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What plastic did the the nation's premiere fighter aircraft
"Rich" wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 2:00 pm, Bruce wrote: RichA wrote: Costly corrosion problems on the F-22 caused by stealth materials and coatings have been addressed on the F-35, but risks remain, concludes a report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. SNIP That's the trouble with metal. It corrodes. It would have been far better to make the aircraft out of composite materials, otherwise known as "plastic". Really? B-52's flew for 50 years. Metal. F-4s, metal decades of use, F-16s, F-14s, F-15s, F-18s, C5s, etc, etc. Plastic did it to metal and if plastic was indeed a suitable material to use for 100% of the plane's construction, they might use it. But it isn't. Various materials have been used to make aeroplanes: - Wood - e.g. De Haviland Mosquito Aluminium - most recent civil and military aircraft Stainless Steel - English Electric Lightning (fighter and interceptor) Titanium - Lockheed SR71 Plastic - Boeing 787 In fact most of these and magnesium have been made to make cameras too. The only material unlikely to be affected by corrosion is gold, but for a number of reasons this is unsuitable for aviation use or to make cameras. BTW do the F22 and F35 come with a camera built in? |
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On 2011-03-01 06:06:30 -0800, "R. Mark Clayton"
said: Le Snip BTW do the F22 and F35 come with a camera built in? Several. A gun camera, and several methods of recording other data images as well as missile targeting events. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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What plastic did the the nation's premiere fighter aircraft
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:06:30 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
wrote: "Rich" wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 2:00 pm, Bruce wrote: RichA wrote: Costly corrosion problems on the F-22 caused by stealth materials and coatings have been addressed on the F-35, but risks remain, concludes a report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. SNIP That's the trouble with metal. It corrodes. It would have been far better to make the aircraft out of composite materials, otherwise known as "plastic". Really? B-52's flew for 50 years. Metal. F-4s, metal decades of use, F-16s, F-14s, F-15s, F-18s, C5s, etc, etc. All of these aircraft have ongoing corrosion problems. Plastic did it to metal and if plastic was indeed a suitable material to use for 100% of the plane's construction, they might use it. But it isn't. And it never will be, but the percentage is getting higher and higher. Various materials have been used to make aeroplanes: - Wood - e.g. De Haviland Mosquito Aluminium - most recent civil and military aircraft Stainless Steel - English Electric Lightning (fighter and interceptor) Titanium - Lockheed SR71 Plastic - Boeing 787 In fact most of these and magnesium have been made to make cameras too. The only material unlikely to be affected by corrosion is gold, but for a number of reasons this is unsuitable for aviation use or to make cameras. BTW do the F22 and F35 come with a camera built in? Regards, Eric Stevens |
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What plastic did the the nation's premiere fighter aircraft
On 3/1/2011 9:06 AM, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 2:00 pm, wrote: wrote: Costly corrosion problems on the F-22 caused by stealth materials and coatings have been addressed on the F-35, but risks remain, concludes a report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. SNIP That's the trouble with metal. It corrodes. It would have been far better to make the aircraft out of composite materials, otherwise known as "plastic". Really? B-52's flew for 50 years. Metal. F-4s, metal decades of use, F-16s, F-14s, F-15s, F-18s, C5s, etc, etc. Plastic did it to metal and if plastic was indeed a suitable material to use for 100% of the plane's construction, they might use it. But it isn't. Various materials have been used to make aeroplanes: - Wood - e.g. De Haviland Mosquito Wood the Spruce goose and probably millions of flying planes made mostly of balsa wood. Aluminium - most recent civil and military aircraft Stainless Steel - English Electric Lightning (fighter and interceptor) Titanium - Lockheed SR71 Plastic - Boeing 787 In fact most of these and magnesium have been made to make cameras too. The only material unlikely to be affected by corrosion is gold, but for a number of reasons this is unsuitable for aviation use or to make cameras. BTW do the F22 and F35 come with a camera built in? -- Peter |
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What plastic did the the nation's premiere fighter aircraft
On 2011-03-01 16:23:38 -0800, Eric Stevens said:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:06:30 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton" wrote: "Rich" wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 2:00 pm, Bruce wrote: RichA wrote: Costly corrosion problems on the F-22 caused by stealth materials and coatings have been addressed on the F-35, but risks remain, concludes a report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. SNIP That's the trouble with metal. It corrodes. It would have been far better to make the aircraft out of composite materials, otherwise known as "plastic". Really? B-52's flew for 50 years. Metal. F-4s, metal decades of use, F-16s, F-14s, F-15s, F-18s, C5s, etc, etc. All of these aircraft have ongoing corrosion problems. Perhaps you should have phrased that, "All aircraft have ongoing corrosion problems." Here is a little FAA brochure; http://www.tc.faa.gov/its/cmd/visito...430/aainsp.pdf They get suspicious when this type of thing happens; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bDNC...eature=related -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 19:00:53 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On 2011-03-01 16:23:38 -0800, Eric Stevens said: On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:06:30 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton" wrote: "Rich" wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 2:00 pm, Bruce wrote: RichA wrote: Costly corrosion problems on the F-22 caused by stealth materials and coatings have been addressed on the F-35, but risks remain, concludes a report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. SNIP That's the trouble with metal. It corrodes. It would have been far better to make the aircraft out of composite materials, otherwise known as "plastic". Really? B-52's flew for 50 years. Metal. F-4s, metal decades of use, F-16s, F-14s, F-15s, F-18s, C5s, etc, etc. All of these aircraft have ongoing corrosion problems. Perhaps you should have phrased that, "All aircraft have ongoing corrosion problems." Here is a little FAA brochure; http://www.tc.faa.gov/its/cmd/visito...430/aainsp.pdf They get suspicious when this type of thing happens; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bDNC...eature=related I suspect someone should have become suspicious before this happened. Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 3/2/2011 2:56 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 19:00:53 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2011-03-01 16:23:38 -0800, Eric said: On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:06:30 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 2:00 pm, wrote: wrote: Costly corrosion problems on the F-22 caused by stealth materials and coatings have been addressed on the F-35, but risks remain, concludes a report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. SNIP That's the trouble with metal. It corrodes. It would have been far better to make the aircraft out of composite materials, otherwise known as "plastic". Really? B-52's flew for 50 years. Metal. F-4s, metal decades of use, F-16s, F-14s, F-15s, F-18s, C5s, etc, etc. All of these aircraft have ongoing corrosion problems. Perhaps you should have phrased that, "All aircraft have ongoing corrosion problems." Here is a little FAA brochure; http://www.tc.faa.gov/its/cmd/visitors/data/AAR-430/aainsp.pdf They get suspicious when this type of thing happens; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bDNCac2N1o&feature=related I suspect someone should have become suspicious before this happened. Regards, Some could have been paid not to be. -- Peter |
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What plastic did the the nation's premiere fighter aircraft
"PeterN" wrote in message ... On 3/1/2011 9:06 AM, R. Mark Clayton wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 2:00 pm, wrote: wrote: Costly corrosion problems on the F-22 caused by stealth materials and coatings have been addressed on the F-35, but risks remain, concludes a report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office. SNIP That's the trouble with metal. It corrodes. It would have been far better to make the aircraft out of composite materials, otherwise known as "plastic". Really? B-52's flew for 50 years. Metal. F-4s, metal decades of use, F-16s, F-14s, F-15s, F-18s, C5s, etc, etc. Plastic did it to metal and if plastic was indeed a suitable material to use for 100% of the plane's construction, they might use it. But it isn't. Various materials have been used to make aeroplanes: - Wood - e.g. De Haviland Mosquito Wood the Spruce goose and probably millions of flying planes made mostly of balsa wood. an assortment of woods in the Mosquito - balsa, spruce, birch etc. -- Peter |
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What plastic did the the nation's premiere fighter aircraft
On 01/03/2011 17:33, RichA wrote:
On Mar 1, 12:14 pm, wrote: On 2011-03-01 06:06:30 -0800, "R. Mark Clayton" said: Le Snip BTW do the F22 and F35 come with a camera built in? Several. A gun camera, and several methods of recording other data images as well as missile targeting events. -- Regards, Savageduck And the missles have cameras in their noses, some of them. Yes, but despite them having metal bodies, the IQ is just crap. |
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