what's up with Nikon?

I've never had much respect for Nikon since owning Nikon Cameras.
Recently I learned not to buy Nikon Scanners either - unless you can afford
to throw them away when they break down.
I see Nikon as a third rate company that some people claim is great
because they've never taken the time to try out any good stuff. It only took
me five minutes comparing the AF on an F4 to that on a Rebel (original
model) to decide that Nikon wanted to pee on my head and tell me it was
raining.
You and your kind will continue to defend your bad decisions - fine with
me. Go ahead. But I wouldn't recommend Nikon to anyone except Annika.

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"Wesley Jansen" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Tony, as long as I've known you on this newsgroup, you've been biased
towards Canon, but not unreasonably so. Now you've seem to become like
some
of those Canon trolls that diss any and all Nikon. Too bad. You seem to
get all warm and fuzzy because you perceive that you're on the same team
as
Art Wolfe and some others. Now you say you like Pentax? Give all of us a
break!!

"Tony" wrote in message
om...
That yawn is why I and many thousands of others have all switched from
Nikon
to Canon. At this point, were I not allowed to buy Canon, I would switch
to
Pentax - which has all that compatibility Nikon claims ot have, but
doesn't
and also has a consistant interface among the camera bodies.
Besides, no one can be worse tha Nikon service - as I learned all too
late.

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"Wesley Jansen" wrote in message
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"Tony" wrote in message
. com...
Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of
a -
"Hey
guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon."
Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just
announced
last
week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros
can
catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics.

Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does
anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like
Canon
people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of
like
the
attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but
nobody
should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative
predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera,
I'll
wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and
since
it
will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest
offering
of
the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not
taking
anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon
announces
a
truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares
my
Canons will always be better.

"Dallas" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:46:09 -0700, Mark M wrote:

The difference there is... there was ZERO competition for a product
like
that at the time. You can't claim Canon was trying to "intercept"
competition because there was (and still is) none in terms of DO lenses.
Interestingly, Nikon has taken after Canon to a degree by creating a DO
type lens adapter for some of their digital point-and-shoots.
This...along with adopting a CMOS sensor for their new flagship DSLR...
Canon, on the other hand, is copying Nikon's idea of wireless data
transmission from DSLRs. There will always be copying going on, but it
seems that Nikon keeps finding itself in "catch-up" mode.

And the probelm with that is exactly what?

Who said there's a problem?

"S Lee" wrote in message
...
Mark M choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to spell
out:

Come on Nikon! I'm pulling for ya!

Again, at least part of that is because it'll compel the nice Canon
stuff to be a little less expensive

Which is the part I just LOVE!

"S Lee" wrote in message
...
Mark M choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to spell
out:

Come on Nikon! I'm pulling for ya!

Again, at least part of that is because it'll compel the nice Canon
stuff to be a little less expensive

Which is the part I just LOVE!

"Jim MacKenzie" wrote in message
...

"leo" wrote in message
ink.net...
Canon announces their new products a month, or two at the most, before
they
appear in the market. Nikon's doing the FUD more than half a year away,
like
the D70 and now the D2X.

True, but they got the D70 right.

Isn't this a 35mm newsgroup? Do these cameras take 35mm film?

Film isn't really "equipment" though, if you REALLY want to get technical.
This isn't a "film" group...it's an equipment group.

Every attachment you put on these DSLR bodies is 35mm camera **equipment,**
and fit nicely into your film bag with the REST of our 35mm equipment.

So you figure out whether it fits or not...

"Jim MacKenzie" wrote in message
...

"leo" wrote in message
ink.net...
Canon announces their new products a month, or two at the most, before
they
appear in the market. Nikon's doing the FUD more than half a year away,
like
the D70 and now the D2X.

True, but they got the D70 right.

Isn't this a 35mm newsgroup? Do these cameras take 35mm film?

Film isn't really "equipment" though, if you REALLY want to get technical.
This isn't a "film" group...it's an equipment group.

Every attachment you put on these DSLR bodies is 35mm camera **equipment,**
and fit nicely into your film bag with the REST of our 35mm equipment.

So you figure out whether it fits or not...

If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with
yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't
canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users from
jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their dSLR
last
February and we still don't know the ship date or price.

I've been wondering something. How long will it be before we start seeing the
words "Minolta" and "vaporware" in the same posts?

"Dallas" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:44:13 +0000, Bill Hilton wrote:

If you have a product like the 1Ds that's currently shipping you
typically wouldn't announce the model replacing it (1Ds Mark II) until
you're ready to start shipping. Otherwise sales would dry up for the
existing model. Same deal with the 20D, they announce it and start
shipping product within a couple of weeks, and suddenly the 10D looks
like yesterday's news.

If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with
yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't
canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users
from jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced
their dSLR last February and we still don't know the ship date or price.

So Nikon has nothing to lose by announcing the D2X before they can
actually ship it, and a lot to gain since many pros have dumped Nikon
and moved to Canon because of the 1D Mark II and 1Ds. This should slow
down the defections since the D2X looks like a very sweet camera, based
on the specs and projected price.

One of the things I have noticed with Canon is that they can replace
models faster than you can get haircuts and none of their fanbase seems to
get ****ed with them (despite the fact that the newer camera renders their
older camera pretty worthless on the used market).

Not the case at all.
You can often sell discontinued models for top $$ on ebay.

It doesn't bother me that Nikon take their time in putting out products.
Doesn't bother me at all.

Keep telling yourself that...
"It doesn't bother me...It doesn't bother me...It doesn't...it
doesn't...grrrrrrr...it dos...grrr...n't!"

"Dallas" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:44:13 +0000, Bill Hilton wrote:

If you have a product like the 1Ds that's currently shipping you
typically wouldn't announce the model replacing it (1Ds Mark II) until
you're ready to start shipping. Otherwise sales would dry up for the
existing model. Same deal with the 20D, they announce it and start
shipping product within a couple of weeks, and suddenly the 10D looks
like yesterday's news.

If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with
yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't
canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users
from jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced
their dSLR last February and we still don't know the ship date or price.

So Nikon has nothing to lose by announcing the D2X before they can
actually ship it, and a lot to gain since many pros have dumped Nikon
and moved to Canon because of the 1D Mark II and 1Ds. This should slow
down the defections since the D2X looks like a very sweet camera, based
on the specs and projected price.

One of the things I have noticed with Canon is that they can replace
models faster than you can get haircuts and none of their fanbase seems to
get ****ed with them (despite the fact that the newer camera renders their
older camera pretty worthless on the used market).

Not the case at all.
You can often sell discontinued models for top $$ on ebay.

It doesn't bother me that Nikon take their time in putting out products.
Doesn't bother me at all.

Keep telling yourself that...
"It doesn't bother me...It doesn't bother me...It doesn't...it
doesn't...grrrrrrr...it dos...grrr...n't!"

"Annika1980" wrote in message
...
If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with
yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't
canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users
from
jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their
dSLR
last
February and we still don't know the ship date or price.

I've been wondering something. How long will it be before we start seeing
the
words "Minolta" and "vaporware" in the same posts?

You just answreed your own question...