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How much light?
Hello all,
I am trying to decide how much light I need for setting up a fairly portable studio flash setup. I need compact, but I also need enough light. I have never done studio flash work and keep getting told I need more light. So here is the big question. How much light? I will be shooting up to maybe three people. In an enclosed space. I basically have a one car garage I am converting into a studio. I am considering setting up my first studio lighting setup and am thinking of a 300 W/s Panel and a 500 W/s Panel and using a more traditional lower power unit for a hair light, probably in the 200 W/s range. Good idea? Bad idea? Thoughts, comments, rants? Is this enough light? Thanks all! |
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Robert Meyers wrote:
Hello all, I am trying to decide how much light I need for setting up a fairly portable studio flash setup. I need compact, but I also need enough light. I have never done studio flash work and keep getting told I need more light. So here is the big question. How much light? I will be shooting up to maybe three people. In an enclosed space. I basically have a one car garage I am converting into a studio. I am considering setting up my first studio lighting setup and am thinking of a 300 W/s Panel and a 500 W/s Panel and using a more traditional lower power unit for a hair light, probably in the 200 W/s range. Good idea? Bad idea? Thoughts, comments, rants? Is this enough light? I have 2 200 W-s and a little 40 W-s AC-strobe for background spots/hair lights. My biggest problem is not power, but controlling the level. These lights only have full and 1/2 power level settings. So to get specific power levels I have to move my lights around... this is not only a pain, but when I have to move softboxes further away I'm losing the softness of the light. The modeling lights are not adjustable (in mine). For your setup a couple 400 W-s will be more than enough power. A third smaller light would be a good addtition. But whatever you end up getting, be sure that you have several stops of power control, preferably not in steps, but sliding scale. Having variable power modeling lights is helpful as well. A brand that I personally would like to get and that has many positive endorsements is the Alien Bee line. Lot's of control, well thought out system. It is sort of an intro level system (400, 800 and 1600 W-s monos) that has pro level control. Definitely fine for a small, low volume studio. Not sure if they would take a lot of location work. For overkill (always nice) I would think an 800 and a pair of 400's would cover a lot of situations and they (Alien Bees) are all fully variable... futher they can all be controlled from a single controller (extra $ for the controller). G'luck. Cheers, Alan -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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"Robert Meyers" writes:
I am trying to decide how much light I need for setting up a fairly portable studio flash setup. I need compact, but I also need enough light. I have never done studio flash work and keep getting told I need more light. So here is the big question. How much light? I will be shooting up to maybe three people. In an enclosed space. I basically have a one car garage I am converting into a studio. I am considering setting up my first studio lighting setup and am thinking of a 300 W/s Panel and a 500 W/s Panel and using a more traditional lower power unit for a hair light, probably in the 200 W/s range. Good idea? Bad idea? Thoughts, comments, rants? Is this enough light? This is pretty reasonable I think. I've got 3 White Lightning 1600 units (which I believe are are 660 "true" watt-seconds), and I have more trouble with too *much* light than too little, and don't recall ever having more than one head on full power at once. So your assortment is pretty reasonable. I mostly do slightly smaller setups than three people, though. Also, film keeps improving. You can use ASA 400 film for things you just couldn't a decade or two ago. Digital even more so, for that matter. So in fact the light needed has been *decreasing* over the years. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/ Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/ Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/ |
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Alan Browne writes:
Robert Meyers wrote: Hello all, I am trying to decide how much light I need for setting up a fairly portable studio flash setup. I need compact, but I also need enough light. I have never done studio flash work and keep getting told I need more light. So here is the big question. How much light? I will be shooting up to maybe three people. In an enclosed space. I basically have a one car garage I am converting into a studio. I am considering setting up my first studio lighting setup and am thinking of a 300 W/s Panel and a 500 W/s Panel and using a more traditional lower power unit for a hair light, probably in the 200 W/s range. Good idea? Bad idea? Thoughts, comments, rants? Is this enough light? I have 2 200 W-s and a little 40 W-s AC-strobe for background spots/hair lights. My biggest problem is not power, but controlling the level. These lights only have full and 1/2 power level settings. So to get specific power levels I have to move my lights around... this is not only a pain, but when I have to move softboxes further away I'm losing the softness of the light. The modeling lights are not adjustable (in mine). For your setup a couple 400 W-s will be more than enough power. A third smaller light would be a good addtition. But whatever you end up getting, be sure that you have several stops of power control, preferably not in steps, but sliding scale. Having variable power modeling lights is helpful as well. I'll endorse the value of variable power, and agree with Alan's point that it's particularly important with softeners (softbox or umbrella) since moving them back reduces the softening. I like modeling lights too -- *BUT* unless you can fully darken the room, or have *very* bright modeling lights, they don't give you a good idea of the lighting. On my White Lightning units they're continuously adjustable independent of the flash level -- so I can have the lights bright enough to see and still model the flash right, if necessary. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/ Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/ Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/ |
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On Monday 04 October 2004 15:30, Robert Meyers wrote:
Hello all, I am trying to decide how much light I need for setting up a fairly portable studio flash setup. I need compact, but I also need enough light. I have never done studio flash work and keep getting told I need more light. So here is the big question. How much light? I will be shooting up to maybe three people. In an enclosed space. I basically have a one car garage I am converting into a studio. I am considering setting up my first studio lighting setup and am thinking of a 300 W/s Panel and a 500 W/s Panel and using a more traditional lower power unit for a hair light, probably in the 200 W/s range. Good idea? Bad idea? Thoughts, comments, rants? Is this enough light? Better more power than not enough. Get the most powerful lighting set up you can afford, but buy units where you can "dial down" the individual lights (at least a 2 stop range, 3 would be better) to fit the situation. As an example, I have 4-800WS power packs (3200WS) and 8 heads. I can light most anything I need to with that set up. For head shots or small groups in a small, all white space like yours, I'll use one pack with asymmetrical distribution and 3 heads: one head gets 600WS into a large light box or 60" white umbrella, 1 hairlight at 100WS, and 1 background at 100WS, plus a silver or white reflector, if needed. With 100 speed film, my f-stop will be around 8 to 11. -- Stefan Patric |
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:18:09 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote: I have 2 200 W-s and a little 40 W-s AC-strobe for background spots/hair lights. My biggest problem is not power, but controlling the level. These lights only have full and 1/2 power level settings. So to get specific power levels I have to move my lights around... this is not only a pain, but when I have to move softboxes further away I'm losing the softness of the light. The modeling lights are not adjustable (in mine). You should pick up a roll of scrim material. I have some Rosco scrim material that looks like window screen that will drop your light output a full stop...folded twice 2 stops. I also have diffusion material, translar, I think it's called that both diffuses and cuts the output. |
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David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
I like modeling lights too -- *BUT* unless you can fully darken the room, or have *very* bright modeling lights, they don't give you a good idea of the lighting. On my White Lightning units they're My 'studio' is pretty dim by just closing the blinds. But as the flashes have fixed modeling lights, unless they're both at the same power level, It's not a good indication of the eventual look... at least they help with focus. My little A/C strobe has no moedleing light, but I just use it to punch up the BG or throw a rim/hair light ... I guess that with the meter... Cheers, Alan -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
I like modeling lights too -- *BUT* unless you can fully darken the room, or have *very* bright modeling lights, they don't give you a good idea of the lighting. On my White Lightning units they're My 'studio' is pretty dim by just closing the blinds. But as the flashes have fixed modeling lights, unless they're both at the same power level, It's not a good indication of the eventual look... at least they help with focus. My little A/C strobe has no moedleing light, but I just use it to punch up the BG or throw a rim/hair light ... I guess that with the meter... Cheers, Alan -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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McLeod wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:18:09 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: I have 2 200 W-s and a little 40 W-s AC-strobe for background spots/hair lights. My biggest problem is not power, but controlling the level. These lights only have full and 1/2 power level settings. So to get specific power levels I have to move my lights around... this is not only a pain, but when I have to move softboxes further away I'm losing the softness of the light. The modeling lights are not adjustable (in mine). You should pick up a roll of scrim material. I have some Rosco scrim material that looks like window screen that will drop your light output a full stop...folded twice 2 stops. I also have diffusion material, translar, I think it's called that both diffuses and cuts the output. I currently use a white plastic backing that I peeled off of some disposable painters tarps. The backing is very thin and light weight and gives me 2/3 per layer. It is however a PITA to hang and position. I'll look at the scrims on Friday, Thanks. I'll be downtown (ugh ... Friday afternoon in Old Montreal is not exactly a great place to drive ... at least PhotoService validate parking...) Cheers, Alan -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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