيليه Palestinians are exposed for horrible unfairness at the hands of Israeli forces. LOL!! So how are those thousands of rocket attacks aimed at Israeli civilians working out? Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on Palestinian civilians by the Israelis As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Period. Just like dropping a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima didn't deliberately target civilians. -- Ray Fischer |
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