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When does SLR start to make sense ?
Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: Have a look at Leica's V-Lux1 or its equivalent the Panasonic Z50. The lens has a 55 mm diameter and max aperture of F/2.8. IMHO, it might be a good reason not to buy a DSLR i.e. no lenses to change and no dirt on sensor issues. An SLR does have advantages over both, but then its film and not digital for instant gratification. regards -kamal Hi Kamal, Yup, I have an FZ50 in front of me right now that I have been testing. Nice camera but not the same as my 350D and just arrived 400D (I'm having the 350D converted to IR). The FZ50 is a lot noiser than the 350D and the electronic viewfinder is not a substitute for a real one. BTW the FZ50 is only f2.8 at the wide end. Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
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On 9 Oct 2006 05:58:07 -0700, POHB wrote:
IMHO the biggest difference between compacts and SLR is the same as it was with film, it is all about what-you-see-is-what-you-get. With SLR you look through a viewfinder and see what you'll get on the picture, with compacts you get a viewfinder that shows you roughly what you're pointing at providing you allow for parallax differences between the finder and the lens. With digital compacts you often don't even get a viewfinder and have to hold the thing at arms length and try to pick a shot from a blurry little screen that's lagging behind what the subject is doing and is hard to see in bright sunlight. With SLR you can use the viewfinder to focus (or see what the autofocus has done), check depth-of-field and capture the decisive moment. With compacts you point and hope. How convenient, that you avoided mentioning EVFs, which often come closer to showing 100% of what the captured image will be than many DSLRs. Many of the cheapest cameras using EVFs don't allow manual focusing but the better ones do, and some of those can focus quite well manually (unfortunately my S5100 is not one of those). |
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Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: Kamal R. Prasad wrote: Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: Have a look at Leica's V-Lux1 or its equivalent the Panasonic Z50. The lens has a 55 mm diameter and max aperture of F/2.8. IMHO, it might be a good reason not to buy a DSLR i.e. no lenses to change and no dirt on sensor issues. An SLR does have advantages over both, but then its film and not digital for instant gratification. regards -kamal Hi Kamal, Yup, I have an FZ50 in front of me right now that I have been testing. Nice camera but not the same as my 350D and just arrived 400D (I'm having the 350D converted to IR). The FZ50 is a lot noiser than the 350D and the electronic viewfinder is not a substitute for a real one. whats 350D and what is IR? Try the coresponding one from Leica. It supposedly costs $200 more -and Im not sure if that is without reason. BTW the FZ50 is only f2.8 at the wide end. yes -it is F/4.1 at full zoom. Does Leica have a better lens? Nikon has a lot of fast lenses, but none built into non-slr cameras, regards -kamal Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
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"D Russell" wrote in message ... I think that an SLR starts to make sense when you're really committed to spending a lot more money on your hobby. Since a crappy photographer with a £2k DSLR will take worse photos than a keen amateur with a £200 compact there's a lot to be said for buying yourself a nice compact first. See how much you use it, see what results you get, check to see if a DSLR really would offer you much of an improvement on what photos you've got then decide if you want to invest the extra money. For me a DSLR would help with manual focus, since i've not yet seen a really good manual focus on a compact, and taking photos of birds in flight the auto-focus just isn't fast enough, not even on most DSLR's. That and maybe a very long exposure setting for e.g. star pictures, or meteor trails. However I don't judge either of these conditions to be important enough to make the DSLR worth buying just yet. DSLRs have the distinct advantage that you can get a large number of different lenses that allow you to get extreme wide angles or telephoto shots. But there is then the disadvantage of having to carry several lenses with you and changing lenses quite often. With many DSLRs, changing lenses can open the way for the dreaded DSLR dust problem, which can cause unwanted specks to appear on your pictures. Some compact cameras have quite a large zoom range, such as 38mm to 200mm (in 35mm equivalent), but when you buy a DSLR, you often get a lense that covers just the 28mm to 70mm range, and you are then faced with getting another lense to get beyond 70mm. And often the lenses can cost a lot, so DSLRs are best suited to professional photographers, or very keen amateurs who have a sizeable budget to spend on photography! Also, when you are on holiday, for example, DSLR owners carry around large camera bags and this can be an inconvenience and a burden. Now that you can get 10mp compacts that also take reasonable movies, these make sense for many occasions for the amateur photographer. You can keep your camera in a shirt pocket without the need to even carry a bag with you. And when you put on a slide show, or make prints up to A3 size, they look great, so you have to be really dedicated to lug around a bag full of DSLR goodies with you. It's even worse if your bag has to include a sizeable camcorder as well, so a nice 10 mp compact that takes good stills and reasonable movies has a huge appeal to travellers in particular! |
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POHB wrote:
IMHO the biggest difference between compacts and SLR is the same as it was with film, it is all about what-you-see-is-what-you-get. With SLR you look through a viewfinder and see what you'll get on the picture, with compacts you get a viewfinder that shows you roughly what you're pointing at providing you allow for parallax differences between the finder and the lens. With digital compacts you often don't even get a viewfinder and have to hold the thing at arms length and try to pick a shot from a blurry little screen that's lagging behind what the subject is doing and is hard to see in bright sunlight. I have never had a problem with that. The 2 compacts I've had (Fuji F700 and Panasonic Lumix LX-1) have big high resolution screens that make picture composition very easy. And actually, it's the LCD screen that gives you "what you see is what you get". A viewfinder gives you no preview of what the picture will look like when you take it (in terms of exposure), but the LCD does. The "blurriness" of the LCD screen is only a problem with crappy low-resolution screens, and I suppose older people with poor close-up vision would have issues, too. I guess that's why you're talking about holding the camera "at arm's length", when that's not how you're supposed to do it. I hold the camera very close to my face when taking a picture, so I can see every little detail. With SLR you can use the viewfinder to focus (or see what the autofocus has done), check depth-of-field and capture the decisive moment. With compacts you point and hope. Again, if you don't hold the camera at arm's length, you can do the same thing on the screen - to a certain extent. But yes, you can check the focus much easier through an optical viewfinder. The other big advantage of an SLR viewfinder is it doesn't consume batteries, you can squint down the finder for as long as you like waiting for the child/wildlife/sunset to be in just the right position. With a compact LCD the clock is ticking. Yup, that's a big advantage of DSLRs. -Gniewko |
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When does SLR start to make sense ?
Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: Kamal R. Prasad wrote: Wayne J. Cosshall wrote: Have a look at Leica's V-Lux1 or its equivalent the Panasonic Z50. The lens has a 55 mm diameter and max aperture of F/2.8. IMHO, it might be a good reason not to buy a DSLR i.e. no lenses to change and no dirt on sensor issues. An SLR does have advantages over both, but then its film and not digital for instant gratification. regards -kamal Hi Kamal, Yup, I have an FZ50 in front of me right now that I have been testing. Nice camera but not the same as my 350D and just arrived 400D (I'm having the 350D converted to IR). The FZ50 is a lot noiser than the 350D and the electronic viewfinder is not a substitute for a real one. whats 350D and what is IR? Try the coresponding one from Leica. It supposedly costs $200 more -and Im not sure if that is without reason. BTW the FZ50 is only f2.8 at the wide end. yes -it is F/4.1 at full zoom. Does Leica have a better lens? Nikon has a lot of fast lenses, but none built into non-slr cameras, regards -kamal 350D is the same as the Canon Rebel XT, 400D is the same as the Rebel XTi, just a different name outside the US. IR is infrared, the part of the light spectrum beyond red that sensors are sensitive to but most digital cameras substantially block with a filter in front of the sensor. The FZ50 has a Leica lens, so I suspect the Leica model is the same. The $200 buys the Leica name on the body and the little red circle Leica logo probably Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ |
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When does SLR start to make sense ?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:21:48 +1000, Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
The FZ50 has a Leica lens, so I suspect the Leica model is the same. The $200 buys the Leica name on the body and the little red circle Leica logo probably A magazine review of an earlier Panasonic/Leica pair (several months ago - don't recall the model numbers) said that the cameras were identical except for the Panasonic's having more plastic vs. the Leica's all metal body, and the Leica version included more photo editing software. That probably accounts for $50, with the value of the red circle adding the remaining $150. |
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D Russell wrote:
For me a DSLR would help with manual focus, since i've not yet seen a really good manual focus on a compact, and taking photos of birds in flight the auto-focus just isn't fast enough, not even on most DSLR's. That and maybe a very long exposure setting for e.g. star pictures, or meteor trails. However I don't judge either of these conditions to be important enough to make the DSLR worth buying just yet. Ah ! I have never set a manual focus, and thought this was an old lost art, assuming that autofocus was always doing as good a job as could be done, so I had not thought of this one. Thanks. |
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