Daily Telegraph Photo Competition

The Sunday/Daily Telegraph are running their annual photo competition. Has
anybody entered this? One thing that puzzled me about the rules is that they
say that both film and digital pictures will be accepted. However, they say
that in the event of a digital picture being accepted, "the original image
will be required".

What can that mean. Surely they don't mean that the original digital card
has to be preserved? Surely it's normal practice for the images to be either
printed or transferred to hard disc and the card re-formatted. What is the
original image in this context?.

"Mike O'sullivan" wrote in
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The Sunday/Daily Telegraph are running their annual photo competition.
Has anybody entered this? One thing that puzzled me about the rules is
that they say that both film and digital pictures will be accepted.
However, they say that in the event of a digital picture being
accepted, "the original image will be required".

What can that mean. Surely they don't mean that the original digital
card has to be preserved? Surely it's normal practice for the images to
be either printed or transferred to hard disc and the card
re-formatted. What is the original image in this context?.

It probably means that they want a copy of the original file as it came
from the camera, without any modifications done with computer software.
I don't know how they would enforce it, though.

--
Steve Gray

"the original image
will be required".

What can that mean. Surely they don't mean that the original digital card
has to be preserved? Surely it's normal practice for the images to be either
printed or transferred to hard disc and the card re-formatted. What is the
original image in this context?.

When I've entered newspaper contests (and won) I've sent them a CD with the
original JPEG file as well as the modified file I used for printing. This gives
them a chance to mess with the image to match their printing processes.

My image was used as part of their yearly calendar (I'm Mr. August! :). The
results were OK for newsprint, but nothing I wanted to hand out to friends or
relatives.

Earle Rich
Mont Vernon, NH

Right. Thanks that's a good plan. The DT rules say that "no computer
manipulation is allowed". I don't know whether "manipulation" includes
exposure adjustments for example.

Cheers
Mike



"ERich10983" wrote in message
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"the original image
will be required".

What can that mean. Surely they don't mean that the original digital card
has to be preserved? Surely it's normal practice for the images to be
either
printed or transferred to hard disc and the card re-formatted. What is
the
original image in this context?.

When I've entered newspaper contests (and won) I've sent them a CD with
the
original JPEG file as well as the modified file I used for printing. This
gives
them a chance to mess with the image to match their printing processes.

My image was used as part of their yearly calendar (I'm Mr. August! :).
The
results were OK for newsprint, but nothing I wanted to hand out to friends
or
relatives.

Earle Rich
Mont Vernon, NH

"Mike O'sullivan" wrote in message
...
Right. Thanks that's a good plan. The DT rules say that "no computer
manipulation is allowed". I don't know whether "manipulation" includes
exposure adjustments for example.

Cheers
Mike

To me, that would rule out a camera that only outputs RAW files, for
example, as you are making adjusts, manipulation of the exposure, contrast
and colour balance, when you convert the RAW files into e.g. JPEG image
format.

I presume they don't want computer manufactured images - removing that
blot on the landscape for example - but "manipulation" is a very generic
term.

Good luck!

David

David J Taylor wrote:
"Mike O'sullivan" wrote in message
...
Right. Thanks that's a good plan. The DT rules say that "no computer
manipulation is allowed". I don't know whether "manipulation"
includes exposure adjustments for example.

Cheers
Mike

To me, that would rule out a camera that only outputs RAW files, for
example, as you are making adjusts, manipulation of the exposure,
contrast and colour balance, when you convert the RAW files into e.g.
JPEG image format.

I presume they don't want computer manufactured images - removing that
blot on the landscape for example - but "manipulation" is a very
generic term.

Maybe an accurate rule would be that you are not allowed to do any
pixel-specific editing. ie you are allowed to process, but you must do the
same to every pixel in the image. This would allow tweaking of contrast,
exposure etc but rule-out touching up specific areas of the image.

"Mike O'sullivan"

The DT rules say that "no computer manipulation is allowed". I don't
know whether "manipulation" includes exposure adjustments for example.

From: "David J Taylor"

To me, that would rule out a camera that only outputs RAW files

I think it's EXACTLY the opposite, the only file acceptable as proof is the RAW
file since you can't edit that. At least that's the rule with the BBC Wildlife
Photographer of the Year competition and other high end competitions.

for example, as you are making adjusts, manipulation of the exposure,
contrast and colour balance, when you convert the RAW files into e.g.
JPEG image format.

Presumably adjusting white balance and exposure during RAW conversion is
allowed, but "manipulation" to them means no cloning (in or out) or cropping or
radical color changes. Some competitions ask for a jpeg to view and then
compare it to the RAW to see what you did to get there.

Bill

"Bill Hilton" wrote in message
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From: "David J Taylor"

To me, that would rule out a camera that only outputs RAW files

I think it's EXACTLY the opposite, the only file acceptable as proof is
the RAW
file since you can't edit that. At least that's the rule with the BBC
Wildlife
Photographer of the Year competition and other high end competitions.
[]
Bill

Whilst I can see what you mean, as you cannot view a RAW file without
"manipulating" the raw values into RGB, I can argue the other case! G

I guess "the judge's decision is final" will be in the rules somewhere....

Cheers,
David

Bill Hilton wrote:

I think it's EXACTLY the opposite, the only file acceptable as proof is the RAW
file since you can't edit that. At least that's the rule with the BBC Wildlife
Photographer of the Year competition and other high end competitions.

Hmmm... what if somebody wrote a little software which generates a RAW
image out of a JPEG image ? Should be feasible.
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If what you say is true Bill, Only the most expensive DSLRs can compete with
film. 10D Canon's and D70 Nikons all suffer from the same problems. Film on
the other hand, captures colour and detail missed 90% of the time with
digital. The whole digital thing is about manipulation.

Kakadu is photographer's Nirvana
Northern Territory, Australia
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"Bill Hilton" wrote in message
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"Mike O'sullivan"

The DT rules say that "no computer manipulation is allowed". I don't
know whether "manipulation" includes exposure adjustments for example.

From: "David J Taylor"

To me, that would rule out a camera that only outputs RAW files

I think it's EXACTLY the opposite, the only file acceptable as proof is
the RAW
file since you can't edit that. At least that's the rule with the BBC
Wildlife
Photographer of the Year competition and other high end competitions.

for example, as you are making adjusts, manipulation of the exposure,
contrast and colour balance, when you convert the RAW files into e.g.
JPEG image format.

Presumably adjusting white balance and exposure during RAW conversion is
allowed, but "manipulation" to them means no cloning (in or out) or
cropping or
radical color changes. Some competitions ask for a jpeg to view and then
compare it to the RAW to see what you did to get there.

Bill