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Old October 19th 17, 12:59 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Mayayana
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Default Adobe moves the rental/service economy onward

"Rich A" wrote
|
| I wonder, if in the future, you'll need to purchase a monthly subscription
to run your camera body and will they cease to working if you try to sell
them? Trade-ins only?
|

If you buy it, they will sleaze.

What always surprises
me is the way that people drop software like a hot potato
over issues like this. Many people throw away perfectly
good computers because Microsoft told them they're
"no longer supported". In fact, people will drop products
simply because a version will eventually be no longer
supported, as is the case here. The author of the article you
linked (admittedly not very tech-literate) is planning
to look for new software because someday he won't be
able to use Lightroom anymore. That might be 10 years
away. In the meantime, he could learn how to use a
file system and learn about graphic file formats so that
he's not limited to Adobe's software training wheels when
the time comes to switch.

Anyone who needs "asset management" AKA finding-files-
for-dummies in a graphic editor shouldn't be advising other
people in media columns. They should probably be taking up
a less demanding hobby that doesn't require organizational
abilities.




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Old October 19th 17, 01:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Mayayana
wrote:

If you buy it, they will sleaze.


no.

What always surprises
me is the way that people drop software like a hot potato
over issues like this. Many people throw away perfectly
good computers because Microsoft told them they're
"no longer supported". In fact, people will drop products
simply because a version will eventually be no longer
supported, as is the case here. The author of the article you
linked (admittedly not very tech-literate) is planning
to look for new software because someday he won't be
able to use Lightroom anymore. That might be 10 years
away. In the meantime, he could learn how to use a
file system and learn about graphic file formats so that
he's not limited to Adobe's software training wheels when
the time comes to switch.


lightroom does way the hell more than directly using the file system
ever could.

Anyone who needs "asset management" AKA finding-files-
for-dummies in a graphic editor shouldn't be advising other
people in media columns. They should probably be taking up
a less demanding hobby that doesn't require organizational
abilities.


nonsense. power users need the capabilities of asset management apps.
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Old October 19th 17, 11:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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On 19/10/17 13:41, nospam wrote:

nonsense. power users need the capabilities of asset management apps.



I think any reasonable amateur (even one who shoots a lot of memories
with a phone) could use a DAM these days - the volume of material in the
digital age is immense and being able to rate it and pick it, and
keyword it, is invaluable to anyone who might want to put collections
together, print some or even try some retouching or effects.

For me, DAM is #1 - retouching is what I do when I have a set of good
candidates.
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Old October 20th 17, 12:31 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tim Watts
wrote:


nonsense. power users need the capabilities of asset management apps.


I think any reasonable amateur (even one who shoots a lot of memories
with a phone) could use a DAM these days - the volume of material in the
digital age is immense and being able to rate it and pick it, and
keyword it, is invaluable to anyone who might want to put collections
together, print some or even try some retouching or effects.

For me, DAM is #1 - retouching is what I do when I have a set of good
candidates.


absolutely.

what's even better is that with scene recognition and machine learning,
the need to manually keyword everything is going away.
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Old October 20th 17, 09:16 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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On 20/10/17 00:31, nospam wrote:
In article , Tim Watts
wrote:


nonsense. power users need the capabilities of asset management apps.


I think any reasonable amateur (even one who shoots a lot of memories
with a phone) could use a DAM these days - the volume of material in the
digital age is immense and being able to rate it and pick it, and
keyword it, is invaluable to anyone who might want to put collections
together, print some or even try some retouching or effects.

For me, DAM is #1 - retouching is what I do when I have a set of good
candidates.


absolutely.

what's even better is that with scene recognition and machine learning,
the need to manually keyword everything is going away.


At least in as much as "I keyword photo A" and the computer suggests all
similar photos in my collection and I chose which ones to replicate
keywords to. Ditto faces.
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Old October 20th 17, 03:22 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tim Watts
wrote:


what's even better is that with scene recognition and machine learning,
the need to manually keyword everything is going away.


At least in as much as "I keyword photo A" and the computer suggests all
similar photos in my collection and I chose which ones to replicate
keywords to. Ditto faces.


no. scene recognition can figure out what is in the scene for you
without needing to do anything.

for instance, you can query for paris in winter and it shows you just
that, without needing to have previously keyworded it. this capability
continues to improve and is better than humans in many cases.
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Old October 20th 17, 11:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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On 20/10/17 15:22, nospam wrote:
In article , Tim Watts
wrote:


what's even better is that with scene recognition and machine learning,
the need to manually keyword everything is going away.


At least in as much as "I keyword photo A" and the computer suggests all
similar photos in my collection and I chose which ones to replicate
keywords to. Ditto faces.


no. scene recognition can figure out what is in the scene for you
without needing to do anything.

for instance, you can query for paris in winter and it shows you just
that, without needing to have previously keyworded it. this capability
continues to improve and is better than humans in many cases.


Although I might prefer to be in control of the keywords chosen, and
merely have it recognise similar scenes.
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Old October 20th 17, 11:22 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Adobe moves the rental/service economy onward

In article , Tim Watts
wrote:


what's even better is that with scene recognition and machine learning,
the need to manually keyword everything is going away.


At least in as much as "I keyword photo A" and the computer suggests all
similar photos in my collection and I chose which ones to replicate
keywords to. Ditto faces.


no. scene recognition can figure out what is in the scene for you
without needing to do anything.

for instance, you can query for paris in winter and it shows you just
that, without needing to have previously keyworded it. this capability
continues to improve and is better than humans in many cases.


Although I might prefer to be in control of the keywords chosen, and
merely have it recognise similar scenes.


the user is always in control.
  #9  
Old October 21st 17, 12:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Tim Watts
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Default Adobe moves the rental/service economy onward

On 20/10/17 23:22, nospam wrote:
In article , Tim Watts
wrote:


what's even better is that with scene recognition and machine learning,
the need to manually keyword everything is going away.


At least in as much as "I keyword photo A" and the computer suggests all
similar photos in my collection and I chose which ones to replicate
keywords to. Ditto faces.

no. scene recognition can figure out what is in the scene for you
without needing to do anything.

for instance, you can query for paris in winter and it shows you just
that, without needing to have previously keyworded it. this capability
continues to improve and is better than humans in many cases.


Although I might prefer to be in control of the keywords chosen, and
merely have it recognise similar scenes.


the user is always in control.


Oh - there seemed to be a suggestion that AI would "just do it" - maybe
I misunderstood.
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Old October 21st 17, 01:17 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Adobe moves the rental/service economy onward

In article , Tim Watts
wrote:

what's even better is that with scene recognition and machine learning,
the need to manually keyword everything is going away.


At least in as much as "I keyword photo A" and the computer suggests all
similar photos in my collection and I chose which ones to replicate
keywords to. Ditto faces.

no. scene recognition can figure out what is in the scene for you
without needing to do anything.

for instance, you can query for paris in winter and it shows you just
that, without needing to have previously keyworded it. this capability
continues to improve and is better than humans in many cases.


Although I might prefer to be in control of the keywords chosen, and
merely have it recognise similar scenes.


the user is always in control.


Oh - there seemed to be a suggestion that AI would "just do it" - maybe
I misunderstood.


it just does it, and statistically with a higher accuracy rate than
humans, however, you don't have to use it and/or you can override it.
 




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