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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
The 40D is an upgrade on the 30D, no question. But it's no D200 and
so Canon continues without a real prosumer, semi-pro body. Your choices are simple; $1300 for the 40D then a huge jump of $1500 to the 5D, which itself is technically inferior (build wise) to the 40D!!! In addition, the creaky old plastic toy 400XTi still exists, sitting at around $600 with NOTHING above it until you hit the twice as costly 40D. |
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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
"M-M" wrote: RichA wrote: The 40D is an upgrade on the 30D, no question. But it's no D200 Why not? It's not a D200 because it's way better. Better dynamic range (14 bits), better sensor (Canon not Sony), better lenses (especially in the telephoto IS range, which is why you buy an APS-C camera), better upgrade path when you outgrow the subminiature APS-C sensor. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
David J. Littleboy wrote:
"M-M" wrote: RichA wrote: The 40D is an upgrade on the 30D, no question. But it's no D200 Why not? It's not a D200 because it's way better. Better dynamic range (14 bits), better sensor (Canon not Sony), better lenses (especially in the telephoto IS range, which is why you buy an APS-C camera), better upgrade path when you outgrow the subminiature APS-C sensor. It's true. Canon have what appears to be an unassailable position with vapourware, and looks likely to be able maintain that position for a number of days. (Also, I don't see the feature set downgrade from a 40d to 5d as being very desirable step in the "upgrade path") |
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"frederick" wrote:
David J. Littleboy wrote: "M-M" wrote: RichA wrote: The 40D is an upgrade on the 30D, no question. But it's no D200 Why not? It's not a D200 because it's way better. Better dynamic range (14 bits), better sensor (Canon not Sony), better lenses (especially in the telephoto IS range, which is why you buy an APS-C camera), better upgrade path when you outgrow the subminiature APS-C sensor. It's true. Canon have what appears to be an unassailable position with vapourware, and looks likely to be able maintain that position for a number of days. Huh? If you've been paying attention over the years, you'd know that Canon almost always coughs up actual product _much_ sooner after the press release than Nikon does. (This is not nessessarily a good thing; if you buy a camera and the new model is released the next week, with Nikon, at least you've still got 6 months with the current model even after the announcementg.) (Also, I don't see the feature set downgrade from a 40d to 5d as being very desirable step in the "upgrade path") You seem to have conveniently forgotten the 1DsIII (to say nothing of used 1DsIIs that'll be flooding the market shortly as the commercial studios jump on the 1DsIII). But the 5D will still be a small upgrade in image quality (although 12.7 is a pretty minor increment in resolution), a large increment in high-ISO performance, and a big improvement in WA performance (e.g. Stigma 12-24, Canon 24 TSE). And there will either be a new 5D fairly soon (probably 16MP, which is a big upgrade from 10MP), or the 50D will be full frame. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
David J. Littleboy wrote:
"frederick" wrote: David J. Littleboy wrote: "M-M" wrote: RichA wrote: The 40D is an upgrade on the 30D, no question. But it's no D200 Why not? It's not a D200 because it's way better. Better dynamic range (14 bits), better sensor (Canon not Sony), better lenses (especially in the telephoto IS range, which is why you buy an APS-C camera), better upgrade path when you outgrow the subminiature APS-C sensor. It's true. Canon have what appears to be an unassailable position with vapourware, and looks likely to be able maintain that position for a number of days. Huh? If you've been paying attention over the years, you'd know that Canon almost always coughs up actual product _much_ sooner after the press release than Nikon does. (This is not nessessarily a good thing; if you buy a camera and the new model is released the next week, with Nikon, at least you've still got 6 months with the current model even after the announcementg.) heh - lol yes. Nikon have a good history of keeping schtung, but I guess unsubstantiated rumours count as "pre-release" to some dedicated forum readers. (Also, I don't see the feature set downgrade from a 40d to 5d as being very desirable step in the "upgrade path") You seem to have conveniently forgotten the 1DsIII (to say nothing of used 1DsIIs that'll be flooding the market shortly as the commercial studios jump on the 1DsIII). Good lord - which firmware upgrade do you need to make that an "upgrade path"? Already DPreview forums are full of posts saying "shall I return my 1dIII and get a 40D?". BTW, real commercial studios use Hasselblads. But the 5D will still be a small upgrade in image quality (although 12.7 is a pretty minor increment in resolution), a large increment in high-ISO performance, and a big improvement in WA performance (e.g. Stigma 12-24, Canon 24 TSE). Where's Randall Ainsworth and Rita when you need them? Did you d/l the 40d iso 3200 raw files? They are unbelievable. And there will either be a new 5D fairly soon (probably 16MP, which is a big upgrade from 10MP), or the 50D will be full frame. The 50d will be 48x36? You made that up - didn't you? |
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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
frederick wrote:
BTW, real commercial studios use Hasselblads. And here _I_ thought a commercial studio was defined by it's ability to produce good enough images at good enough prices to stay commercial viable, instead of having expensive equipment (but being a commercial failure). But since you say so ... -Wolfgang |
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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
"Rita Ä Berkowitz" ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote in message ... frederick wrote: You seem to have conveniently forgotten the 1DsIII (to say nothing of used 1DsIIs that'll be flooding the market shortly as the commercial studios jump on the 1DsIII). Good lord - which firmware upgrade do you need to make that an "upgrade path"? Already DPreview forums are full of posts saying "shall I return my 1dIII and get a 40D?". Maybe this is the reason why the Mk III is going for $3,151 on the used market! It seems it is going to be a buyer's market for all things Canon in the next several months. This even defies the depreciation curve factored into the 18-month rule. http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ250154121512 That's a 1DIIn, you idiot. I'm sitting this one out while I enjoy my Mk III's high ISO performance. Canon did good with this beast. I can't wait to see what Nikon introduces next. The only thing Nikon could do of interest would be a FF sensor. Seriously, it's a great time to be into photography with all the great products being introduced by both Canon and Nikon. Well, Canon at least. But it's been a great time to be in photography ever since the Mamiya 7 and Nikon 8000, which run circles around anything 24x36. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
On Aug 20, 11:52 pm, "David J. Littleboy" wrote:
"M-M" wrote: RichA wrote: The 40D is an upgrade on the 30D, no question. But it's no D200 Why not? It's not a D200 because it's way better. Better dynamic range (14 bits), better sensor (Canon not Sony), better lenses (especially in the telephoto IS range, which is why you buy an APS-C camera), better upgrade path when you outgrow the subminiature APS-C sensor. So if the APS-C is "subminiature" what does that make the FF? Miniature? |
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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
"RichA" wrote: On Aug 20, 11:52 pm, "David J. Littleboy" wrote: "M-M" wrote: RichA wrote: The 40D is an upgrade on the 30D, no question. But it's no D200 Why not? It's not a D200 because it's way better. Better dynamic range (14 bits), better sensor (Canon not Sony), better lenses (especially in the telephoto IS range, which is why you buy an APS-C camera), better upgrade path when you outgrow the subminiature APS-C sensor. So if the APS-C is "subminiature" what does that make the FF? Miniature? Exactly. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Canon's gaping system holes STILL exist
"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message
... "Rita Ä Berkowitz" ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote in message ... frederick wrote: You seem to have conveniently forgotten the 1DsIII (to say nothing of used 1DsIIs that'll be flooding the market shortly as the commercial studios jump on the 1DsIII). Good lord - which firmware upgrade do you need to make that an "upgrade path"? Already DPreview forums are full of posts saying "shall I return my 1dIII and get a 40D?". Maybe this is the reason why the Mk III is going for $3,151 on the used market! It seems it is going to be a buyer's market for all things Canon in the next several months. This even defies the depreciation curve factored into the 18-month rule. http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ250154121512 That's a 1DIIn, you idiot. I'm sitting this one out while I enjoy my Mk III's high ISO performance. Canon did good with this beast. I can't wait to see what Nikon introduces next. The only thing Nikon could do of interest would be a FF sensor. Seriously, it's a great time to be into photography with all the great products being introduced by both Canon and Nikon. Well, Canon at least. But it's been a great time to be in photography ever since the Mamiya 7 and Nikon 8000, which run circles around anything 24x36. You're selling Nikon short. I've owned many cameras, and none are more functional or well built than my D200. Further, the enlarged feature set of the newly announced 40d are a direct response to the D200--you should write Nikon a thank you note and hope that they continue to produce exciting, high quality products. It's good for everybody. ps. I bet my Nikon still drives more nails than your canon... ;-) -- www.mattclara.com |
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