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Old August 6th 17, 10:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon[_4_]
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They are increasingly being used for everything, even applications for
which you need a real camera.

My car repair shop asked me if I had some good photos of the car. They
had used a smartphone to photograph the scratches on the car body and
because of the low light and limited resolution of the smartphone the
pics came out so crappy that the insurance couldn't see the fine
scratches on the car body. Luckily I had photographed the car side with
the E-M1 II.

That car workshop should have known that pictures taken with a
smartphone in dim light do not come out good and have gotten a real
camera for such purposes. Doesn't have to be a full frame pro one, even
a cheaper camera for a few hundred Euros with an APS-C or m4/3 sensor
would have done it.
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Old August 6th 17, 12:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 8/6/2017 10:42 AM, Alfred Molon wrote:
They are increasingly being used for everything, even applications for
which you need a real camera.

My car repair shop asked me if I had some good photos of the car. They
had used a smartphone to photograph the scratches on the car body and
because of the low light and limited resolution of the smartphone the
pics came out so crappy that the insurance couldn't see the fine
scratches on the car body. Luckily I had photographed the car side with
the E-M1 II.

That car workshop should have known that pictures taken with a
smartphone in dim light do not come out good and have gotten a real
camera for such purposes. Doesn't have to be a full frame pro one, even
a cheaper camera for a few hundred Euros with an APS-C or m4/3 sensor
would have done it.

Not even that, I still use Powershot compacts for forensic work, some of
them have quite decent macro capability. You do need half a brain to
check that the image is focussed, and to arrange suitable lighting to
show up scratches.
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Old August 6th 17, 01:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2017-08-06 05:42, Alfred Molon wrote:
They are increasingly being used for everything, even applications for
which you need a real camera.

My car repair shop asked me if I had some good photos of the car. They
had used a smartphone to photograph the scratches on the car body and
because of the low light and limited resolution of the smartphone the
pics came out so crappy that the insurance couldn't see the fine
scratches on the car body. Luckily I had photographed the car side with
the E-M1 II.


I assure you that the tiniest and faintest scratches on any car are
easily photographed with my iPhone. It's a question of light, angle,
positioning, distance and steady hands. For that matter, even with a
good SLR, crappy lighting will result in crappy looking detail photos.

People's cell phone photos usually look like crap because people are
clueless about photography.

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Old August 6th 17, 04:05 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

They are increasingly being used for everything, even applications for
which you need a real camera.


so what?

My car repair shop asked me if I had some good photos of the car. They
had used a smartphone to photograph the scratches on the car body and
because of the low light and limited resolution of the smartphone the
pics came out so crappy that the insurance couldn't see the fine
scratches on the car body. Luckily I had photographed the car side with
the E-M1 II.


user error.

That car workshop should have known that pictures taken with a
smartphone in dim light do not come out good and have gotten a real
camera for such purposes. Doesn't have to be a full frame pro one, even
a cheaper camera for a few hundred Euros with an APS-C or m4/3 sensor
would have done it.


either they have a smartphone with a very ****ty camera or they don't
know how to use what they have properly. there is no problem in taking
high quality photos to show vehicle damage with a phone. an slr is
hugely overkill for that.
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Old August 6th 17, 04:05 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

They are increasingly being used for everything, even applications for
which you need a real camera.

My car repair shop asked me if I had some good photos of the car. They
had used a smartphone to photograph the scratches on the car body and
because of the low light and limited resolution of the smartphone the
pics came out so crappy that the insurance couldn't see the fine
scratches on the car body. Luckily I had photographed the car side with
the E-M1 II.


I assure you that the tiniest and faintest scratches on any car are
easily photographed with my iPhone. It's a question of light, angle,
positioning, distance and steady hands. For that matter, even with a
good SLR, crappy lighting will result in crappy looking detail photos.

People's cell phone photos usually look like crap because people are
clueless about photography.


yep.
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Old August 6th 17, 04:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Alfred Molon:
They are increasingly being used for everything, even applications for
which you need a real camera.


You make yourself look juvenile and pedantic when you suggest that the
iPhone is not a "real" camera.
http://www.buro247.my/culture/news/best-iphone-photos-of-2017.html

How many awards do iPhone photos have to win, how many iPhone photos
have to appear in prestigious magazines, how many Oscars do iPhone
movies have to win, before you grant it "real" status?

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Old August 6th 17, 09:03 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon[_4_]
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In article , Alan Browne
says...
I assure you that the tiniest and faintest scratches on any car are
easily photographed with my iPhone. It's a question of light, angle,
positioning, distance and steady hands. For that matter, even with a
good SLR, crappy lighting will result in crappy looking detail photos.

People's cell phone photos usually look like crap because people are
clueless about photography.


But a real camera has much better autofocus and low light capabilities
than a smartphone. And especially in a car workshop where the lighting
conditions are challenging, you need a real camera.
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Old August 6th 17, 09:08 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

I assure you that the tiniest and faintest scratches on any car are
easily photographed with my iPhone. It's a question of light, angle,
positioning, distance and steady hands. For that matter, even with a
good SLR, crappy lighting will result in crappy looking detail photos.

People's cell phone photos usually look like crap because people are
clueless about photography.


But a real camera has much better autofocus and low light capabilities
than a smartphone.


doesn't matter, since the car won't be moving and the photos will be
taken in bright light.

And especially in a car workshop where the lighting
conditions are challenging, you need a real camera.


nonsense, and they most likely will be taken outside the garage.
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Old August 7th 17, 03:56 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Alfred Molon
Sun, 06 Aug 2017
09:42:37 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

They are increasingly being used for everything, even applications
for which you need a real camera.


You don't always need a 'real' camera. What exactly is a real camera
these days, anyhow?


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Old August 7th 17, 01:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Tony Cooper" wrote

| To call and raise your objection, why do you single out iPhones and
| not include phones that are not made by Apple? Isn't it rather
| juvenile of you to imply that only iPhones have capable cameras?
|

Camera snob vs Apple fan? I think both of them,
and you, make good points.

There was an interesting article last week:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/07/31/iphon...d-photography/

The hot buzz seems to be "computational
photography", which is little more than a
techie-sounding term for auto-photos. Want
a shot of your backyard in magical light with
a unicorn and rainbow, and would you like to
be able to take that photo in any light?
There's a setting for that.

Vic Gundotra is saying that iPhone cameras
are so good because they'll take great photos
without him needing to know what he's doing.

The question then becomes, "what's good
photography"? Not only can poor technique
be fixed, but one doesn't have to settle for
reality. Want a $20K dental job for your
Christmas card photo? There's a setting for
that.
It begins to blur the line between photography,
drawing and fantasy.

I wonder about the economics of it. Both
Android and iPhone now take RAW. Yet RAW-
capable cameras seem to start at over $500
retail. And who uses the RAW setting on their
phone? What's the point? On the other hand,
the upcoming iPhone is expected to be over
$1,000. What's wrong with this picture? How
much are people paying for the RAW-capable
camera part of the phone when all they want
to do is take selfies and send them as maximum
1K-pixel-wide images to friends, who will glance
for a moment and then delete? Why do they need
a high-quality, RAW-capable camera if they're
just going to juice up selfies with "computational
photography"? What kind of idiot pays $1,000+
to carry around a tiny, ergonomically disastrous
computer masquerading as a phone? Most people,
it turns out.

I don't understand why people aren't clamoring
for a market in basic phones that leave out the
features they don't really want or need. But maybe
that need is filled by various Android models.

In my contracting business I'm getting an
increasing number of people who email me
pictures of bathroom water damage or molding
design from their phones. They're good images.
Certainly good enough for me to see what I need
to. Are they talented photographers? I don't
know. Does it matter? They're just trying to
send me a clear picture of damaged drywall
and their camera is adequate to that task. It
makes things easier for me.... But I still think
they're idiots for spending so much on a phone.


 




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