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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:04:49 -0500, "Peter"

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: Certainly, I am willing to watch other news services than Fox. (for
: example) But, I find it discouraging that others will refuse to
watch
: Fox....:^) Or, when I mention that my source for some fact was Fox
news,
: they will dismiss it out of hand by disparaging the source, rather
than
: consider the truth/falsity of the fact in question.
:
: Faux Noise will report objectively, about as many times as a blind
squirrel
: finds an acorn in the deep woods.
: I don't know about you, but my time is limited. That doesn't mean I
only get
: my news from the left. I do try to strike some balance. When I hear
the
: source, I try to verify and think whether the presented fact makes
sense. I
: would give my eye teeth to hear a debate between Rachael Maddow and
Bill
: O'Reilly. (Although he has been invited several times, O'Reilly has
never
: accepted an invitation to debate.)
: Interestingly, Karl Rove's divorce got less coverage on Fox than
Tiger's
: problems.

I keep up with the news much more than the average American does, and
I never
heard that Snarl Rogue got divorced.



This will be his second divorce.

http://www.sphere.com/nation/article...vorce/19297143

Can't vouch for the source being reliable, but it is consistent with
something I read a while ago.

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Peter
weg9: Well, the average marriage today lasts less that ten years, so
I can't draw too many conclusions from someone getting
divorced.....There are many reasons why something like that could
happen.

Of course there are. But, this is the guy who espouses the importantance
of family values. I see a double standard. Don't you?


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Peter
Errrr....No? What has getting divorced got to do with "family values"? As
I said, there could be many reasons for getting a divorce. Infidelity is
only one possible reason.....In my case, because of the dumb IRS laws, my
wife and I never married, and we have been together since 1980.....(We met
in Herman's Deli on Geary Street in San Francisco....:^)


Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My point
is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I should conduct
my family life. How many of these "family value" preachers turn out to be
drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think attempted pick ups in a
bathroom. True one pixel does not make a picture, but multiple pixels
certainly do. (Hadda get back to photography.)

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Peter

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:04:49 -0500, "Peter"

wrote:
: "Bill Graham" wrote in message
: ...
:
:
: snip
: Certainly, I am willing to watch other news services than Fox.
(for
: example) But, I find it discouraging that others will refuse to
watch
: Fox....:^) Or, when I mention that my source for some fact was Fox
news,
: they will dismiss it out of hand by disparaging the source, rather
than
: consider the truth/falsity of the fact in question.
:
: Faux Noise will report objectively, about as many times as a blind
squirrel
: finds an acorn in the deep woods.
: I don't know about you, but my time is limited. That doesn't mean I
only get
: my news from the left. I do try to strike some balance. When I hear
the
: source, I try to verify and think whether the presented fact makes
sense. I
: would give my eye teeth to hear a debate between Rachael Maddow and
Bill
: O'Reilly. (Although he has been invited several times, O'Reilly has
never
: accepted an invitation to debate.)
: Interestingly, Karl Rove's divorce got less coverage on Fox than
Tiger's
: problems.

I keep up with the news much more than the average American does, and
I never
heard that Snarl Rogue got divorced.



This will be his second divorce.

http://www.sphere.com/nation/article...vorce/19297143

Can't vouch for the source being reliable, but it is consistent with
something I read a while ago.

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Peter
weg9: Well, the average marriage today lasts less that ten years, so
I can't draw too many conclusions from someone getting
divorced.....There are many reasons why something like that could
happen.

Of course there are. But, this is the guy who espouses the importantance
of family values. I see a double standard. Don't you?


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Peter
Errrr....No? What has getting divorced got to do with "family values"? As
I said, there could be many reasons for getting a divorce. Infidelity is
only one possible reason.....In my case, because of the dumb IRS laws, my
wife and I never married, and we have been together since 1980.....(We
met in Herman's Deli on Geary Street in San Francisco....:^)


Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I should
conduct my family life. How many of these "family value" preachers turn
out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think attempted pick
ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a picture, but multiple
pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to photography.)

--
Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how to
live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about their
helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head, but they
are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco taxes that run the
price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't just the religious right
that sticks its nose into other people's business.......

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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I should
conduct my family life. How many of these "family value" preachers turn
out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think attempted pick
ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a picture, but multiple
pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to photography.)

--
Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how to
live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about their
helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head, but
they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco taxes that run
the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't just the religious
right that sticks its nose into other people's business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.

Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would seem
like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't work, if
you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you force me to
take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it, why should I pay
for your lung disease recovery, simply because you want to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



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Peter

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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I should
conduct my family life. How many of these "family value" preachers turn
out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think attempted pick
ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a picture, but multiple
pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to photography.)

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how to
live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....

And yet it is the rightards who insist upon imposing their "mrality"
upon everyone.

How about their
helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head,
are quick to make laws governing it.

Who pays for the roads? Who pays to support a brain-damaged idiot?
If you want to ride without a helment you're free to do so on your own
roads.

And their tobacco taxes that run the
price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10?

Graham wants to leech off of society without paying anything.

Why should people be forced to breathe the poisonous stench of
cigarette smoke and put up with countless cigarette butts?
It costs people money and smokers should pay the bill.

No, it isn't just the religious right
that sticks its nose into other people's business.......

It's you hypocritical rightards who think that you have the right to
screw other people without paying the costs.

--
Ray Fischer

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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I
should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value"
preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think
attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a
picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to
photography.)

--
Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how to
live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about their
helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head, but
they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco taxes that
run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't just the
religious right that sticks its nose into other people's business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.

Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack whether
your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do with the
liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the people, does it?


Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would
seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't
work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you
force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it,
why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you want
to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



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Peter

The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you could
drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care whether or
not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of surviving an
accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet. Also, my chances
of getting in an accident in the first place are greater when I am wearing a
helmet, which restricts my ability to see and hear. And, while we are on the
subject, I carry a full boat of health insurance, so you don't have to pay
anything to fix me, buddy.....I pay for my own repair. But this is typical
of you liberals. first, you make a law that steals my tax dollars and uses
them to pay for someone else's health insurance, than you use that as an
excuse to make laws that govern how well I take care of my self so I don't
incur an expense to YOU.....Give me a break! First, just leave my money
alone, and let me take care of myself with it, and then leave my lifestyle
alone, so I can break my own head if I want to. If you can't see that there
is a difference between DUI laws and helmet and seat belt laws, then there
is no way that we can have any sort of rational discussion on this subject.

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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I
should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value"
preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think
attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a
picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to
photography.)

--
Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how
to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about
their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head,
but they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco taxes
that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't just
the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's
business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.

Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack whether
your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do with the
liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the people, does
it?


Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would
seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't
work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you
force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it,
why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you want
to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



--
Peter

The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you
could drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care
whether or not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of
surviving an accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet.
Also, my chances of getting in an accident in the first place are greater
when I am wearing a helmet, which restricts my ability to see and hear.
And, while we are on the subject, I carry a full boat of health insurance,
so you don't have to pay anything to fix me, buddy.....I pay for my own
repair. But this is typical of you liberals. first, you make a law that
steals my tax dollars and uses them to pay for someone else's health
insurance, than you use that as an excuse to make laws that govern how
well I take care of my self so I don't incur an expense to YOU.....Give me
a break! First, just leave my money alone, and let me take care of myself
with it, and then leave my lifestyle alone, so I can break my own head if
I want to. If you can't see that there is a difference between DUI laws
and helmet and seat belt laws, then there is no way that we can have any
sort of rational discussion on this subject.


While you may have insurance, not everybody carries proper insurance, so it
it can very well hurt me if some guy without a brain bucket hurts himself.
Even so, tell us are if you certain your insurance covers you for all
ventilator expenses? Incidentally, the last time I looked insurance policies
have limits on payments. Is there some rule in your state that mandates the
contrary?

IIRC the conservatives are uniformly against universal health care.

A tax is a legitimate way of keeping too many from getting me sick with
their smoke. BTW you do have the option of getting your cancer sticks from
the Indians and avoiding the tax.

Please don't pigeonhole me as a liberal. You don't even know me. Fight your
tendency to put labels on anyone who posts opinions contrary to yours. Just
because I think Rush and others are lunatic fringe conservatives, doesn't
automatically give you the right to pin a label on me. I will tell you that
I think members of society have a mutual obligation to act responsibly
toward one another. doing something for pleasure and asking others to pay
for it, is not responsible.

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Peter

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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I
should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value"
preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think
attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a
picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to
photography.)

--
Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how
to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about
their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head,
but they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco taxes
that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't just
the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's
business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.

Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack whether
your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do with the
liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the people, does
it?


Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would
seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't
work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you
force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it,
why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you want
to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



--
Peter

The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you
could drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care
whether or not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of
surviving an accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet.
Also, my chances of getting in an accident in the first place are greater
when I am wearing a helmet, which restricts my ability to see and hear.
And, while we are on the subject, I carry a full boat of health insurance,
so you don't have to pay anything to fix me, buddy.....I pay for my own
repair. But this is typical of you liberals. first, you make a law that
steals my tax dollars and uses them to pay for someone else's health
insurance, than you use that as an excuse to make laws that govern how
well I take care of my self so I don't incur an expense to YOU.....Give me
a break! First, just leave my money alone, and let me take care of myself
with it, and then leave my lifestyle alone, so I can break my own head if
I want to. If you can't see that there is a difference between DUI laws
and helmet and seat belt laws, then there is no way that we can have any
sort of rational discussion on this subject.

You know, there is another reason than money why I am opposed to the Obama
health plan....there is a philosophical difference between people paying for
their own health care and letting the government (taxpayers) pay for it. If
you are paying your own way, then your lifestyle will (and should) affect
your premiums, and the insurance companies will charge you more for
endangering your life and health.But when the government just insures
everyone automatically, then there is no individual responsibility, and
people will drive, eat, drink, and live generally like there's no tomorrow.
Good health care is expensive, and that's the way it ought to be. By costing
you money, it insures that you will fully realize the cost of not taking
good care of yourself. It's the same old argument....Socialism takes away
individual responsibility, and this also takes away your freedom to do what
you want to do, and pay your own way. I have to pay $1450 a month for three
people, and this is one of the reasons why I no longer ride a motorcycle,
and no longer smoke tobacco. I didn't need any laws to convince me of
this.....It was my own choice.

On 2010-01-01 16:12:08 -0800, "Bill Graham" said:


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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I
should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value"
preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think
attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a
picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to
photography.)

--
Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how
to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about
their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my
head, but they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco
taxes that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't
just the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's
business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my
lungs with your second hand smoke.

Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack
whether your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do
with the liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the
people, does it?

Smoke if you care to, but do it where those who have chosen not to
smoke are safe from your addiction and its resulting fallout. As far as
$10 a pack goes, I could care less if it were $20.


Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would
seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't
work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you
force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it,
why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you
want to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



--
Peter

The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you
could drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care
whether or not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of
surviving an accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet.
Also, my chances of getting in an accident in the first place are
greater when I am wearing a helmet, which restricts my ability to see
and hear. And, while we are on the subject, I carry a full boat of
health insurance, so you don't have to pay anything to fix me,
buddy.....I pay for my own repair. But this is typical of you liberals.
first, you make a law that steals my tax dollars and uses them to pay
for someone else's health insurance, than you use that as an excuse to
make laws that govern how well I take care of my self so I don't incur
an expense to YOU.....Give me a break! First, just leave my money
alone, and let me take care of myself with it, and then leave my
lifestyle alone, so I can break my own head if I want to. If you can't
see that there is a difference between DUI laws and helmet and seat
belt laws, then there is no way that we can have any sort of rational
discussion on this subject.

Bill, speak to a fully alert, helmetless motorcyclist who was hit in
the face by an unidentified bug at 60 MPH. The resulting accident left
him brain damaged and paraplegic. No amount of insurance is ever going
to repair the life he now leads. No other vehicles involved, just
impact with pavement.
Speak to Gary Busey and see how he feels about helmets now.

....and certainly you are more than free to make all the lifestyle
choices you care to, just consider that the stories you might have
heard from those opposed to helmet and seat belt laws are myths.
Seatbelts and helmets do actually save lives.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I
should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value"
preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay.
Think attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a
picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to
photography.)

--
Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how
to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about
their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my
head, but they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco
taxes that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't
just the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's
business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.

Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack
whether your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do with
the liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the people,
does it?


Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would
seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't
work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you
force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it,
why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you want
to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



--
Peter

The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you
could drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care
whether or not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of
surviving an accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet.
Also, my chances of getting in an accident in the first place are greater
when I am wearing a helmet, which restricts my ability to see and hear.
And, while we are on the subject, I carry a full boat of health
insurance, so you don't have to pay anything to fix me, buddy.....I pay
for my own repair. But this is typical of you liberals. first, you make a
law that steals my tax dollars and uses them to pay for someone else's
health insurance, than you use that as an excuse to make laws that govern
how well I take care of my self so I don't incur an expense to
YOU.....Give me a break! First, just leave my money alone, and let me
take care of myself with it, and then leave my lifestyle alone, so I can
break my own head if I want to. If you can't see that there is a
difference between DUI laws and helmet and seat belt laws, then there is
no way that we can have any sort of rational discussion on this subject.


While you may have insurance, not everybody carries proper insurance, so
it it can very well hurt me if some guy without a brain bucket hurts
himself.

You see??? This is exactly the kind of thinking I was referring to
above....First, you make a law that takes my tax dollars away from me and
uses them to take care of thoise who are uninsured, then you use this as an
exdust to control my mofality......QED!!


Even so, tell us are if you certain your insurance covers you for all
ventilator expenses? Incidentally, the last time I looked insurance
policies have limits on payments. Is there some rule in your state that
mandates the contrary?

No insurence can cover all possible expenses. that's because it is
impossible for modern medicine to keep everyone alive forever. "Rationing"
is necessary.....Always has been, and always will be in the future, whether
the government does it or not. I never complained that the Obama Health plan
has rationing.....I know that they all do, and always will.



IIRC the conservatives are uniformly against universal health care.

No. We are against government run health care. We believe that if everyone
wants health care enough to buy it and pay for it themselves, then it will
be, "universal" And if the insurance companies are forced to compete for our
money, then it will fall to it's lowest possible cost. The way it is now,
the government has gone to bed with the insurance companies so they have
made laws restricting free trade, and now the insurance companies are making
a bundle off of us. IOW, if the government just stayed out of our faces, all
would be OK. (Or, at least, all would stand some kind of a chance, better
than that of a snowball in hell, of being OK)



A tax is a legitimate way of keeping too many from getting me sick with
their smoke. BTW you do have the option of getting your cancer sticks from
the Indians and avoiding the tax.

Wrong! Taxes are not a legitimate way of getting rid of anything people want
to do. That's not the purposes of taxes. They are to pay for the legitimate
costs of government, and not to control the morality of the people....Do you
really want your government deciding whether what you do is good or bad, and
taxing it accordingly? And what clerk in what IRS office should decide
whether they like what you want to do? Maybe they will decide that Coka Cola
is bad for you, and decide to tax it a dollar a can......Is that "OK" with
you? Can't yopu see the endpoint of this? I see a world where we are all
living like ants in a colony.....Any time one of us displays some
individuality, the others will kill us for the "good of the society".



Please don't pigeonhole me as a liberal. You don't even know me. Fight
your tendency to put labels on anyone who posts opinions contrary to
yours. Just because I think Rush and others are lunatic fringe
conservatives, doesn't automatically give you the right to pin a label on
me. I will tell you that I think members of society have a mutual
obligation to act responsibly toward one another. doing something for
pleasure and asking others to pay for it, is not responsible.

--
Peter

I only call it as I see it.....If you display liberal tendencies and ways of
thinking, then I will call you a liberal. - But its only for your own good,
sweetie.....:^)

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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I
should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value"
preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think
attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a
picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to
photography.)

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Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how
to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about
their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my
head, but they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco
taxes that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't
just the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's
business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my
lungs with your second hand smoke.

Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack
whether your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do
with the liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the
people, does it?


Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would
seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't
work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you
force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it,
why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you
want to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



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Peter

The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you
could drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care
whether or not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of
surviving an accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet.
Also, my chances of getting in an accident in the first place are
greater when I am wearing a helmet, which restricts my ability to see
and hear. And, while we are on the subject, I carry a full boat of
health insurance, so you don't have to pay anything to fix me,
buddy.....I pay for my own repair. But this is typical of you liberals.
first, you make a law that steals my tax dollars and uses them to pay
for someone else's health insurance, than you use that as an excuse to
make laws that govern how well I take care of my self so I don't incur
an expense to YOU.....Give me a break! First, just leave my money
alone, and let me take care of myself with it, and then leave my
lifestyle alone, so I can break my own head if I want to. If you can't
see that there is a difference between DUI laws and helmet and seat
belt laws, then there is no way that we can have any sort of rational
discussion on this subject.

You know, there is another reason than money why I am opposed to the
Obama health plan....there is a philosophical difference between people
paying for their own health care and letting the government (taxpayers)
pay for it. If you are paying your own way, then your lifestyle will
(and should) affect your premiums, and the insurance companies will
charge you more for endangering your life and health.But when the
government just insures everyone automatically, then there is no
individual responsibility, and people will drive, eat, drink, and live
generally like there's no tomorrow. Good health care is expensive, and
that's the way it ought to be. By costing you money, it insures that
you will fully realize the cost of not taking good care of yourself.
It's the same old argument....Socialism takes away individual
responsibility, and this also takes away your freedom to do what you
want to do, and pay your own way. I have to pay $1450 a month for three
people, and this is one of the reasons why I no longer ride a
motorcycle, and no longer smoke tobacco. I didn't need any laws to
convince me of this.....It was my own choice.

You no longer smoke tobacco!!

Then why even bitch about what a pack might cost you? Thinking of
slipping back into the ranks of the puffers?


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Regards,

Savageduck