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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
I'm looking at a 50mm f/1.2 MF lens but the seller wants to sell the
body also, which I wouldn't mind if I could use my G lenses on it. Are the nikon F2 photomic and/or nikkormat EL pre-AI type bodies and will they be able to control a G lens with no aperture ring? I don't see either of those bodies on this chart: http://www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/other/compatibility.html This chart doesn't mention G lens compatibility: http://www.nikonlinks.com/unklbil/bodylens.htm Hmm, maybe I answered my question he http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf2/prisms/index6.htm "Some of the AI-spec Nikkor lenses introduced in later stages such as Nikon Series E lens family and ALL the current AF-Nikkor optics are NOT advisable to use with a non-AI camera such as the F2 Photomic, F2S and F2SB featured earlier (although they can still be mounted on the camera and in many instances, Stopped Down Exposure measurement is equally accurate)." and: http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikkormat/elseries/el/index.htm "EL was the first Nikon which provided Aperture Priority AE - in 1972" I'm still not getting a clear answer on the use of a G lens without an aperture ring though. |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
Paul Furman wrote:
I'm looking at a 50mm f/1.2 MF lens but the seller wants to sell the body also, which I wouldn't mind if I could use my G lenses on it. Are the nikon F2 photomic and/or nikkormat EL pre-AI type bodies and will they be able to control a G lens with no aperture ring? The F2 - depending on which version of the Photomic is mounted - may or may not be AI. IIRC the Nikkormat EL is not AI and the EL2 is - but I'm not sure of that. None of these classic Nikon cameras will work with a G lens (IMHO why use such junk anyway - meaning the G lenses?). Also, as far as I've heard, the 50 f/1.2 isn't an especially good lens (as opposed to the Noct-Nikkor of the same aperture). |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
"Paul Furman" wrote in message .. . I'm looking at a 50mm f/1.2 MF lens but the seller wants to sell the body also, which I wouldn't mind if I could use my G lenses on it. Are the nikon F2 photomic and/or nikkormat EL pre-AI type bodies and will they be able to control a G lens with no aperture ring? In the case of the F2, the finder determines whether you need AI or pre-AI. Which finder does it have? Neither body can control a G lens. Jim I don't see either of those bodies on this chart: http://www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/other/compatibility.html This chart doesn't mention G lens compatibility: http://www.nikonlinks.com/unklbil/bodylens.htm Hmm, maybe I answered my question he http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf2/prisms/index6.htm "Some of the AI-spec Nikkor lenses introduced in later stages such as Nikon Series E lens family and ALL the current AF-Nikkor optics are NOT advisable to use with a non-AI camera such as the F2 Photomic, F2S and F2SB featured earlier (although they can still be mounted on the camera and in many instances, Stopped Down Exposure measurement is equally accurate)." and: http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikkormat/elseries/el/index.htm "EL was the first Nikon which provided Aperture Priority AE - in 1972" I'm still not getting a clear answer on the use of a G lens without an aperture ring though. |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
"Paul Furman" wrote:
I'm still not getting a clear answer on the use of a G lens without an aperture ring though. The short answer is that G lenses are virtually useless on manual focus bodies. While in an emergency you might be able to record an image by using one, if you want to use the G lenses you're far better off buying an inexpensive AF body like an N/F75. -- Michael Benveniste -- Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $250. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
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Paul Furman wrote: I'm looking at a 50mm f/1.2 MF lens but the seller wants to sell the body also, which I wouldn't mind if I could use my G lenses on it. Are the nikon F2 photomic and/or nikkormat EL pre-AI type bodies and will they be able to control a G lens with no aperture ring? No. For G lenses you need at least a body that can control the aperture. If it is not AF, then forget about G lenses. Even if it is AF, you may be limited to program and shutter priority modes. -- That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
Chris Loffredo wrote:
Paul Furman wrote: I'm looking at a 50mm f/1.2 MF lens but the seller wants to sell the body also, which I wouldn't mind if I could use my G lenses on it. Are the nikon F2 photomic and/or nikkormat EL pre-AI type bodies and will they be able to control a G lens with no aperture ring? The F2 - depending on which version of the Photomic is mounted - may or may not be AI. IIRC the Nikkormat EL is not AI and the EL2 is - but I'm not sure of that. None of these classic Nikon cameras will work with a G lens (IMHO why use such junk anyway - meaning the G lenses?). I've got some very nice G lenses! 70-200/2.8VR 105/2.8 VR micro & a full frame Sigma 12-24, which I've seen used most often on a Canon 5D, it's the widest rectilinear full frame lens available. Also, as far as I've heard, the 50 f/1.2 isn't an especially good lens (as opposed to the Noct-Nikkor of the same aperture). Bjorn R. gives it an excellent rating among others. The 58/1.2 noct costs as much as a nice automobile and I'm looking at $40 for this so maybe I'll just get the EL for another $50 & re-sell it. They are asking $250 for the F2, who knows if it even works. |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
Paul Furman wrote:
Chris Loffredo wrote: Paul Furman wrote: I'm looking at a 50mm f/1.2 MF lens but the seller wants to sell the body also, which I wouldn't mind if I could use my G lenses on it. Are the nikon F2 photomic and/or nikkormat EL pre-AI type bodies and will they be able to control a G lens with no aperture ring? The F2 - depending on which version of the Photomic is mounted - may or may not be AI. IIRC the Nikkormat EL is not AI and the EL2 is - but I'm not sure of that. None of these classic Nikon cameras will work with a G lens (IMHO why use such junk anyway - meaning the G lenses?). I've got some very nice G lenses! 70-200/2.8VR 105/2.8 VR micro & a full frame Sigma 12-24, which I've seen used most often on a Canon 5D, it's the widest rectilinear full frame lens available. Well, if you're a Sigma fan... (and the Cosina/Voigtländer 12mm is just as wide and undoubtedly better) Also, as far as I've heard, the 50 f/1.2 isn't an especially good lens (as opposed to the Noct-Nikkor of the same aperture). Bjorn R. gives it an excellent rating among others. The 58/1.2 noct costs as much as a nice automobile and I'm looking at $40 for this so maybe I'll just get the EL for another $50 & re-sell it. They are asking $250 for the F2, who knows if it even works. I haven't used it, but everything I've read says that the Nikkor 50 f/1.2 is *not* a very good lens. A good sample of the Nikkor 50 f/1.4 should blow it away. F2 cameras tend to work indefinitely (with the exception of the Photomics - though they can be repaired). Ask yourself *why* you need or want a f/1.2 lens... |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
"Michael Benveniste" wrote
The short answer is that G lenses are virtually useless on manual focus bodies. The aperture is also not manually controllable on older auto-focus bodies like the F4 - auto-focus alone won't do. They can be used on cameras with shutter priority or program auto-exposure but only in auto mode, no bulb exposure or DOF preview. For G lenses in general you want a modern-style body with the control wheels and the LCD display on the top plate. SOW [SOW, is 'speaking of which' a GDA?], is there a Nikon body that has proper DOF preview in auto exposure mode? -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
"Paul Furman" wrote in message .. . ). Bjorn R. gives it an excellent rating among others. The 58/1.2 noct costs as much as a nice automobile and I'm looking at $40 for this so maybe I'll just get the EL for another $50 & re-sell it. They are asking $250 for the F2, who knows if it even works. My F2 with DP-1 finder definitely still works. These cameras are very very rugged. For that matter, I also own an S2 whose serial number and cosmetics place it as a 1955 model. It still works as well as it ever did. Jim |
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Nikon F2 photomic & nikkormat EL are pre-AI?
Chris Loffredo wrote:
Paul Furman wrote: Chris Loffredo wrote: Paul Furman wrote: I've got some very nice G lenses! 70-200/2.8VR 105/2.8 VR micro & a full frame Sigma 12-24, which I've seen used most often on a Canon 5D, it's the widest rectilinear full frame lens available. Well, if you're a Sigma fan... (and the Cosina/Voigtländer 12mm is just as wide and undoubtedly better) Well, that's a rangefinder. Also, as far as I've heard, the 50 f/1.2 isn't an especially good lens (as opposed to the Noct-Nikkor of the same aperture). Bjorn R. gives it an excellent rating among others. The 58/1.2 noct costs as much as a nice automobile and I'm looking at $40 for this so maybe I'll just get the EL for another $50 & re-sell it. They are asking $250 for the F2, who knows if it even works. I haven't used it, but everything I've read says that the Nikkor 50 f/1.2 is *not* a very good lens. A good sample of the Nikkor 50 f/1.4 should blow it away. It's supposed to have quite nice bokeh. It's supposed to handle flare quite well for it's class too. Oddly the 58/noct rates poorer on this MTF chart: http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetc...id=00Ew8i&tag= Ask yourself *why* you need or want a f/1.2 lens... Low light shooting of course, street shooting & in the woods. It should make a great '75mm' portrait lens. Could be handy reversed on the 105 macro, less vignetting, lots of interesting possibilities. Closeups with an extension tube even (better light for focus control). And only $40! |
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