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Nikon-Non US Warranty-So?
How much does it matter about USA Warranties? Are these cameras
different? Are they made with different materials? What happens if they break? Is the warranty coverage only a year? How do you tell the difference between legit stores selling cameras with out the US warranties and and stores that never deliver the merchandise. If the warranty is for a year and the saving is 50%, it might pay to take the chance buying a camera that was sold to Italy first then here. I'm sure this is not the first time this question has been asked and I apologize for the repition but I would love to buy a D200 with a good VR lens. I just took pictures at a family wedding and I really think I could benefit from the VR but for better prices than you can do at B&H. What about a store like Abe's of Maine, which has been around for decades? Had it not been for the announcement of the D300, I probably would have had the D200 already. |
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Alan Calan wrote:
How much does it matter about USA Warranties? To whom? Are these cameras different? Possible, but unlikely. Although manufacturers have been known to sell the same product under different names or with different options in different regions of the world. Are they made with different materials? Even less likely. What happens if they break? Then they don't work any longer. Is the warranty coverage only a year? That depends very much on the dealer, the manufacturer, and the legal requirements in the country of purchase. How do you tell the difference between legit stores selling cameras with out the US warranties and and stores that never deliver the merchandise. That line may not be very sharp and often along "if we get it overseas then we have it, otherwise we won't deliver". If the warranty is for a year and the saving is 50%, it might pay to take the chance buying a camera that was sold to Italy first then here. Depending upon where "here" is you may have the same rights as when purchased locally and can even sue locally within the EU. A lot has changed in the last few years regarding online purchases from other EU countries. jue |
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Hi, This is a reply I rec'd from Nikon when I asked them about my UK bought
Nikon D80 that had a USA serial number. Bruce "Thank you for your correspondence. If after entering your serial number you may experience "Error 3; Incorrect model/serial number combination". In this case your camera does not have a European serial number. If this error appears your camera does not have a European serial number and you may have unwittingly purchased a grey import. Unfortunately, we are unable to govern the source of an independent company's product as this would breach free trade laws. We do recommend checking the product source with the retailer prior to purchase, and for your future information we list recommended retailers and online retailers on our website. At this stage, we would also recommend clarifying with your dealer your warranty situation, as we are unable to offer a worldwide warranty for our Digital Imaging products (internal components may differ due to localised operating systems, voltage requirements, radio emission laws, broadcast standards and software licensing). Warranties offered on these products are regional only and this is also the case for similar products from the majority our competitors. I would, of course, like to confirm that we will happily offer technical support for your product. For more information about Grey Market product click here http://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/c...ted=1034191368 If you have any further questions please contact us. Kind regards, Aled Thomas. "Alan Calan" wrote in message ... " How much does it matter about USA Warranties? Are these cameras different? Are they made with different materials? What happens if they break? Is the warranty coverage only a year? How do you tell the difference between legit stores selling cameras with out the US warranties and and stores that never deliver the merchandise. If the warranty is for a year and the saving is 50%, it might pay to take the chance buying a camera that was sold to Italy first then here. I'm sure this is not the first time this question has been asked and I apologize for the repition but I would love to buy a D200 with a good VR lens. I just took pictures at a family wedding and I really think I could benefit from the VR but for better prices than you can do at B&H. What about a store like Abe's of Maine, which has been around for decades? Had it not been for the announcement of the D300, I probably would have had the D200 already. |
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:37:47 -0400, Alan Calan wrote:
[in reverse order] I'm sure this is not the first time this question has been asked and I apologize for the repition but I would love to buy a D200 with a good VR lens. I just took pictures at a family wedding and I really think I could benefit from the VR but for better prices than you can do at B&H. What about a store like Abe's of Maine, which has been around for decades? I've never dealt with Abe's of Maine so I can't say for sure, but it sounds like the type of outfit that would be much more unpleasant to deal with than B&H, Adorama, Staples, etc. if there were any problems with purchased items. IIRC, B&H allows exchanges, store credit and refunds, where J&R only allows exchanges and it some cases, store credit. For other stores you'll have to do your own research. Everyone, not just you benefits from lower prices. But as B&H's and Adorama's prices are already pretty reasonable, you won't often save very much by shopping elsewhere, unless you're dealing with a sleazy outfit. I have no idea as to whether Abe's fits in this category or not. You can gamble with Abe's. I don't. If the warranty is for a year and the saving is 50%, it might pay to take the chance buying a camera that was sold to Italy first then here. The price difference is much, much less than 50%. Check B&H's online product lists which give different prices depending on whether the product is gray market (non-USA) or USA. Based on vague memory, it's probably close to a 5% savings. If the difference is much greater, it's probably not a new item. How do you tell the difference between legit stores selling cameras with out the US warranties and and stores that never deliver the merchandise. I don't know of any stores that never deliver the merchandise, but then I've dealt primarily with known entities. B&H, Adorama, J&R, Calumet, Staples, Circuit City, Buydig.com, etc. There's a ratings website that can give you a pretty good idea of the company's trustworthiness, but I'm not absolutely sure of the URL. It might be resellerratings.com How much does it matter about USA Warranties? Are these cameras different? Are they made with different materials? What happens if they break? Is the warranty coverage only a year? The cameras are the same. Same materials. If you're worried about the coverage, either because you didn't buy a USA market product or because you want to increase the coverage, you can get an extended warranty. B&H and Adorama sell Mack warranties, which vary in cost and length. Mack's 5 year extended, full coverage warranty was about $40 for Nikon's D50. It should be proportionately more expensive for a D200 or D300. If the camera breaks and it's not gray market and is longer covered by a warranty, you can see what Nikon's repair estimate will be, or you can try to sell it (as damaged goods) on eBay. I think that the warranty is a full year for all of Nikon's USA DSLRs and Lenses, except for the more reasonably priced non-Pro lenses, which provide extended coverage. Two examples of these are the 18-70mm DX lens and the 55-200mmVR lens. In addition to the regular 1 year warranty, they include a 4 year extension card in the box that should be sent back to Nikon very quickly. The boxes for these lenses are clearly marked on the outside with an image of a round seal, saying "5 years of protection included", and in smaller print "1 year warranty + 4 years extended service coverage" but unless the box is very close, all that you'll see is the large "5". |
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"Alan Calan" wrote in message ... How much does it matter about USA Warranties? Are these cameras different? Are they made with different materials? What happens if they break? Is the warranty coverage only a year? How do you tell the difference between legit stores selling cameras with out the US warranties and and stores that never deliver the merchandise. If the warranty is for a year and the saving is 50%, it might pay to take the chance buying a camera that was sold to Italy first then here. I'm sure this is not the first time this question has been asked and I apologize for the repition but I would love to buy a D200 with a good VR lens. I just took pictures at a family wedding and I really think I could benefit from the VR but for better prices than you can do at B&H. What about a store like Abe's of Maine, which has been around for decades? Had it not been for the announcement of the D300, I probably would have had the D200 already. Hold out for future price drops. Wait for the D400 because it will probably have more pixels and features and possibly even a lower selling price. Many Americans enjoy casinos and other gambling spots. You may as well look around for the really lowest price. I'm sure you will find some ad somewhere offering to sell for about half the price of Nikon's & lenses than the current going price. They might be a steal and save you hundreds.Or you might get suckered. Remember the three points of enjoying photography. Wait,procratinate,gamble. Paying a fair price from a camera store with integrity like B&H and getting the security of a legitimate camera imported by Nikon USA and being protected if the camera don't work is a suckers game. |
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In article kJqBi.1408$9T5.771@trndny02,
"Jürgen Exner" wrote: Are these cameras different? Possible, but unlikely. Although manufacturers have been known to sell the same product under different names or with different options in different regions of the world. Very possibly yes today. Cameras, and any other electronic product, sold in the EU since July 1 of this year must meet RoHS requirements as to the amount of certain chemicals in the product as well as the types of plastics used. Lead based solder is one banned substance. At this time RoHs does not apply to the US. So products sold in the US for US consumption can be made differently or contain different materials then product meant for countries in the EU. And then there are other difference like 220V 50Hz chargers rather then 120V 60 Hz chargers, the chargers could just need a different AC cord or plug adapter or they may not be compatible. Is the warranty coverage only a year? Warranty is the responsibilty of the distributor in each country. If the local distributor (Nikon USA) did not import it they don't have to honor the warranty if they don't want to. Nor do they have to repair it for a charge if they don't want to. You would have a warranty if you send the camera back to the distributor who imported it in the first place. Or with Nikon Japan if you sent it there. How do you tell the difference between legit stores selling cameras with out the US warranties and and stores that never deliver the merchandise. It is immediately obvious if the warranty card is not preaddressed to Nikon USA in NY or if the instruction book is not in English. Or if the camera is missing any of the items listed by Nikon USA as being part of the camera. Or by asking the seller if it is US or imported or gray. -- To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp. |
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Bob Salomon wrote:
In article kJqBi.1408$9T5.771@trndny02, "Jürgen Exner" wrote: Are these cameras different? Possible, but unlikely. Although manufacturers have been known to sell the same product under different names or with different options in different regions of the world. Very possibly yes today. Cameras, and any other electronic product, sold in the EU since July 1 of this year must meet RoHS requirements as to the amount of certain chemicals in the product as well as the types of plastics used. Lead based solder is one banned substance. At this time RoHs does not apply to the US. So products sold in the US for US consumption can be made differently or contain different materials then product meant for countries in the EU. Certainly true, although many (most?) manufacturers would probably try to avoid the additional cost of running two different production lines or switching the line between two different versions of their products. And then there are other difference like 220V 50Hz chargers rather then 120V 60 Hz chargers, the chargers could just need a different AC cord or plug adapter or they may not be compatible. Well, yeah :-) Forgot about that. jue |
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ASAAR wrote:
product or because you want to increase the coverage, you can get an extended warranty. B&H and Adorama sell Mack warranties, which vary in cost and length. Mack's 5 year extended, full coverage warranty was about $40 for Nikon's D50. Please excuse my ignorance, but isn't that more like an insurance you are talking about now? Maybe I am totally wrong, but to me there are two kinds of warranty: 1: the dealer is responsible that the goods he is selling are not defective 2: the manufacturer is responsible that the goods he is producing are free of material or manufacturing defects Both kinds are legal requiremens and inherent in any contract of purchase, no matter if it's a 5 cent piece of chewing gum or a 50000$ car. I cannot even purchase something without having this coverage (special cases like used goods etc. excluded). Now, if I have to pay for warranty, then it is not a warranty any longer but becomes a normal insurance, doesn't it? jue |
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:20:33 GMT, Jürgen Exner wrote:
product or because you want to increase the coverage, you can get an extended warranty. B&H and Adorama sell Mack warranties, which vary in cost and length. Mack's 5 year extended, full coverage warranty was about $40 for Nikon's D50. Please excuse my ignorance, but isn't that more like an insurance you are talking about now? Maybe I am totally wrong, but to me there are two kinds of warranty: 1: the dealer is responsible that the goods he is selling are not defective 2: the manufacturer is responsible that the goods he is producing are free of material or manufacturing defects Both kinds are legal requiremens and inherent in any contract of purchase, no matter if it's a 5 cent piece of chewing gum or a 50000$ car. I cannot even purchase something without having this coverage (special cases like used goods etc. excluded). Now, if I have to pay for warranty, then it is not a warranty any longer but becomes a normal insurance, doesn't it? It may be more like insurance, but it's sold as an extended warranty. There's at least a small bit of justification for it, since the way it operates is that when you buy, say, a 5 year extended warranty, you're not really buying 5 full years of coverage. You're only buying 5 years minus the length of the manufacturer's coverage. So with products that include a one year warranty, the 5 year extended warranty is only used to cover the product for years 2 through 5. It's also literally *called* an extended warranty, and anyone that tries to buy an insurance policy for their new camera is likely to get some odd stares. Now, if I have to pay for warranty, then it is not a warranty any longer but becomes a normal insurance, doesn't it? It does if that's the way you want to see it, but again, standard terminology is to call it an extended warranty. This isn't just done with cameras. Many computers, radios, TVs, and appliances are normally supplied with a one year warranty. The manufacturers don't say "Just ask and we'll give you a free two year extension on our warranty". Instead, they offer it for a fee. It would be a bit more logical to call these insurance policies, as you suggest, but that's not what they are called, at least here (USA). I suspect that part of the reason may be that if the extended warranties were called insurance policies, fewer would be sold. |
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It may be more like insurance, but it's sold as an extended warranty. Jurgen is right. The manufacturer offers a warranty; that is, it tells you its product is perfect and if it isn't it will fix it for free during the warranty period. Mack, on the other hand, offers insurance (however it may wish to call it); that is, for a cash premium it will get your camera fixed. Insurance being what it is, a gamble, Mack bets that your camera won't need fixing and you bet that it will. Guess who wins most of the time. In my view, insurance is worth buying only when a possible loss would far exceed the buyer's assets. Buy house insurance, liability insurance, health insurance, etcetera. Camera insurance? You're wasting your money. |
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