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Old January 12th 09, 10:25 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Jan 8, 4:50*pm, wrote:
Palestinians Under Attack

تعرض الشعب الفلسطيني في غزه لظلم رهيب على ايدي القوات الاسرائيليه

Palestinians are exposed for horrible unfairness at the hands of
Israeli forces.


LOL!!

So how are those thousands of rocket attacks aimed at Israeli
civilians working out?


Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on
Palestinian civilians by the Israelis

I know a dead Pallie is worth more to the cause
of the local death cult than even a dead Jew as propaganda, but
really, how is it working out?


About 100 dead Palestinian civilians fro very dead Israeli. Unlike the
Israelis the Palestinians have been forced in to a Ghetto with no
sanitation,. water and medical aid.

Much like the Waffen SS did for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto

Hamas/Gaza Pallies chose this path for themselves and forced it on the
Israelis.


CRAP this was forced on the Palestinians by the Israelis. What did you
think was going to happen when the Israelis created a Warsaw like Ghetto
in Gaza and cut off the food, water, power and medical aid?

What did you think was going to happen after thousands of
rockets fired at civilians in Israel?


You mean what did you think would happen when the Israelis created a
pressure cooker of the Gaza Ghetto and started killing civilians.

Israel was going to try to take
away the ability of your death cult to fire those rockets. What else
did you expect? That the Israelis wouldn't protect themselves? That
they'd permit the ongoing rocket attacks in perpetuity?


SO you don't expect the Palestinians to protect themselves as best they
can from the IDF mimicking the Waffen SS?

I wonder how the "arab street" would react if Israel were launching
thousands of low-tech missiles on an ongoing basis into Gaza. Ah, I
see.


Actually they launch hundreds of thousands of hi-tech missiles into
Gaza... about 100 for every one the Palestinians fire in response.

All of a sudden the right to self-defense would be legitimate. I
see.


Absolutely... You are correct the Palestinians ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES
AGAINST ISRAELI AGGRESSION

Well, Hamas and the Gaza Pallies have insisted on the current state of
affairs, so why complain?


If you look the whole world (bar the US) has condemned the Israeli
actions

You love death and you chose this.


It is the IDF and Israelis who are murdering civilians.

--
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/



  #2  
Old January 12th 09, 12:25 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Stephen Bishop
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Default Palestinians Under Attack

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H
wrote:

In message
,
writes
On Jan 8, 4:50*pm, wrote:
Palestinians Under Attack

تعرض الشعب الفلسطيني في غزه لظلم رهيب على ايدي القوات الاسرائيليه

Palestinians are exposed for horrible unfairness at the hands of
Israeli forces.


LOL!!

So how are those thousands of rocket attacks aimed at Israeli
civilians working out?


Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on
Palestinian civilians by the Israelis


As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not
deliberately target civilians. Period.


I know a dead Pallie is worth more to the cause
of the local death cult than even a dead Jew as propaganda, but
really, how is it working out?


About 100 dead Palestinian civilians fro very dead Israeli. Unlike the
Israelis the Palestinians have been forced in to a Ghetto with no
sanitation,. water and medical aid.


And exactly why is that?


Much like the Waffen SS did for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto


No, nothing if the sort. The Nazis' goal was to rid the world of
Jews. Israel's purpose in bottling up Gaza is simply to keep as many
suicide bombers as possible behind locked doors.



Hamas/Gaza Pallies chose this path for themselves and forced it on the
Israelis.


CRAP this was forced on the Palestinians by the Israelis. What did you
think was going to happen when the Israelis created a Warsaw like Ghetto
in Gaza and cut off the food, water, power and medical aid?


What did you think was going to happen when those people have devoted
their lives to destroying the state of Israel ever since it was
created in 1947?


What did you think was going to happen after thousands of
rockets fired at civilians in Israel?


You mean what did you think would happen when the Israelis created a
pressure cooker of the Gaza Ghetto and started killing civilians.

Israel was going to try to take
away the ability of your death cult to fire those rockets. What else
did you expect? That the Israelis wouldn't protect themselves? That
they'd permit the ongoing rocket attacks in perpetuity?


SO you don't expect the Palestinians to protect themselves as best they
can from the IDF mimicking the Waffen SS?


Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers
has nothing to do with self protection.



I wonder how the "arab street" would react if Israel were launching
thousands of low-tech missiles on an ongoing basis into Gaza. Ah, I
see.


Actually they launch hundreds of thousands of hi-tech missiles into
Gaza... about 100 for every one the Palestinians fire in response.


Please be specific, how would you respond if your neighbor were
constantly shooting bullets at your house and constantly denied your
right to exist and nobody else would deal with the situation?


All of a sudden the right to self-defense would be legitimate. I
see.


Absolutely... You are correct the Palestinians ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES
AGAINST ISRAELI AGGRESSION

Well, Hamas and the Gaza Pallies have insisted on the current state of
affairs, so why complain?


If you look the whole world (bar the US) has condemned the Israeli
actions

You love death and you chose this.


It is the IDF and Israelis who are murdering civilians.


That's the propaganda. You keep swallowing it.



  #3  
Old January 12th 09, 12:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Chris H
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In message , Stephen Bishop
writes
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H
wrote:
Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on
Palestinian civilians by the Israelis


As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not
deliberately target civilians. Period.


With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously

You have no evidence to support that but there is much evidence to the
contrary from many independent sources.
Several filmed by TV crews.

Actually apart from the several documented and irrefutable incidents of
the IDF shooing at civilians (and specifically children) and clearly UN
targets the IDf does not really care one way or the other who is in the
area if they want to fire at a suspected target.

Incidentally I note the whole of the UN disagrees with you .... except
the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians.

I know a dead Pallie is worth more to the cause
of the local death cult than even a dead Jew as propaganda, but
really, how is it working out?


About 100 dead Palestinian civilians fro very dead Israeli. Unlike the
Israelis the Palestinians have been forced in to a Ghetto with no
sanitation,. water and medical aid.


And exactly why is that?


Because the Israelis use Waffen SS tactics and do not care about killing
civilians. In fact it appears to be intentional and orchestrated
genocide of civilians. It fits the patter of the Israeli government and
IDF for the last 60 years.

Much like the Waffen SS did for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto


No, nothing if the sort. The Nazis' goal was to rid the world of
Jews. Israel's purpose in bottling up Gaza is simply to keep as many
suicide bombers as possible behind locked doors.


CRAP. The Israelis can say what they like it is what they do that
counts. They are behaving like the Waffen SS

Hamas/Gaza Pallies chose this path for themselves and forced it on the
Israelis.


CRAP this was forced on the Palestinians by the Israelis. What did you
think was going to happen when the Israelis created a Warsaw like Ghetto
in Gaza and cut off the food, water, power and medical aid?


What did you think was going to happen when those people have devoted
their lives to destroying the state of Israel ever since it was
created in 1947?


SO Genocide is OK when you steal land and kill civilians.


SO you don't expect the Palestinians to protect themselves as best they
can from the IDF mimicking the Waffen SS?


Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers
has nothing to do with self protection.


Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to defend
itself wit the few rockets it has,.


I wonder how the "arab street" would react if Israel were launching
thousands of low-tech missiles on an ongoing basis into Gaza. Ah, I
see.

Actually they launch hundreds of thousands of hi-tech missiles into
Gaza... about 100 for every one the Palestinians fire in response.

Please be specific, how would you respond if your neighbor were
constantly shooting bullets at your house and constantly denied your
right to exist and nobody else would deal with the situation?


I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at hand.
Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing civilians so I
would not see any problem with firing back in similar manner. Which is
what Hamas is doing as it's only defence against genocide.


All of a sudden the right to self-defense would be legitimate. I
see.


Absolutely... You are correct the Palestinians ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES
AGAINST ISRAELI AGGRESSION

Well, Hamas and the Gaza Pallies have insisted on the current state of
affairs, so why complain?


If you look the whole world (bar the US) has condemned the Israeli
actions

You love death and you chose this.


It is the IDF and Israelis who are murdering civilians.


That's the propaganda. You keep swallowing it.



Sorry... As a military person who has been to the ME and members of my
family (who are all WASP) who have been to Israel I have seen the
reality. Also the film from independent news teams does not lie or is
EVERY non-Israeli /US in the world that reports from Isreal lying and in
a conspiracy?


--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/



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Old January 12th 09, 05:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
HEMI - Powered[_5_]
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Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does
not deliberately target civilians. Period.


With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously


Just curious, but so what if Israel deliberately targets civilians.
First, this is WAR. Second, Hamas intentionally targets THEIR
civilians. Third, use of terror is a VERY effective tool in
fighting a despot or a terrorist/rogue nation or group.

The entire deal with Israel boils down to this: they have the right
to exist, NO ONE has the right to declare that they intend to
destroy them without inviting military retaliation. Moreover,
Israel is the ONLY major world nation that has to continually
justify why it has the right to defend itself against terrorist
entities like Palestians whether it is the old PLO or the modern
Hamas.

As I've said, the OTHER major nations in the world AND the UN need
to do one of only TWO things to resolve this: 1) take decisive
action unilaterally or in a coalition to destroy Hamas and END the
missile attacks which number some 3,000 in just the last year or 2)
just stand back and let the Israelis destroy them.

It makes NO sense to continually declare cease fires that neither
side will obey just as it makes NO sense to continually force
Israel and whatever Arab/Palestian terrorist group that wants to
destroy them to the bargaining table. There can be ONLY ONE
effective solution to the Hamas bombings - destroy THEM in the most
brutal fashion possible as a deterrant to OTHER rogue nations or
groups bent on their destruction.

You have no evidence to support that but there is much evidence
to the contrary from many independent sources.
Several filmed by TV crews.

Actually apart from the several documented and irrefutable
incidents of the IDF shooing at civilians (and specifically
children) and clearly UN targets the IDf does not really care
one way or the other who is in the area if they want to fire at
a suspected target.


Let me see, what did the "civilized" countries do during, say,
WWII. Oh, we bombed cities to the ground but worse, we bombed them
with incendiaries that were ONLY intended to kill civilians and
scare the **** out of those not killed. Very effective tool,
intentional civilian casualties.

Incidentally I note the whole of the UN disagrees with you ....
except the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians.


One more time: NO ONE gives a flying **** what the UN says or does.
All the member nations are there only to look good and NOT to be an
effective force for peace and goodwill. If you believe otherwise,
then explain this: why doesn't this toothless tiger of all the
countries who decry Israel's right to defend itself from civilian
attack not form a coalition and HELP them destroy Hamas?

And exactly why is that?


Because the Israelis use Waffen SS tactics and do not care about
killing civilians. In fact it appears to be intentional and
orchestrated genocide of civilians. It fits the patter of the
Israeli government and IDF for the last 60 years.


Again, so what? ALL countries who fight wars intentionally kill
civilians IF said civilians are within proximity to military
targets and/or there is strategic or tactical advantage to
terrorisg civilians in the hope they will stop the war within their
own country. There has not been ONE war fought in the last several
hundred years that did not fight this way.

But, you Brits are entirely responsible for the mess over there by
arbitrarily partitioning the old state of Palestine in 1947
intentionally stranding Jews on the new Palestian side and Arabs in
the new state of Israel. And, Jeruselem, claimed by both sides, is
on the wrong side of the partition line. It shouldn't be a suprise
at all, but apparently is, that these people have been fighting
BEFORE Bibilical Times, so what led you Brits to assume that the
fighting would stop only because this time YOU and the UN caused
it?

What did you think was going to happen when those people have
devoted their lives to destroying the state of Israel ever since
it was created in 1947?


SO Genocide is OK when you steal land and kill civilians.

No, genocide is not OK, but this is NOT what is happening. As in
all the wars and military skirmishes that the Israelis have fought
since 1947, ALL had military purposes which were to STOP the Arabs,
Palestians, Egyptians, whomever from attacking them. Since you like
to quote the UN, the UN Charter permits ALL member nations to wage
war in defense of their homeland.

War isn't a pretty thing, which is why I detest the bull****
euphemism "collateral damage". So what if some Gaza civilians get
blown up? They can CHOOSE to STOP supporting Hamas and THEN a cease
fire will work.

Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population
centers has nothing to do with self protection.


Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to
defend itself wit the few rockets it has,.


No, Israel should stop jousting with Hamas, invade them, attack
them by air, and utterly and completely destroy them. They should
take whatever land is due to them and fence off the rest. And, the
Israelis should continue to attack and destroy ALL their enemies in
the Middle East. The UN, your country, mine, all of them say they
are allies of Israel but are really cowards since there's this
thing called oil over there, and the Israelis don't have any but
our allies, like those nice people in Saudi Arabia, do have it. So,
why aren't you outraged that the Saudies, Kuwaitis, and others, are
so brutal to women and run counter to the vaunted UN Universal
Declaration of Human Rights?

I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at
hand. Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing
civilians so I would not see any problem with firing back in
similar manner. Which is what Hamas is doing as it's only
defence against genocide.


Why? Hamas is intentionally killing Israelis, don't they know they
face devastating retalliation? Again, I say if the UN doesn't have
the stomach to fix this, just stand aside and let the Israelis kill
ALL the Hamas it needs to until they stop sending missiles into
Israel.


Sorry... As a military person who has been to the ME and members
of my family (who are all WASP) who have been to Israel I have
seen the reality. Also the film from independent news teams
does not lie or is EVERY non-Israeli /US in the world that
reports from Isreal lying and in a conspiracy?

Again, so what?! Why doesn't YOUR country do something to HELP
Israel by economic and political sanctions against Hamas and YOUR
military forces to stop the missile attacks? Don't like that, then
let the Israelis do it themselves. They DO have the right to defend
themselves. Sherman said it best, "war is hell" and it doesn't
really matter what form the casualties take so long as terrorism
and aggression are stopped.

--
Jerry, aka HP

"Accuracy is the degree a measurement meets a known or true value
while precision is the degree of reproducibility in the measurement
itself" - Mathematical definition


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Old January 12th 09, 05:52 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Chris H
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In message , HEMI - Powered
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Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does
not deliberately target civilians. Period.


With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously


Just curious, but so what if Israel deliberately targets civilians.
First, this is WAR


Thanks for clarifying that. So Israel has declared war on the
Palestinians?

. Second, Hamas intentionally targets THEIR
civilians.


That is not correct.

Third, use of terror is a VERY effective tool in
fighting a despot or a terrorist/rogue nation or group.


We it worked against the US and seems to be having an effect against
Israel

The entire deal with Israel boils down to this: they have the right
to exist, NO ONE has the right to declare that they intend to
destroy them without inviting military retaliation.


Quite so which is why the Palestinians are fighting back against the
IDF/SS

Moreover,
Israel is the ONLY major world nation that has to continually
justify why it has the right to defend itself


Not at all. It is the only country that since day 1 has been on the
offensive and tried to claim it was being defensive.

against terrorist
entities like Palestians whether it is the old PLO or the modern
Hamas.


Hamas is not a terrorist organisation.

As I've said, the OTHER major nations in the world AND the UN need
to do one of only TWO things to resolve this: 1) take decisive
action unilaterally or in a coalition to destroy


Israel and the whole middle east would settle down.

Hamas and END the
missile attacks which number some 3,000 in just the last year or


Israel fire far more munitions into the concentrated civilian area of
Gaza


2)
just stand back and let the Israelis destroy them.


The Palestinians have a right to exist in their homeland. I suggest were
remove the Israelis from it.

It makes NO sense to continually declare cease fires that neither
side will obey just as it makes NO sense to continually force
Israel

Who want to destroy civilians and remove them from their homeland

and whatever Arab/Palestian terrorist group that wants to
destroy them to the bargaining table.


Quite so. The simple option is to remove the interlopers who have been
murdering civilians for the last 60 years, the Israelis, and leave
the original inhabitants in peace.

There can be ONLY ONE
effective solution to the Hamas bombings - destroy THEM in the most
brutal fashion possible as a deterrant to OTHER rogue nations or
groups bent on their destruction.


As far as most of the world including many Jews in the UK who spoke out
this week end are concerned the rogue nation here is Israel


except the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians.


One more time: NO ONE gives a flying **** what the UN says or does.


Only rogue nations say that.

then explain this: why doesn't this toothless tiger of all the
countries who decry Israel's right to defend itself from civilian
attack not form a coalition and HELP them destroy Hamas?


If you look the whole security council (except the US) decided Isreal
was wrong.

But, you Brits are entirely responsible for the mess over there by
arbitrarily partitioning the old state of Palestine in 1947


I think you are right. We should never have permitted a Jewish state
then there would not have been all this bloodshed.

The problem is people confused religion with race. Do all Catholics
have a right to live in Italy? Do all Moslems have a right to live in
Saudi?

Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population
centers has nothing to do with self protection.


Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to
defend itself wit the few rockets it has,.


No, Israel should stop jousting with Hamas, invade them, attack
them by air, and utterly and completely destroy them.


So you are advocating the slaughter of civilians? There are no military
targets in Gaza. You seem bent on Genocide.

They should
take whatever land is due to them and fence off the rest.


I agree... they should hand back ALL the land they have taken that was
not theirs in 1946

And, the
Israelis should continue to attack and destroy ALL their enemies in
the Middle East.


Then the ME countries should do the same to Israel and if the US even
things about supporting Israel it will be the end of the US. Is that
worth it?

I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at
hand. Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing
civilians so I would not see any problem with firing back in
similar manner. Which is what Hamas is doing as it's only
defence against genocide.


Why? Hamas is intentionally killing Israelis, don't they know they
face devastating retalliation? Again, I say if the UN doesn't have
the stomach to fix this, just stand aside and let the Israelis kill
ALL the Hamas it needs to until they stop sending missiles into
Israel.


So your answer is invade and genocide. What if the friends of the
Palestinians do the same... Russia, China, Iran, Iraq . France etc etc

Again, so what?! Why doesn't YOUR country do something to HELP


I would suggest we do help.

Israel by economic and political sanctions

Yep sanctions against Israel are a good idea.

and YOUR
military forces to stop the missile attacks?


What shoot down the Israeli planes

They DO have the right to defend
themselves. Sherman said it best, "war is hell" and it doesn't
really matter what form the casualties take so long as terrorism
and aggression are stopped.


Which is why Hamas the legally elected civilian power is fighting
against the oppressors

--
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/



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Old January 12th 09, 11:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Stephen Bishop
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:57:50 +0000, Chris H
wrote:

In message , Stephen Bishop
writes
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H
wrote:
Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on
Palestinian civilians by the Israelis


As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not
deliberately target civilians. Period.


With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously


You mean like your silly Waffen SS line that you keep repeating?



You have no evidence to support that but there is much evidence to the
contrary from many independent sources.
Several filmed by TV crews.


TV crews and "independent sources" have a habit of filming and
reporting only what they want you to see.


Actually apart from the several documented and irrefutable incidents of
the IDF shooing at civilians (and specifically children) and clearly UN
targets the IDf does not really care one way or the other who is in the
area if they want to fire at a suspected target.


I would think that is only because the Hamas militants don't care who
gets in the way when they hide behind civilians. What do you expect
to happen when they launch rockets from schools and store weapons in
mosques? That Israel will just allow that to keep happening?



Incidentally I note the whole of the UN disagrees with you .... except
the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians.


That's a completely irrational and stupid statement.


I know a dead Pallie is worth more to the cause
of the local death cult than even a dead Jew as propaganda, but
really, how is it working out?

About 100 dead Palestinian civilians fro very dead Israeli. Unlike the
Israelis the Palestinians have been forced in to a Ghetto with no
sanitation,. water and medical aid.


And exactly why is that?


Because the Israelis use Waffen SS tactics and do not care about killing
civilians. In fact it appears to be intentional and orchestrated
genocide of civilians. It fits the patter of the Israeli government and
IDF for the last 60 years.


Trust me, if a country with a military force as good as Israel's was
interested in genocide, there would not be any Palestinians left alive
in those areas. They would have been gone long ago.




Much like the Waffen SS did for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto


No, nothing if the sort. The Nazis' goal was to rid the world of
Jews. Israel's purpose in bottling up Gaza is simply to keep as many
suicide bombers as possible behind locked doors.


CRAP. The Israelis can say what they like it is what they do that
counts. They are behaving like the Waffen SS


Hardly.



Hamas/Gaza Pallies chose this path for themselves and forced it on the
Israelis.

CRAP this was forced on the Palestinians by the Israelis. What did you
think was going to happen when the Israelis created a Warsaw like Ghetto
in Gaza and cut off the food, water, power and medical aid?


What did you think was going to happen when those people have devoted
their lives to destroying the state of Israel ever since it was
created in 1947?


SO Genocide is OK when you steal land and kill civilians.


You're making the statement that genocide is fact when it is nonsense.



SO you don't expect the Palestinians to protect themselves as best they
can from the IDF mimicking the Waffen SS?


Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers
has nothing to do with self protection.


Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to defend
itself wit the few rockets it has,.



Hamas was shooting those rockets long before the IDF began their
military action in Gaza. They have been targeting civilian areas,
not Israeli military targets. You're a fool if you actually believe
they are "defending themselves" by shooting rockets into populated
civilian areas.




I wonder how the "arab street" would react if Israel were launching
thousands of low-tech missiles on an ongoing basis into Gaza. Ah, I
see.
Actually they launch hundreds of thousands of hi-tech missiles into
Gaza... about 100 for every one the Palestinians fire in response.

Please be specific, how would you respond if your neighbor were
constantly shooting bullets at your house and constantly denied your
right to exist and nobody else would deal with the situation?


I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at hand.
Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing civilians so I
would not see any problem with firing back in similar manner. Which is
what Hamas is doing as it's only defence against genocide.


Except it is Israel who has been doing the responding to the constant
barrage of rockets, not the other way around.





All of a sudden the right to self-defense would be legitimate. I
see.

Absolutely... You are correct the Palestinians ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES
AGAINST ISRAELI AGGRESSION

Well, Hamas and the Gaza Pallies have insisted on the current state of
affairs, so why complain?

If you look the whole world (bar the US) has condemned the Israeli
actions

You love death and you chose this.

It is the IDF and Israelis who are murdering civilians.


That's the propaganda. You keep swallowing it.



Sorry... As a military person who has been to the ME and members of my
family (who are all WASP) who have been to Israel I have seen the
reality. Also the film from independent news teams does not lie or is
EVERY non-Israeli /US in the world that reports from Isreal lying and in
a conspiracy?



Yes. There are people with axes to grind all over.

The bottom line is that there will be no peace until the Muslims in
that part of the world grant Israel the right to exist and stop the
random terrorist attacks against civilians. Egypt and Israel
negotiated peace and it has held. The other countries involved need
to follow suit and then the Palestinian question can be addressed in a
peaceful way.


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Old January 12th 09, 11:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Stephen Bishop
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:52:54 +0000, Chris H
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against terrorist
entities like Palestians whether it is the old PLO or the modern
Hamas.


Hamas is not a terrorist organisation.


With just that one statement you've laid down your cards.

Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant
rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel?


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Old January 13th 09, 10:00 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Ray Fischer
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Stephen Bishop wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H
wrote:

In message
,
writes
On Jan 8, 4:50*pm, wrote:
Palestinians Under Attack

تعرض الشعب الفلسطيني في غزه لظلم رهيب على ايدي القوات الاسرائيليه

Palestinians are exposed for horrible unfairness at the hands of
Israeli forces.

LOL!!

So how are those thousands of rocket attacks aimed at Israeli
civilians working out?


Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on
Palestinian civilians by the Israelis


As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not
deliberately target civilians. Period.


Just like dropping a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima didn't deliberately
target civilians.

--
Ray Fischer


 




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