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I would have liked to buy the DMCFZ30S, but the noise factor at higher
ISO's makes me think I'll be disappointed when shooting in available light or at fast shutter speeds.. The price was right also. Now, I am (anxiously) considering the Nikon D70s, and, yes, even the D200, as I have many Nikon AI lenses -NOT AF lenses. So, my question for this august body is: Is it accurate to say that there is no comparable single (non interchangeable) lens digital camera on the market with similar specs (8 megapixel count and 12x IS zoom) with much better noise control at the higher ISO's than the DMCFZ30S? If this is so, I will have to consider a true DSLR as I mentioned above. Looking for the last word on this, if possible, I thank you in advance. Regards, Sandy |
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A friend just bought a D200 with 18-200mm Nikon VR lens, just about the last
word unless you want a D2X. "Sandy Bloom, Ph.D." wrote in message ... I would have liked to buy the DMCFZ30S, but the noise factor at higher ISO's makes me think I'll be disappointed when shooting in available light or at fast shutter speeds.. The price was right also. Now, I am (anxiously) considering the Nikon D70s, and, yes, even the D200, as I have many Nikon AI lenses -NOT AF lenses. So, my question for this august body is: Is it accurate to say that there is no comparable single (non interchangeable) lens digital camera on the market with similar specs (8 megapixel count and 12x IS zoom) with much better noise control at the higher ISO's than the DMCFZ30S? If this is so, I will have to consider a true DSLR as I mentioned above. Looking for the last word on this, if possible, I thank you in advance. Regards, Sandy |
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Yes, The 10 megapixel D200 seems impressive, and the VR lenses are very
highly touted. The D2X cost for the added features for me is WAY outta my price league. The special body it has has an expensive feature for holding it 90 degrees and having easy access buttons- not necessary for my use. I cannot justify depleting my largesse for the VR lenses or the D2X. If there is no satisfactory camera of the DMCFZ30S's ilk, I will go Nikon, probably the D200 kit (with the 18 to 70mm ED zoom lens). The best or only price I have seen is $1999.99. I fear I may regret buying the D70s in a short while. Thanks, Sandy "Pete D" wrote in message ... A friend just bought a D200 with 18-200mm Nikon VR lens, just about the last word unless you want a D2X. "Sandy Bloom, Ph.D." wrote in message ... I would have liked to buy the DMCFZ30S, but the noise factor at higher ISO's makes me think I'll be disappointed when shooting in available light or at fast shutter speeds.. The price was right also. Now, I am (anxiously) considering the Nikon D70s, and, yes, even the D200, as I have many Nikon AI lenses -NOT AF lenses. So, my question for this august body is: Is it accurate to say that there is no comparable single (non interchangeable) lens digital camera on the market with similar specs (8 megapixel count and 12x IS zoom) with much better noise control at the higher ISO's than the DMCFZ30S? If this is so, I will have to consider a true DSLR as I mentioned above. Looking for the last word on this, if possible, I thank you in advance. Regards, Sandy |
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Sandy Bloom, Ph.D. wrote:
I would have liked to buy the DMCFZ30S, but the noise factor at higher ISO's makes me think I'll be disappointed when shooting in available light or at fast shutter speeds.. The price was right also. Now, I am (anxiously) considering the Nikon D70s, and, yes, even the D200, as I have many Nikon AI lenses -NOT AF lenses. So, my question for this august body is: Is it accurate to say that there is no comparable single (non interchangeable) lens digital camera on the market with similar specs (8 megapixel count and 12x IS zoom) with much better noise control at the higher ISO's than the DMCFZ30S? If this is so, I will have to consider a true DSLR as I mentioned above. This is an accurate statement. And remember, with the AI lenses, you should opt for the D200, so that metering will work. Metering won't work on the D70s. Ironically, with the AI lenses, you're better off buying a Canon digital SLR, and a Nikkor AI to Canon EOS adapter ring, than buying a D70s or D50, but with the D200, you're better off than with this kluge. You also have the option of sending the AI lenses out to be upgraded ($115 each), to "http://home.carolina.rr.com/headshots/Nikonhome.htm" but it really isn't worth doing so now that the D200 is available. IMVAIO, the cameras like the FZ-30 are a very bad idea due to the tiny sensor. It all appears to be a great thing, until you look at the noise. |
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"SMS" wrote in message ... Just want to understand what you are saying. Will the older AI (NOT AF) Nikon lenses metering work with the D200 and NOT the D70s? I know the AI lenses on the D50 and D70s require independent light metering (light meter etc.). The camera guy I spoke to implied that the D200 would be the same. Also, did you mean to say that Nikon AI lenses can be upgraded to Autofocus lenses (AF) for $115.00 a shot? I've got some decent AI lenses, fixed focal and zoom, which might make it worth it to me. This is very exciting, if I follow you correctly. Sandy And remember, with the AI lenses, you should opt for the D200, so that metering will work. Metering won't work on the D70s. Ironically, with the AI lenses, you're better off buying a Canon digital SLR, and a Nikkor AI to Canon EOS adapter ring, than buying a D70s or D50, but with the D200, you're better off than with this kluge. You also have the option of sending the AI lenses out to be upgraded ($115 each), to "http://home.carolina.rr.com/headshots/Nikonhome.htm" but it really isn't worth doing so now that the D200 is available. IMVAIO, the cameras like the FZ-30 are a very bad idea due to the tiny sensor. It all appears to be a great thing, until you look at the noise. |
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Sandy Bloom, Ph.D. wrote: I would have liked to buy the DMCFZ30S, but the noise factor at higher ISO's makes me think I'll be disappointed when shooting in available light or at fast shutter speeds.. The price was right also. Now, I am (anxiously) considering the Nikon D70s, and, yes, even the D200, as I have many Nikon AI lenses -NOT AF lenses. So, my question for this august body is: Is it accurate to say that there is no comparable single (non interchangeable) lens digital camera on the market with similar specs (8 megapixel count and 12x IS zoom) with much better noise control at the higher ISO's than the DMCFZ30S? If this is so, I will have to consider a true DSLR as I mentioned above. Looking for the last word on this, if possible, I thank you in advance. Regards, Sandy If you can settle for 5X Zoom but 10 MP, with a big sensor and low noise, take a look at the new Sony DSC R1. See: http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_.../r1.html#specs Bob Williams |
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Sandy Bloom, Ph.D. wrote:
I would have liked to buy the DMCFZ30S, but the noise factor at higher ISO's makes me think I'll be disappointed when shooting in available light or at fast shutter speeds.. The price was right also. Now, I am (anxiously) considering the Nikon D70s, and, yes, even the D200, as I have many Nikon AI lenses -NOT AF lenses. So, my question for this august body is: Is it accurate to say that there is no comparable single (non interchangeable) lens digital camera on the market with similar specs (8 megapixel count and 12x IS zoom) with much better noise control at the higher ISO's than the DMCFZ30S? If this is so, I will have to consider a true DSLR as I mentioned above. Looking for the last word on this, if possible, I thank you in advance. Regards, Sandy Probably. The only current approaches to reduced noise at high ISO is either noise reduction software (inadequate in my experience), or a large sensor, which puts you into the DSLR realm. Of course you could chill the camera to -40 and get a lot lower noise factor, but I don't think you would find that practical.... Grin. |
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Sandy Bloom, Ph.D. wrote:
"SMS" wrote in message ... Just want to understand what you are saying. Will the older AI (NOT AF) Nikon lenses metering work with the D200 and NOT the D70s? Correct. I know the AI lenses on the D50 and D70s require independent light metering (light meter etc.). The camera guy I spoke to implied that the D200 would be the same. Look at "http://www.aiconversions.com/compatibilitytable.htm" for more information. Also, did you mean to say that Nikon AI lenses can be upgraded to Autofocus lenses (AF) for $115.00 a shot? No. They can be upgraded so the metering will work with the D50 and D70s. Read "http://home.carolina.rr.com/headshots/Nikonhome.htm." But I think that this only makes sense if it's one or two lenses. The D200 is much better body, and the money saved in lens conversion for the D50 or D70s is better spent on the D200 body. When the choice was a $5000 D2x versus lens modification, then lens modification made more sense. I've got some decent AI lenses, fixed focal and zoom, which might make it worth it to me. This is very exciting, if I follow you correctly. Again, see "http://www.aiconversions.com/compatibilitytable.htm" since he has added the D200 to his table. It's pretty clear what works and what doesn't work on each body. If you don't want to opt for the D200, you're better off with a Canon EOS body, and a lens adapter, if you want to use your AI lenses and have metering function. As one person wrote: "This is why I LOVE Canon EOS. I can use any Nikon lens, from the most ancient F mount single coated lens, all the way up to any af lens before Nikon moved to their Canon like G mount. Not only can I mount it with no problem, but, get this, I get metering!" |
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SMS wrote: Sandy Bloom, Ph.D. wrote: "SMS" wrote in message ... Just want to understand what you are saying. Will the older AI (NOT AF) Nikon lenses metering work with the D200 and NOT the D70s? Correct. You have got to be you kidding me! Even the lowly el-cheapo Pentax *ist-DL can meter with any K mount lens. How come Nikon can't be bothered implimenting TTL metering for all lenses? You also want to pay a premium for this? It boggles the mind! I know the AI lenses on the D50 and D70s require independent light metering (light meter etc.). The camera guy I spoke to implied that the D200 would be the same. Look at "http://www.aiconversions.com/compatibilitytable.htm" for more information. Also, did you mean to say that Nikon AI lenses can be upgraded to Autofocus lenses (AF) for $115.00 a shot? No. They can be upgraded so the metering will work with the D50 and D70s. Read "http://home.carolina.rr.com/headshots/Nikonhome.htm." But I think that this only makes sense if it's one or two lenses. The D200 is much better body, and the money saved in lens conversion for the D50 or D70s is better spent on the D200 body. When the choice was a $5000 D2x versus lens modification, then lens modification made more sense. The other alternative is to sell you Nikon gear for a nice profit to some sucker and buy a camera that can TTL meter with virtualy any lens. The Pentax ist-D, ist-DS, ist-DL, ist-DS2 and ist-DL2 can all TTL meter reguardless of what sort of K mount lens is attached. Even M42 lenses in a K mount adapter! I've got some decent AI lenses, fixed focal and zoom, which might make it worth it to me. This is very exciting, if I follow you correctly. Again, see "http://www.aiconversions.com/compatibilitytable.htm" since he has added the D200 to his table. It's pretty clear what works and what doesn't work on each body. If you don't want to opt for the D200, you're better off with a Canon EOS body, and a lens adapter, if you want to use your AI lenses and have metering function. As one person wrote: "This is why I LOVE Canon EOS. I can use any Nikon lens, from the most ancient F mount single coated lens, all the way up to any af lens before Nikon moved to their Canon like G mount. Not only can I mount it with no problem, but, get this, I get metering!" Is that a joke? Even the entry level Canon DSLR (EOS 350D) can impliment TTL metering when using Nikon lenses that the current Nikon offering can't! |
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