Wishing To Go DSLR

Just Shoot Me wrote:

"Paul Furman" wrote

24mm (35mm full frame equivalent) is 16mm on Nikon, 15 on canon. The Nikon
12-24 is similar to the Canon 10-22, the 16-18+ zooms are not quite in
that range, and the good ones are quite expensive.

I don't want them to be thinking the rooms are much bigger than they are
and feel 24mm gives a good middle ground.

"24mm (35mm full frame equivalent) is 16mm on Nikon DSLR, 15 on canon DSLR"
I added the DSLR to what you wrote just to make sure I understand.
I don't really need a large range if its going to take away from my goal of
getting the same amount of space that my 24mm gets.

You are reading it right. For interior architectural work, you seem to
be getting by with 24mm but most pros doing that kind of work like to
get wider.

I also have a friend that is going to help me once I get the camera but I
can tell or feel in here I will get the best help in choosing a camera.
She recommended the Canon 20D

Here's a sample shot someone posted claiming their P&S looks bvetter
than a 20D:
http://edgehill.net/Misc/photography/20d-fz50
The compact is more contrasty & saturated (might look better reduced)
but the detail is all smeared & the highlights are blown. That's a
rather extreme example but a DSLR will really provide better quality in
the ways demonstrated there.

I loved looking at your pictures that you posted with different camera's.
if I had a wish I would love to see a picture taken with my camera on a
tri-pod
and the same exact picture taken with a $2,000 DSLR set up. I might be able
to do $2,500
I would love to set up a site to show you the pictures I am taking and some
of the problems I am having.
I also work with Adobe Photoshop Elements 4.0

some places have beautiful gardens right out the window and when I get the
room just right I am unable to see out the window
it just looks like lol I big shiny light from heaven.

You can take two exposures & merge them manually or with the HRD
function in full photoshop. That is asking a lot from a camera. Flash
could help too but as I said, easy to make a mess with flash.

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:11:57 -0400, "Yoshi" wrote:

Don Wiss wrote;

Your 8400 is brain dead.

A moronic generalization. I suspect the poster is "brain dead" The Coolpix
8400 is a highly capable camera and encouraging people to buy more and more
equipment to feed some neurotic camera aquisition syndrome is doing them a
disservice.

I gather you do not own an 8400. I do. The 8400 is brain dead. It does not
have image stabilization. It appears that the programmers shared code with
its sibling camera, the 8800, which does have image stabilization. When the
light gets low the 8400 slows down the shutter thinking the image
stabilization can handle it. After it gets way too slow to hand hold it
then starts to up the ISO.

Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Just Shoot Me wrote:
Sorry if I do not know all the information to give. I did just think of
something from reading another post.
my pictures will be for use on PC,

so megapixels won't matter, since even a 1600x1200 screen
only shows 2 MPix.

Or are you talking about something different?

mostly for the furniture and the layout and not people.

i.e. high ISO does not matter, simply use a tripod.

-Wolfgang

Just Shoot Me wrote:

I only do indoor photography and don't mind working with a tri-pod.
$2,000 is what I can spend total on a new DSLR, Shoe Flash? and a New
Tri-pod.

What would the flash be for?

I like wide angle but not curved pictures,

If that's the primary requirement, choose a lens and then the
body for it. _Any_ DSLR should do for the requirements you
have stated.

Something user friendly.

That's a relative term.
Hold the body in your own hands.
See how it feels for you.

-Wolfgang

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:16:35 GMT, Just Shoot Me wrote:

The Nkon D40 with its kit lens (18 - 55mm) has a similar effective focal
length range to your 8400, and is available in both 6MP (D40) and 10MP
(D40x) versions. The wide-angle end is not quite as wide. Should you
wish for more telephoto, add the 55-200mm VR lens. This is all
good-quality but quite lightweight kit and easy to carry around. For
real-estate, you might want to add an even wider wide-angle lens. Might
not cost more than US $530 for camera and kit lens - for example

http://www.adorama.com/INKD40K.html

David

on a camera like can I put one of those bigger flashes that points up?
I was told in some cases that will come in handy.

Yes, but that has its limitations. The color of the ceiling could
affect the picture's color balance, and if it's high or dark, might
not reflect enough light. A single flash may often result in uneven
light distribution, resulting in overexposure of near objects, and
the room's corners being too dark. Two or three judiciously placed
remote flashes can be a big help, and here Nikon's speedlights are
better than most in simplifying the job. The main catch is that the
camera's flash is the 'master', controlling/coordinating the other
speedlights. The built-in flash of Nikon's cheaper DSLRs won't
function as a 'master', so you'd need to attach an SB-800 to the
camera, and it would then be able to control the other speedlights.

Just Shoot Me wrote:

One model that caught my eye is the Canon EOS-1D Mark II N.

Over your budget, and way overspecced for your needs (as you
described them and I understand them so far). That's buying
a NASCAR racer to fetch cigarettes round the corner.

A friend did recommend the Canon 20D.

Good camera.
However, the 10D, the D60 and the D30 should also do for your task.
But do try them out before you commit yourself.

Because I travel a lot I would like one that
is pretty strong.

Better buy a good camera bag to protect and carry it.
Also add in a few CF cards and whatever software you may want
or need for post-processing, cataloging, archiving, ...

-Wolfgang

"Don Wiss" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:11:57 -0400, "Yoshi" wrote:


I gather you do not own an 8400. I do. The 8400 is brain dead. It does not
have image stabilization. It appears that the programmers shared code with
its sibling camera, the 8800, which does have image stabilization. When
the
light gets low the 8400 slows down the shutter thinking the image
stabilization can handle it. After it gets way too slow to hand hold it
then starts to up the ISO.

Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

I gather you do not own a brain.

Just Shoot Me wrote:
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Thank you David. I have seen cameras with the 1600 ISO but always
wondered what the noise
would be like if I set up both cameras at 400. that would be a lot
of noise my camera.

Jenny

With a DSLR, certainly the Nikon D40, ISO 1600 produces only slightly
noisy images, certainly if you are displaying on a PC.

Some of the indoor images here will fit into that category - for display
they have a maximum size of 1024 pixels in one dimension but were taken at
the full 6MP resolution.

http://david-taylor.fotopic.net/c1322695.html

David

This group has been great and I am thankful.
I took a bunch of new pictures today some in Manual no flash and some with
some flash in
Auto.
do any of you ever look at any of the binary photo groups? if I posted a
few pics after I resize them
in photo shop would you look at them? I would love to be able to explain
what I was thinking and why I set the camera up
the way I did for those shots.

after I edit the pictures and upload them I will get back to the camera
recommendations.

Thanks also to those that recommend that I let myself be able to get wider
than the 24mm 35 equiv
because I think now I would like that.

Jenny

It is alleged that Paul Furman claimed:

Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

It is alleged that Paul Furman claimed:

The tripod doesn't matter for interiors with a wide angle, you just want
a cable release instead of an infrared remote.

Why? Is it the placement of the sensor? Or something else?

A heavy tripod is for big lenses outside in the wind. Indoors with a

Um, no. "Why" regarding a cable release instead of an IR remote.

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