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Whats a good *free* plugin or tutorial for converting color to Black and White?
I'm currently working on my midterm project for my photography class at the
local Uni. Im trying to convert some color photos into Black and White. Most of my efforts look okay to me, but upon critiques from other people (whos work I admire and like), Im usually told the tones look muddy. Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. I dont mind doing it manually myself if I could find a good (easy for the layman to understand) tutorial using either of the afore mentioned tutorials to guide me through it. Thanks, |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:29:53 GMT, GamePlayer No. 1058
wrote: I'm currently working on my midterm project for my photography class at the local Uni. Im trying to convert some color photos into Black and White. Most of my efforts look okay to me, but upon critiques from other people (whos work I admire and like), Im usually told the tones look muddy. How about posting some of your efforts so we can see for ourselves? How have you been doing it? Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. I've looked into the same question, and there are a LOT of methods. One really simple one is to convert to LAB color, then throw out the A and B channels. Another is to use the Channel Mixer with monochrome output. Here, you choose which channel(s) to use. I recommend emphasizing the green channel. Afterwards, play with levels or contrast or curves to bring up the contrast. Pay close attention to the histogram, so as not to clip highlights or shadows -- or at least so that when you do clip, you do so advisedly. Here are a few images I've made this way: http://narcissus.net/hoopy-plus-10-mid-1.06.jpg http://narcissus.net/gulp.jpg http://narcissus.net/BAM.jpg In the end, the best images all seem to come from experimentation and unique adjustments ... but I'm hoping that as I get better at this, I'll find repeatable procedures for good results. Regards, -- Ben Rosengart (212) 741-4400 x215 Sometimes it only makes sense to focus our attention on those questions that are equal parts trivial and intriguing. --Josh Micah Marshall |
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GamePlayer No. 1058 wrote:
I'm currently working on my midterm project for my photography class at the local Uni. Im trying to convert some color photos into Black and White. Most of my efforts look okay to me, but upon critiques from other people (whos work I admire and like), Im usually told the tones look muddy. Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. I dont mind doing it manually myself if I could find a good (easy for the layman to understand) tutorial using either of the afore mentioned tutorials to guide me through it. Here's my favorite way to do it in Photoshop (I have Elements 2, but most other versions should work, too): Open a photo in PS. Add an adjustment layer for levels. Leave it alone for now (just click OK). Add an adjustment level for hue/saturation. Turn saturation down to -100 and leave the rest of the sliders alone. This will make the image monochrome. Now go back to the levels adjustment layer (double-click on it to get the level adjustment dialog) and change the gamma for the different colors (R, G, and B). Play around with them. This is where you can really tweak whatever problems you're having with 'muddiness.' The benefit of this is that it's completely undoable and reversible. If you find a setting you like and want to keep it, you can just make it invisible and add another levels adjustment layer for further tweaking. |
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"Paul Mitchum" wrote in message ... GamePlayer No. 1058 wrote: I'm currently working on my midterm project for my photography class at the local Uni. Im trying to convert some color photos into Black and White. Most of my efforts look okay to me, but upon critiques from other people (whos work I admire and like), Im usually told the tones look muddy. Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. I dont mind doing it manually myself if I could find a good (easy for the layman to understand) tutorial using either of the afore mentioned tutorials to guide me through it. Here's my favorite way to do it in Photoshop (I have Elements 2, but most other versions should work, too): Open a photo in PS. Add an adjustment layer for levels. Leave it alone for now (just click OK). Add an adjustment level for hue/saturation. Turn saturation down to -100 and leave the rest of the sliders alone. This will make the image monochrome. Now go back to the levels adjustment layer (double-click on it to get the level adjustment dialog) and change the gamma for the different colors (R, G, and B). Play around with them. This is where you can really tweak whatever problems you're having with 'muddiness.' The benefit of this is that it's completely undoable and reversible. If you find a setting you like and want to keep it, you can just make it invisible and add another levels adjustment layer for further tweaking. What a great tip! I just tried it and it works wonderfully. Thanks for posting it. |
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"GamePlayer No. 1058" wrote
I'm currently working on my midterm project for my photography class at the local Uni. Im trying to convert some color photos into Black and White. snip Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. Try the free Virtual Photography plug-in from optikVerve Labs http://www.optikvervelabs.com/ . It offers a variety of black and white conversion options that I have found most useful. |
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"GamePlayer No. 1058" writes:
I'm currently working on my midterm project for my photography class at the local Uni. Im trying to convert some color photos into Black and White. Most of my efforts look okay to me, but upon critiques from other people (whos work I admire and like), Im usually told the tones look muddy. Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. I dont mind doing it manually myself if I could find a good (easy for the layman to understand) tutorial using either of the afore mentioned tutorials to guide me through it. I get best results using the channel mixer in photoshop. Select monochrome mode, and then make whatever combination you think works well for that picture (which is to say, you're essentially playing with color filters over the lens on B&W film after the fact). For portraits, I find emphasizing the red channel at 50% or higher is often productive. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/ Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/ Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/ |
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"GamePlayer No. 1058" wrote:
Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. I dont mind doing it manually myself if I could find a good (easy for the layman to understand) tutorial using either of the afore mentioned tutorials to guide me through it. Russell Brown is a god :-). Towards the bottom of this page: http://www.russellbrown.com/tips_tech.html, under Photoshop 7 tips look for "Seeing in Black & White". The tip works under CS too. I'm sure you'll find something else of interest on the page too. Regards, Ken Chandler |
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Paul, this is a great tip (for those of us using Photoshop Elements)!
I find using a slightly different trick does the same, even a bit more sensitively: add an adjustment layer for hue/saturation and leave it alone for now; then add adjustment layer for hue/saturation (call it b&w), turn saturation down to -100; go back to first hue/sat layer, select "color" in menu window, double click, select one of the colors and play around with its hue. if you do not see anything happening, try again with the two layers made in reverse order (I have to try this again and again, can't remember). For portraits it works for me with red at about -20 or -30, then shift yellow a bit. "best" settings probably depends on a lot of things (lighting type, camera, iso etc) lots of fun, rob some of my pictures treated like this can be seen on (studio 2005) www.robpolder.demon.nl "Paul Mitchum" schreef in bericht ... GamePlayer No. 1058 wrote: I'm currently working on my midterm project for my photography class at the local Uni. Im trying to convert some color photos into Black and White. Most of my efforts look okay to me, but upon critiques from other people (whos work I admire and like), Im usually told the tones look muddy. Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. I dont mind doing it manually myself if I could find a good (easy for the layman to understand) tutorial using either of the afore mentioned tutorials to guide me through it. Here's my favorite way to do it in Photoshop (I have Elements 2, but most other versions should work, too): Open a photo in PS. Add an adjustment layer for levels. Leave it alone for now (just click OK). Add an adjustment level for hue/saturation. Turn saturation down to -100 and leave the rest of the sliders alone. This will make the image monochrome. Now go back to the levels adjustment layer (double-click on it to get the level adjustment dialog) and change the gamma for the different colors (R, G, and B). Play around with them. This is where you can really tweak whatever problems you're having with 'muddiness.' The benefit of this is that it's completely undoable and reversible. If you find a setting you like and want to keep it, you can just make it invisible and add another levels adjustment layer for further tweaking. |
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rob polder wrote:
"Paul Mitchum" schreef in bericht ... GamePlayer No. 1058 wrote: [..] Is there a really good tutorial or even a really good plugin for either photoshop or paintshop pro that would convert my color photos to black and white and have good tone values. [..] Here's my favorite way to do it in Photoshop (I have Elements 2, but most other versions should work, too): Open a photo in PS. Add an adjustment layer for levels. Leave it alone for now (just click OK). Add an adjustment level for hue/saturation. Turn saturation down to -100 and leave the rest of the sliders alone. This will make the image monochrome. Now go back to the levels adjustment layer [..] [..] Paul, this is a great tip (for those of us using Photoshop Elements)! I find using a slightly different trick does the same, even a bit more sensitively: add an adjustment layer for hue/saturation and leave it alone for now; then add adjustment layer for hue/saturation (call it b&w), turn saturation down to -100; go back to first hue/sat layer, select "color" in menu window, double click, select one of the colors and play around with its hue. if you do not see anything happening, try again with the two layers made in reverse order (I have to try this again and again, can't remember). For portraits it works for me with red at about -20 or -30, then shift yellow a bit. "best" settings probably depends on a lot of things (lighting type, camera, iso etc) lots of fun, rob some of my pictures treated like this can be seen on (studio 2005) www.robpolder.demon.nl It's a theme with a lot of variations. The main idea is to use effects layers with the topmost one being saturation -100 and then alter the color balance in an underlying one. One could even change the color balance for different parts of the picture, with complementary layer masks on a number of layers, emphasising, say, red in one area and blue in another. Which is a lot of math just to end up with a black and white picture. :-) |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:26:50 -0500, jfitz wrote:
Try the free Virtual Photography plug-in from optikVerve Labs http://www.optikvervelabs.com/ . I am disappointed to note that this program is for Windows only. -- Ben Rosengart (212) 741-4400 x215 Sometimes it only makes sense to focus our attention on those questions that are equal parts trivial and intriguing. --Josh Micah Marshall |
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