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Old September 22nd 04, 04:16 AM
Stacey
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Ronald Shu wrote:

Aavo Koort, the president of Channel City Camera Club sent a message to
all members about the future of film-based photography. It is a very
interesting article, pretty sad though. Please read on. Your
feedback/input are welcome.



Good God!!! Thanx for posting this!!!!

All my film cameras are going on ebay tonight and I'm buying the newest
digital camera I can find, which one is the best this week? Thank GOD we
have digital cameras!!!!

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Old September 22nd 04, 04:44 AM
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"jjs" wrote in message
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"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote in message
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"Alan Browne" wrote

Dan Rather will apologize for everyone shortly (while deflecting
responsibility).


I always claimed that man was irresponsible.


Amazing that he got away with his crap for so long. Payback. It's a bitch.


Well, don't forget that he is going to be 73 next month.....He should
retire. The job is just too demanding for someone that old......


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Old September 22nd 04, 04:44 AM
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"jjs" wrote in message
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"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote in message
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"Alan Browne" wrote

Dan Rather will apologize for everyone shortly (while deflecting
responsibility).


I always claimed that man was irresponsible.


Amazing that he got away with his crap for so long. Payback. It's a bitch.


Well, don't forget that he is going to be 73 next month.....He should
retire. The job is just too demanding for someone that old......


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Old September 22nd 04, 04:47 AM
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"m II" wrote in message
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They could have bombed all those US airports that gave training to the
9-11 hijackers.......


Airports don't, "give training."... People give training.......


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Old September 22nd 04, 04:47 AM
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"m II" wrote in message
news:PL54d.30548$yW6.9943@clgrps12...
They could have bombed all those US airports that gave training to the
9-11 hijackers.......


Airports don't, "give training."... People give training.......


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Old September 22nd 04, 09:05 AM
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"Böwzér" wrote in message
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This is total BS...


The best archival storage does not have the liability of requiring
electricity to keep it alive and lasts a couple hundred years. Figure it
out. I'll count to three. One....Two... (GET IT YET?)


Then just how do you maintain cold dark storage at a constant humidity?
Deep dark caves or a ride it yourself generator?

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Old September 22nd 04, 01:00 PM
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Then just how do you maintain cold dark storage at a constant humidity?


Sealed containers containing adequately dried air before sealing, stored in
a cool place is all that's neccessary to outlast current digital media. No
electricity required.


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Old September 22nd 04, 02:53 PM
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Recently, jjs posted:

"Bob Salomon" wrote in message
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Then just how do you maintain cold dark storage at a constant
humidity?


Sealed containers containing adequately dried air before sealing,
stored in a cool place is all that's neccessary to outlast current
digital media. No electricity required.

You don't even have to go that far to outlast current digital media.

Archiving of any physical object is a challenge, as entropy is a constant.
But, beyond the physical degradation that will affect digital media as
well as film, you have many other factors. Obsolescence of the media,
obsolescence of the media's format (8" floppies are less than 30 years
old), and obsolescence of the data format also work against reliable
archiving with digital media.

Neil



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Old September 22nd 04, 03:28 PM
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a cool place is all that's neccessary to outlast current digital media. No
electricity required.


How do you keep it cool in summer? All year round in the South? When you
live in the SouthWest?

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Old September 22nd 04, 05:15 PM
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"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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Archiving of any physical object is a challenge, as entropy is a constant.
But, beyond the physical degradation that will affect digital media as
well as film, you have many other factors. Obsolescence of the media,
obsolescence of the media's format (8" floppies are less than 30 years
old), and obsolescence of the data format also work against reliable
archiving with digital media.


Didn't we all think that digital images would be archival, when digital
first came out? Kodak's website pointed out that their Photo CD's had an
expected life of 100 years--and that one would be able to copy that CD in
100 years and have a clone that would last yet ANOTHER 100 years . . . ad
infinitum.

I have been reading that PhotoCd that Kodak developed has now been
discontinued. The proprietary ImagePac format has fallen into disuse, in
favor of TIF. It seems to be only a matter of time before editing software
will no longer support reading ImagePac formatted files.

THE longest-lasting archival system still appears to be good old Microfilm!
Properly stored, it has a life in excess of 500 years. It requires nothing
other than a light source and a magnifying lens to read it. Its contents
will never become unreadable because of file format or media obsolescence.
How ironic!


 




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