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In article sNI2d.317911$8_6.133850@attbi_s04,
William Graham wrote: "TP" wrote in message Just buy the accessory AA battery pack. I suggest that most F6 owners will buy one, just as most F4 owners purchased an MB-21 or MB-23 battery pack. Yes....On re-reading the specs, I see that such a thing is available...I do wonder where they put it. Does it hang on the bottom of the camera, extending it's height to approximately the same as the F5? Unfortunately the whole combination is even bigger than the F5: http://www.graysofwestminster.co.uk/...g=1&mem=&arc=Y Why on earth didn't they design it to accept internal AAs as an option? After all, the F100 can take either an AA or CR123 internal battery holder, without having to bother with the optional external grip. Richard. |
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"Alan Browne" wrote in message
.. . Matt Clara wrote: "Alan Browne" wrote in message ...not sure if anyone else posted on it ... but the F6 backs off to 1/250 sync speed from 1/300. Yet another area where the F6 is a watered down F5 or more likely an improved F100. Whatever... Most modern Nikons will go to 1/300 (on manual), but it's iffy, even on the F5. Nikon's just playing it safe. Plus, look at the host of On the F5 it is spec so I would expect it to work within the temp range of the camera flawlessly. other bells and whistles, like the built in databack, inter-volvo-meter, etc. Then there's the full metal body, including the back, beter meter, better autofocus, mirror lockup, faster motordrive, shutter monitor, and a Shutter monitor? WTF is that? Nikon shutters are extremely reliable in this class ... not something of value to monitor it, IMO. super hightech shutter made in collaboration with DuPont. The list goes on About time they caught up to Minolta (Max 9 [1998] uses carbon fibre reinforced epoxy blades and shoots to 1/12,000 (1/300 sync)). and on. If this is an improved F100, it's improvements are generational, at the very least. I expected that the "F6" would be better than an "F5" in all respects. Maybe that's the wrong way to look at it... but by going to a fixed VF, slower sync, etc. etc. they've taken away some of the king-of-the-hill pro appeal. [Alan, I wrote this earlier in response to your post. I realize now your point is that the F6 doesn't seem like an F5 x 2 (or 1.4, even), still, this rant of mine is too good to let go...] rant Oh, I know. Whatever Nikon comes out with these days has to be defined in terms of what it's not. It's as though they really haven't offered us anything except big voids. They come out with a 12 megapixel dslr, it's not full frame, it's not on time (should have been last year, right?). Hey, we better not buy into Nikon, lest we get sucked into the void ourselves. Buy a Nikon camera, get nothing, less than nothing, even, a great sucking blackness, cleaning out your wallet, causing your wife to leave you, making your life empty of meaning. And the pictures--all black. The void even sucks at the light itself, so save yourself the trouble of developing your film, there's nothing on it, except the emptiness that the Nikon Corp. foists on the world! Move to Canon now--there's the light, there it is, Carol Anne, move towards it. Or towards Minolta, like you, Alan, you willy fox, you. Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of everyone bashing on Nikon. They've come out with several fine cameras just now, with lots of attention to detail and end user needs, and 90% of the discussion here is about what it's not. Nikon hears the complaints about the F5's size and weight, so they par the new one's size down, and yet pack in a lot of cutting edge technology, and now it's called either an F200, or a rip of the EOS 1v, and not an improvement over the F5, even though many of its features are improved. /rant -- Regards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com |
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"Alan Browne" wrote in message
.. . Matt Clara wrote: "Alan Browne" wrote in message ...not sure if anyone else posted on it ... but the F6 backs off to 1/250 sync speed from 1/300. Yet another area where the F6 is a watered down F5 or more likely an improved F100. Whatever... Most modern Nikons will go to 1/300 (on manual), but it's iffy, even on the F5. Nikon's just playing it safe. Plus, look at the host of On the F5 it is spec so I would expect it to work within the temp range of the camera flawlessly. other bells and whistles, like the built in databack, inter-volvo-meter, etc. Then there's the full metal body, including the back, beter meter, better autofocus, mirror lockup, faster motordrive, shutter monitor, and a Shutter monitor? WTF is that? Nikon shutters are extremely reliable in this class ... not something of value to monitor it, IMO. super hightech shutter made in collaboration with DuPont. The list goes on About time they caught up to Minolta (Max 9 [1998] uses carbon fibre reinforced epoxy blades and shoots to 1/12,000 (1/300 sync)). and on. If this is an improved F100, it's improvements are generational, at the very least. I expected that the "F6" would be better than an "F5" in all respects. Maybe that's the wrong way to look at it... but by going to a fixed VF, slower sync, etc. etc. they've taken away some of the king-of-the-hill pro appeal. [Alan, I wrote this earlier in response to your post. I realize now your point is that the F6 doesn't seem like an F5 x 2 (or 1.4, even), still, this rant of mine is too good to let go...] rant Oh, I know. Whatever Nikon comes out with these days has to be defined in terms of what it's not. It's as though they really haven't offered us anything except big voids. They come out with a 12 megapixel dslr, it's not full frame, it's not on time (should have been last year, right?). Hey, we better not buy into Nikon, lest we get sucked into the void ourselves. Buy a Nikon camera, get nothing, less than nothing, even, a great sucking blackness, cleaning out your wallet, causing your wife to leave you, making your life empty of meaning. And the pictures--all black. The void even sucks at the light itself, so save yourself the trouble of developing your film, there's nothing on it, except the emptiness that the Nikon Corp. foists on the world! Move to Canon now--there's the light, there it is, Carol Anne, move towards it. Or towards Minolta, like you, Alan, you willy fox, you. Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of everyone bashing on Nikon. They've come out with several fine cameras just now, with lots of attention to detail and end user needs, and 90% of the discussion here is about what it's not. Nikon hears the complaints about the F5's size and weight, so they par the new one's size down, and yet pack in a lot of cutting edge technology, and now it's called either an F200, or a rip of the EOS 1v, and not an improvement over the F5, even though many of its features are improved. /rant -- Regards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:57:56 +0100, TP wrote:
"Matt Clara" wrote: As far as I can tell, the only thing lost is the interchangeable prisms. That matters not a whit to me, nor do I know any photographers by aquintance or word of mouth who change prisms by the job, or on any regular basis, for that matter. Nikon still have comparatively huge stocks of unsold alternative finders for the F4, and sold very, very few for the F5, hence their omission from the F6 specification. None of the D1/D2 series digital SLRs had/has interchangeable finders, and apparently there is no demand for them. It seems sensible not to offer something for which there is virtually no demand, and which adds significantly both to the cost of manufacture and to the risk of ingress of dust or moisture. Where might I find these huge stocks of F4 finders? Are they selling them off cheap? Because I would be interested in a couple of them. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:57:56 +0100, TP wrote:
"Matt Clara" wrote: As far as I can tell, the only thing lost is the interchangeable prisms. That matters not a whit to me, nor do I know any photographers by aquintance or word of mouth who change prisms by the job, or on any regular basis, for that matter. Nikon still have comparatively huge stocks of unsold alternative finders for the F4, and sold very, very few for the F5, hence their omission from the F6 specification. None of the D1/D2 series digital SLRs had/has interchangeable finders, and apparently there is no demand for them. It seems sensible not to offer something for which there is virtually no demand, and which adds significantly both to the cost of manufacture and to the risk of ingress of dust or moisture. Where might I find these huge stocks of F4 finders? Are they selling them off cheap? Because I would be interested in a couple of them. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:57:56 +0100, TP wrote:
"Matt Clara" wrote: As far as I can tell, the only thing lost is the interchangeable prisms. That matters not a whit to me, nor do I know any photographers by aquintance or word of mouth who change prisms by the job, or on any regular basis, for that matter. Nikon still have comparatively huge stocks of unsold alternative finders for the F4, and sold very, very few for the F5, hence their omission from the F6 specification. None of the D1/D2 series digital SLRs had/has interchangeable finders, and apparently there is no demand for them. It seems sensible not to offer something for which there is virtually no demand, and which adds significantly both to the cost of manufacture and to the risk of ingress of dust or moisture. Where might I find these huge stocks of F4 finders? Are they selling them off cheap? Because I would be interested in a couple of them. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez |
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"Dallas" wrote in message news On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:57:56 +0100, TP wrote: "Matt Clara" wrote: As far as I can tell, the only thing lost is the interchangeable prisms. That matters not a whit to me, nor do I know any photographers by aquintance or word of mouth who change prisms by the job, or on any regular basis, for that matter. Nikon still have comparatively huge stocks of unsold alternative finders for the F4, and sold very, very few for the F5, hence their omission from the F6 specification. None of the D1/D2 series digital SLRs had/has interchangeable finders, and apparently there is no demand for them. It seems sensible not to offer something for which there is virtually no demand, and which adds significantly both to the cost of manufacture and to the risk of ingress of dust or moisture. Where might I find these huge stocks of F4 finders? Are they selling them off cheap? Because I would be interested in a couple of them. I wonder why they didn't design the F6 to take the F5 finders.....Then at least, they would have a chance of getting rid of the ones they had on hand that they had already made for the F5. |
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"Dallas" wrote in message news On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:57:56 +0100, TP wrote: "Matt Clara" wrote: As far as I can tell, the only thing lost is the interchangeable prisms. That matters not a whit to me, nor do I know any photographers by aquintance or word of mouth who change prisms by the job, or on any regular basis, for that matter. Nikon still have comparatively huge stocks of unsold alternative finders for the F4, and sold very, very few for the F5, hence their omission from the F6 specification. None of the D1/D2 series digital SLRs had/has interchangeable finders, and apparently there is no demand for them. It seems sensible not to offer something for which there is virtually no demand, and which adds significantly both to the cost of manufacture and to the risk of ingress of dust or moisture. Where might I find these huge stocks of F4 finders? Are they selling them off cheap? Because I would be interested in a couple of them. I wonder why they didn't design the F6 to take the F5 finders.....Then at least, they would have a chance of getting rid of the ones they had on hand that they had already made for the F5. |
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"Dallas" wrote in message news On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:57:56 +0100, TP wrote: "Matt Clara" wrote: As far as I can tell, the only thing lost is the interchangeable prisms. That matters not a whit to me, nor do I know any photographers by aquintance or word of mouth who change prisms by the job, or on any regular basis, for that matter. Nikon still have comparatively huge stocks of unsold alternative finders for the F4, and sold very, very few for the F5, hence their omission from the F6 specification. None of the D1/D2 series digital SLRs had/has interchangeable finders, and apparently there is no demand for them. It seems sensible not to offer something for which there is virtually no demand, and which adds significantly both to the cost of manufacture and to the risk of ingress of dust or moisture. Where might I find these huge stocks of F4 finders? Are they selling them off cheap? Because I would be interested in a couple of them. I wonder why they didn't design the F6 to take the F5 finders.....Then at least, they would have a chance of getting rid of the ones they had on hand that they had already made for the F5. |
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"Matt Clara" wrote:
Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of everyone bashing on Nikon. They've come out with several fine cameras just now, with lots of attention to detail and end user needs, and 90% of the discussion here is about what it's not. Nikon hears the complaints about the F5's size and weight, so they par the new one's size down, and yet pack in a lot of cutting edge technology, and now it's called either an F200, or a rip of the EOS 1v, and not an improvement over the F5, even though many of its features are improved. /rant If it is any consolation, you would feel much worse if you were a Leica user and paid any attention to the vitriolic anti-Leica nonsense for which this newsgroup is justly (in)famous. ;-) |
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