If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
So with El Capitan, Photos for the Mac is finally more or less "done". And what
did we get? Well, pretty much nothing. Photo management for kids, perhaps. With extensions finally arriving, we quickly learned how poorly they were imple mented. Some thought (for reasons unknown) that the extensions was going to be non-destructive, which they are not. You make non-destructive adjustments to a photo and then apply an extension, which leads to a "Processing image" before the extension is loaded, meaning the extension is working with a rendered image. When you apply the effects of the extension and save the changes, you have a new image in Photos in place of the old - without adjustments. Your only choice is to re vert to original if you want to adjust any of the earlier adjusments which then have to be re-added. Much like how iPhoto worked. This is, of course, 100% like I said it would work. To make extensions part of the adjustments chains is very hard if not impossible. And what extensions do we have? Well, it's hard to say. There is no "Get exten sions" menu in Photos to easily see what is available, and the Mac App Store doesn't seem to have it as a choice anywhere I can see. Searching the Mac App Store for "Photos extension" yields five hits, and the one extension I do have (Pixelmator Distort, since I own Pixelmator) is not amongst it, so it's safe to say that this isn't the method to be used to find extension. And of those five hits, only one of them seems to actually be an extension. So we're left iwth a ****-poor implementation of extensions and a ****-poor way to even find those ex tensions. So what are we left with, then? Well, for someone moving from iPhoto to Photos, there isn't much of a speed boost. Photos on a mechanical drive with 30K photos is still pretty slow in scrolling and viewing photos. There might be a slight difference, but not by much. As I've mentioned before, we've also lost the ability to sync with online social media services, like Flickr and Facebook to easily edit, share and view feedback directly in the application. Photos exclusively uses the system "share" function which is one way only. There is also no way to copy and paste adjustments from one photo to another, so if you want to apply the same changes to several photos, well, I hope you've got some time over. As I've said before, rating is also completely gone, and you only have the choice of "hearting" or favoriting a photo or not. So no vacation photos with various degrees of ratings and smart albums with the five stars and another with three or more stars, etc. Like I said, photo management for kids. Apple has severely crippled drag and drop in Photos. I have been complaining about the really poor drag and drop support in Lightroom before, but Photos does this equally bad, but in different ways. I'm not sure how they're doing it, but you can drag a photo from Photos to the desktop, Messages and to an open email window, but that's pretty much it. It seems the receiving end needs to be aware of a special drag operation that Photos is using, it's not a file-proxy-drag like in iPhoto or Aperture. Lightroom also uses a file-proxy drag and drop, but to the *original* file, not the processed preview file which iPhoto and Aperture does. So, using Lightroom and iPhoto, you can't drag and drop a photo from Photos to an IM application that you can drag files to in the same manner, which is really re ally poor. Smart albums in iPhoto weren't super advanced, but they're even more lightweight in Photos, where only the most superficial data is selectable, making smart al bums (smart collections in LR) even less useful. The master of smart albums here is Aperture, which had such a comprehensive set of selectable data that Photos, iPhoto and Lightroom could only dream of. So Photos - still a huge disappointment for us that know that Apple knows how to make a kickass photo management application. Bleh. -- Sandman |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
In article ,
Sandman wrote: So with El Capitan, Photos for the Mac is finally more or less "done". And what did we get? Well, pretty much nothing. Photo management for kids, perhaps. With extensions finally arriving, we quickly learned how poorly they were imple mented. Some thought (for reasons unknown) that the extensions was going to be non-destructive, which they are not. You make non-destructive adjustments to a photo and then apply an extension, which leads to a "Processing image" before the extension is loaded, meaning the extension is working with a rendered image. When you apply the effects of the extension and save the changes, you have a new image in Photos in place of the old - without adjustments. Your only choice is to re vert to original if you want to adjust any of the earlier adjusments which then have to be re-added. Much like how iPhoto worked. This is, of course, 100% like I said it would work. To make extensions part of the adjustments chains is very hard if not impossible. And what extensions do we have? Well, it's hard to say. There is no "Get exten sions" menu in Photos to easily see what is available, and the Mac App Store doesn't seem to have it as a choice anywhere I can see. Searching the Mac App Store for "Photos extension" yields five hits, and the one extension I do have (Pixelmator Distort, since I own Pixelmator) is not amongst it, so it's safe to say that this isn't the method to be used to find extension. And of those five hits, only one of them seems to actually be an extension. So we're left iwth a ****-poor implementation of extensions and a ****-poor way to even find those ex tensions. So what are we left with, then? Well, for someone moving from iPhoto to Photos, there isn't much of a speed boost. Photos on a mechanical drive with 30K photos is still pretty slow in scrolling and viewing photos. There might be a slight difference, but not by much. As I've mentioned before, we've also lost the ability to sync with online social media services, like Flickr and Facebook to easily edit, share and view feedback directly in the application. Photos exclusively uses the system "share" function which is one way only. There is also no way to copy and paste adjustments from one photo to another, so if you want to apply the same changes to several photos, well, I hope you've got some time over. As I've said before, rating is also completely gone, and you only have the choice of "hearting" or favoriting a photo or not. So no vacation photos with various degrees of ratings and smart albums with the five stars and another with three or more stars, etc. Like I said, photo management for kids. Apple has severely crippled drag and drop in Photos. I have been complaining about the really poor drag and drop support in Lightroom before, but Photos does this equally bad, but in different ways. I'm not sure how they're doing it, but you can drag a photo from Photos to the desktop, Messages and to an open window, but that's pretty much it. It seems the receiving end needs to be aware of a special drag operation that Photos is using, it's not a file-proxy-drag like in iPhoto or Aperture. Lightroom also uses a file-proxy drag and drop, but to the *original* file, not the processed preview file which iPhoto and Aperture does. So, using Lightroom and iPhoto, you can't drag and drop a photo from Photos to an IM application that you can drag files to in the same manner, which is really re ally poor. Smart albums in iPhoto weren't super advanced, but they're even more lightweight in Photos, where only the most superficial data is selectable, making smart al bums (smart collections in LR) even less useful. The master of smart albums here is Aperture, which had such a comprehensive set of selectable data that Photos, iPhoto and Lightroom could only dream of. So Photos - still a huge disappointment for us that know that Apple knows how to make a kickass photo management application. Bleh. Oki... -- teleportation kills |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
It's all about the walled garden and making life stupid-simple. I
figure Apple will slowly seal itself off from the rest of the world and collapse into a small invisible cult. It's a shame because there was a time when Apple was the champion of open standards and simple interconnectivity. -- I will not see posts from astraweb, theremailer, dizum, or google because they host Usenet flooders. |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
On 2015-10-20 08:59:43 +0000, Sandman said:
So with El Capitan, Photos for the Mac is finally more or less "done". And what did we get? Well, pretty much nothing. Photo management for kids, perhaps. apple was done with any sort of professional photo management and editing software when they suspended develoment on Aperture. For anybody involved in serious photo asset management and editing Photos is a sad joke, and nothing is going to save it, certainly not any extensions forced to run on a POS. While Jon Ive did great things for Apple with the iPod, and iPhone, in the post-Jobs era, his minimalist philosophy has seriously damaged many other aspects of the Apple product range including Photos, which is aimed at the iPhone, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter clientele. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
On 2015-10-20 15:50, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
It's all about the walled garden and making life stupid-simple. I figure Apple will slowly seal itself off from the rest of the world and collapse into a small invisible cult. It's a shame because there was a time when Apple was the champion of open standards and simple interconnectivity. I'm all for Apple being walled-garden on the iOS side. Those are appliances of convenience to me and I don't want to be spending a lot of time maintaining or protecting them. I back my iPhone up via iTunes and that's it (in turn backed up regularly). Occasionally offload photos to my "Pictures" folder. On the OS X side you are as free as you've always been except for recent tightening of access to some system folders (not even root can change anything in there anymore... [see: OS X system integrity protection]). Apps are not restrained - though some apps from Apple are getting dumbed down while increasing their interconnectedness with other Apple devices and services. (If you use Notes/Messages/Reminders and Mail as much as I do, you really appreciate that part of it whether on a Mac or iOS and esp. both). As to collapsing into a small invisible cult - don't hold you breath. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
In article ,
Sandman wrote: So Photos - still a huge disappointment for us that know that Apple knows how to make a kickass photo management application. Bleh. you're not its target market. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
On 2015-10-20 22:23:41 +0000, nospam said:
In article , Sandman wrote: So Photos - still a huge disappointment for us that know that Apple knows how to make a kickass photo management application. Bleh. you're not its target market. What market? Its target is every OSX user. It is free and an integrated part of OSX. If you are an OSX user you are going to have it on your computer even if you don't want it. Then you have to employ avoidance tactics to stop it from intruding where it is not needed. The truth is, it is a huge disapointment given that Apple once had a very good pro level application in Aperture and **** canned it. For those of us who are LR users, we lucked out, now Photos is just an irritation like a chronic rash. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
In article 2015102015451228245-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: So Photos - still a huge disappointment for us that know that Apple knows how to make a kickass photo management application. Bleh. you're not its target market. What market? Its target is every OSX user. It is free and an integrated part of OSX. If you are an OSX user you are going to have it on your computer even if you don't want it. Then you have to employ avoidance tactics to stop it from intruding where it is not needed. the target market is casual users who do not need the power and capabilities of a pro-level product. those who want something more capable can buy lightroom or something else that better fits their needs. expecting apple to include something on the level of lightroom or aperture with every mac entirely for free is ludicrous. The truth is, it is a huge disapointment given that Apple once had a very good pro level application in Aperture and **** canned it. For those of us who are LR users, we lucked out, now Photos is just an irritation like a chronic rash. aperture wasn't included with every mac. apple killed aperture because it was a market failure. it should not be a big surprise that a product that does not sell well is discontinued. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
On 2015-10-20 22:59:04 +0000, nospam said:
In article 2015102015451228245-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: So Photos - still a huge disappointment for us that know that Apple knows how to make a kickass photo management application. Bleh. you're not its target market. What market? Its target is every OSX user. It is free and an integrated part of OSX. If you are an OSX user you are going to have it on your computer even if you don't want it. Then you have to employ avoidance tactics to stop it from intruding where it is not needed. the target market is casual users who do not need the power and capabilities of a pro-level product. However, Apple alienated a group of Aperture users, who had the power capabilities and had them taken from them. those who want something more capable can buy lightroom or something else that better fits their needs. I have been using LR since the Beta. However, many loyal Apple users paid good money for Aperture, and had the rug pulled out from under them. expecting apple to include something on the level of lightroom or aperture with every mac entirely for free is ludicrous. Agreed. That was why some folks bought Aperture, which was not inexpensive. The truth is, it is a huge disapointment given that Apple once had a very good pro level application in Aperture and **** canned it. For those of us who are LR users, we lucked out, now Photos is just an irritation like a chronic rash. aperture wasn't included with every mac. Nobody expected it to be. apple killed aperture because it was a market failure. it should not be a big surprise that a product that does not sell well is discontinued. They let it sit on the shelf gathering dust for 40 months without adding refinements, and developing new features. They let it die on the vine because they were not prepared to compete. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
OSX Photos, and the worst of all things preceeding it
On 10/20/2015 5:08 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-10-20 08:59:43 +0000, Sandman said: So with El Capitan, Photos for the Mac is finally more or less "done". And what did we get? Well, pretty much nothing. Photo management for kids, perhaps. apple was done with any sort of professional photo management and editing software when they suspended develoment on Aperture. For anybody involved in serious photo asset management and editing Photos is a sad joke, and nothing is going to save it, certainly not any extensions forced to run on a POS. While Jon Ive did great things for Apple with the iPod, and iPhone, in the post-Jobs era, his minimalist philosophy has seriously damaged many other aspects of the Apple product range including Photos, which is aimed at the iPhone, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter clientele. My guess is that Apple is seeking to replace Kodak as the godfather of simple easy photos strictly as memories. It's a valid business plan, provided that management doesn't make the same mistake of complacency tht Kodak made. -- PeterN |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Current worst things about the systems | David Taylor | Digital Photography | 5 | January 19th 14 07:21 PM |
Taking photos of industrial things with D80 | Ignoramus20727 | Digital Photography | 16 | May 24th 08 10:23 PM |
Worst Photoshop Ever | Pat | Digital Photography | 10 | November 6th 07 02:18 AM |
MAY THE WORST MAN WIN ! | fred | Digital Photography | 15 | October 19th 06 04:09 PM |
Worst photo ever taken | Frank ess | Digital Photography | 19 | September 8th 04 05:51 AM |