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Absurd Darkroom Challange
It is claimed one can make an IJ print that can't be
told from a SG print. Challenge: Make a silver-gelatine print than can't be told from an ink-jet print. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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Absurd Darkroom Challange
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
It is claimed one can make an IJ print that can't be told from a SG print. Challenge: Make a silver-gelatine print than can't be told from an ink-jet print. Not that it makes one lick of sense, but... A first stab - produce a negative on an ink-jet printer and contact-print it. Certainly would want to flip the image when printing the negative and then contact-print ink-side to silver gelatin paper. For bonus points, use a matte-surface paper - are they even available any longer? Dana |
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Hi,
What's the point? Comparing apples and oranges again?????? Nicholas O. Lindan wrote: It is claimed one can make an IJ print that can't be told from a SG print. Challenge: Make a silver-gelatine print than can't be told from an ink-jet print. What are the conditions for comparison? Can I use an 8x loupe to examine the prints or do I have to stand back a certain distance; what size prints, 8x10, 16x20 ?????? Can I use a 5x7 negative and enlarge that? Cheers, Bogdan -- __________________________________________________ ______________ Bogdan Karasek Montr‚al, Qu‚bec bogdan at bogdanphoto.com Canada www.bogdanphoto.com "I photograph my reality" __________________________________________________ ______________ |
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Absurd Darkroom Challange
"Bogdan Karasek" wrote
What's the point? There has to be a point? I thought this got settled long ago: "A tale told by an idiot, Full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." - W. Shakespeare Nicholas Lindan wrote: Challenge: Make a silver-gelatine print than can't be told from an ink-jet print. What are the conditions for comparison? Can I use an 8x loupe to examine the prints or do I have to stand back a certain distance; The SG print has to look just like it was made on an IJ printer. _Not_ look like an IJ print trying to look like an SG print. A silver gelatine print that makes you say "That was made on an ink-jet, stake money on it." A SG print that, for instance, breaks into little colored dots if you look close. Why would any one want to? Damn if I know. I'm still trying to figure out why people want to make B&W IJ prints that look like SG - it's just as pointless and ultimately impossible. High-tech pictoralism: Making an IJ print that tries to look like a SG print that tries to look like a painting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictorialism -- very post-post-modern though. Making a silk purse from a sow's ear can be done: http://libraries.mit.edu/archives/ex...rse/index.html Making a sow's ear from a silk purse is a far greater trick. In the end, though, who would want either the purse or the ear? -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
Why would any one want to? Damn if I know. I'm still trying to figure out why people want to make B&W IJ prints that look like SG - it's just as pointless and ultimately impossible. Well, if you stop obsessing on the leaves at the base of the trees and take a step back so you can see the forest, it's easy to understand. Over the decades, people have developed an appreciation for B&W photography. Some of those people most appreciate the process by which B&W prints are produced, and some of those people most appreciate the B&W prints themselves, regardless of the process used to produce them. If all you consider is the process, then, sure, IJ != SG and never will, they're two different processes. If all you consider are the prints, it's completely reasonable to expect that good prints can be produced using different processes. How much an inkjet print can look like a SG print is really a matter of how close one looks; we're already at a point where one has to peer closely to tell the difference today. At some point, perhaps one will need a microscope. So, people want to make IJ prints that look like the good prints they've viewed over the decades, prints necessarily made on SG paper. That's the point and should be quite easy to grasp. As technology and tastes evolve, the desire to reproduce the look of SG paper may fade, but it's a natural place for enthusiasts of B&W prints to start. Cheers, Dana K6JQ |
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Absurd Darkroom Challange
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:49:57 GMT, "Nicholas
O. Lindan" wrote: Why would any one want to? Damn if I know. I'm still trying to figure out why people want to make B&W IJ prints that look like SG - it's just as pointless and ultimately impossible. High-tech pictoralism: Making an IJ print that tries to look like a SG print that tries to look like a painting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictorialism -- very post-post-modern though. July 11, 2007, from Lloyd Erlick, Maybe make it by hand, with three tiny brushes and three primary colors (or whatever they're called). I used to know someone who could do this. It's just a sophisticated scanner and printer combination. The hardware is expensive and the software takes a lifetime to install. regards, --le ________________________________ Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto. website: www.heylloyd.com telephone: 416-686-0326 email: ________________________________ -- |
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
It is claimed one can make an IJ print that can't be told from a SG print. Challenge: Make a silver-gelatine print than can't be told from an ink-jet print. You could probably do it, dots and all by using a Light Jet Laser printer with color photo paper. gr |
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gr spake thus:
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote: It is claimed one can make an IJ print that can't be told from a SG print. Challenge: Make a silver-gelatine print than can't be told from an ink-jet print. You could probably do it, dots and all by using a Light Jet Laser printer with color photo paper. We may have a winner here. -- Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa. This is an inviolable rule. - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm) |
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