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Kodak Flexicolor C41 still available in small sizes
After a long phone odessey with Kodak (and some help from Chaim in B&H's
darkroom department and one of B&H's buyers) I've discovered that Kodak does still sell the ready-to-use Flexicolor C41 developer (no separate starter and replenisher required). It's no longer packaged as gallon kits, though the bleach and fix are still sold as gallons. It is now labelled as Flexicolor SM Tank Developer and sold in a 2-liter size. The Kodak part number is 1756337. I've confirmed with Kodak photofinishing support that this is a standard C41 developer, with the usual 3:15 @ 100F time if mixed per the package directions, and requires no starter. It's about twice the price of the old gallon kit ($10 for 2L instead of 1 gallon) but still a pretty good deal compared to commercial processing, particularly for large format film. -- Thor Lancelot Simon "The inconsistency is startling, though admittedly, if consistency is to be abandoned or transcended, there is no problem." - Noam Chomsky |
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Kodak Flexicolor C41 still available in small sizes
"Thor Lancelot Simon" wrote in message ... After a long phone odessey with Kodak (and some help from Chaim in B&H's darkroom department and one of B&H's buyers) I've discovered that Kodak does still sell the ready-to-use Flexicolor C41 developer (no separate starter and replenisher required). It's no longer packaged as gallon kits, though the bleach and fix are still sold as gallons. It is now labelled as Flexicolor SM Tank Developer and sold in a 2-liter size. The Kodak part number is 1756337. I've confirmed with Kodak photofinishing support that this is a standard C41 developer, with the usual 3:15 @ 100F time if mixed per the package directions, and requires no starter. It's about twice the price of the old gallon kit ($10 for 2L instead of 1 gallon) but still a pretty good deal compared to commercial processing, particularly for large format film. Yeah, this is a PITA! I was using the package that makes 3.5 gallons. This was perfect for me. With the new packaging, I will be mixing chems about every third portrait session! My vendor (PDI in Rochester, NY) also sells Trebla brand chemistry. I've used the RA4 Trebla with excellant results (no more tar in the racks*). PDI recommended that I go to the Trebla C41; it requires starter, but they do have a small quantity package, at a better price than Kodak. (* When I switched to the Trebla RA4 developer, it actually 'cleaned' the tar out of the system. This was a good news/bad news thing. It loosened any tar in the plumbing, replenishment pumps, tank, etc, and I had to clean the racks every couple days! You really get strange looks at WalMart when you buy a dozen bottles of Lysol Toilet Bowl cleaner, the manufacturer's recommended cleaner.) |
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Kodak Flexicolor C41 still available in small sizes
In article , Ken Hart wrote:
Yeah, this is a PITA! I was using the package that makes 3.5 gallons. This was perfect for me. With the new packaging, I will be mixing chems about every third portrait session! My vendor (PDI in Rochester, NY) also sells Trebla brand chemistry. I've used the RA4 Trebla with excellant results (no more tar in the racks*). PDI recommended that I go to the Trebla C41; it requires starter, but they do have a small quantity package, at a better price than Kodak. I'm looking at PDI's web site and I'm not sure which C41 developer is which -- they seem to package it several ways, some listed by weight, some by volume! Are you using the Trebla C41 yet? If so, which one do you buy and how much does it make? It looks like I might want this: TR C41 TL60 DEV/REP KIT 3X5L But I don't know how much working solution this would make. I do see the separate, inexpensive 32oz bottle of starter. -- Thor Lancelot Simon "The inconsistency is startling, though admittedly, if consistency is to be abandoned or transcended, there is no problem." - Noam Chomsky |
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Kodak Flexicolor C41 still available in small sizes
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Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: I'm looking at PDI's web site and I'm not sure which C41 developer is which -- they seem to package it several ways, some listed by weight, some by volume! I do notice they have the C41RA fixer in small quantities, another thing I can't find anywhere from Kodak (I think it's still a Kodak product in the small sizes but nobody stocks it). Nice. This will take some time out of my weekly Jobo worship session. Again, though, I'm baffled by the described quantity of the C41RA bleach -- they show it as 2 x 5L for $104.37, three times the price of the C41 "bleach III" in 2 x 4L, or twice the price of the "bleach III" in 4 x 5L. These must be concentrate volumes -- I think. I will actually be near Rochester to pick up some equipment over the weekend or early next week. Does PDI have a retail store? I have a vague recollection I might actually have visited it, a long time ago. -- Thor Lancelot Simon "The inconsistency is startling, though admittedly, if consistency is to be abandoned or transcended, there is no problem." - Noam Chomsky |
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Kodak Flexicolor C41 still available in small sizes
"Thor Lancelot Simon" wrote in message ... In article , Ken Hart wrote: Yeah, this is a PITA! I was using the package that makes 3.5 gallons. This was perfect for me. With the new packaging, I will be mixing chems about every third portrait session! My vendor (PDI in Rochester, NY) also sells Trebla brand chemistry. I've used the RA4 Trebla with excellant results (no more tar in the racks*). PDI recommended that I go to the Trebla C41; it requires starter, but they do have a small quantity package, at a better price than Kodak. I'm looking at PDI's web site and I'm not sure which C41 developer is which -- they seem to package it several ways, some listed by weight, some by volume! Are you using the Trebla C41 yet? If so, which one do you buy and how much does it make? It looks like I might want this: TR C41 TL60 DEV/REP KIT 3X5L But I don't know how much working solution this would make. I do see the separate, inexpensive 32oz bottle of starter. I don't blame PDI for the confusion on their website- I blame Kodak! Why can't they publish a simple catolog with item descriptions and catolog numbers? I say this because I hope someone will prove me wrong a post and URL to a pdf Kodak catolog- I will gladly retract my comment! I haven't tried the Trebla yet; the catolog number (supplied by PDI) for the developer is 55DE550 at $71.60, the starter is 55DE519 at $3.25. If you buy it, tell them I sent you. I've had good experiences buying from PDI- I recommend them. -- Ken Hart |
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Kodak Flexicolor C41 still available in small sizes
"Thor Lancelot Simon" wrote in message ... In article , Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: I'm looking at PDI's web site and I'm not sure which C41 developer is which -- they seem to package it several ways, some listed by weight, some by volume! I do notice they have the C41RA fixer in small quantities, another thing I can't find anywhere from Kodak (I think it's still a Kodak product in the small sizes but nobody stocks it). Nice. This will take some time out of my weekly Jobo worship session. Again, though, I'm baffled by the described quantity of the C41RA bleach -- they show it as 2 x 5L for $104.37, three times the price of the C41 "bleach III" in 2 x 4L, or twice the price of the "bleach III" in 4 x 5L. These must be concentrate volumes -- I think. I will actually be near Rochester to pick up some equipment over the weekend or early next week. Does PDI have a retail store? I have a vague recollection I might actually have visited it, a long time ago. Don't know about the retail store. Generally Kodak's descriptions of chemical volume are for final 'working' solutions, unless the chemical can be mixed in different ways. For example, their C41 fixer that I use is supplied as 4x1 gallon, and can be mixed as a one-shot or a replenishment.. Kodak sells a C41 bleach for use as is and they sell a replenisher bleach. Perhaps that is the source of your confusion? I've switched to the Trebla C41 bleach replenisher, which is substantially less than the Kodak. The replenish rate for Kodak was about 20mL (IIRC) per 120 roll as opposed to 6mL for the Trebla. (The Trebla also was not a HazMat- Rochester is a bit far for a weekend trip!) |
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