STREET dropout

On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
wrote:

Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...2-07-09-X2.jpg


This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
people and windows.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg


This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...-18-06B-XL.jpg

Mentally titled "Not for him".

Missed your reason for the title.
The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.

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PeterN

On 12/26/2012 6:56 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter
wrote:

On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
wrote:

Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...2-07-09-X2.jpg


This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
people and windows.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg


This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...-18-06B-XL.jpg

Mentally titled "Not for him".

Missed your reason for the title.

The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed.
The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment.

The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.

The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I
could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene.



OK. I just saw a complete lack of expression on the man.
Here's one of mine that didn't make the cut, for that reason.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/97242118/Aquaduct_0223.jpg

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PeterN

On 12/26/2012 10:15 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:23:00 -0500, Peter
wrote:

On 12/26/2012 6:56 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter
wrote:

On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
wrote:

Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...2-07-09-X2.jpg


This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
people and windows.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg


This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...-18-06B-XL.jpg

Mentally titled "Not for him".

Missed your reason for the title.

The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed.
The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment.

The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.

The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I
could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene.



OK. I just saw a complete lack of expression on the man.
Here's one of mine that didn't make the cut, for that reason.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/97242118/Aquaduct_0223.jpg

Well, Peter, that's what makes "Street" challenging to me. Real
people aren't always charming and photogenic. The guy in my link
has that dead look that the down-and-out get. That's him, and that's
what I tried to capture.

What I try to catch in "Street" is real people, warts and all. I
don't always look for society's lost, though. Sometimes I go for just
ordinary people doing ordinary things. If you're not into "Street",
you'd probably find most of my efforts uninteresting.

This is an older shot that has a more upscale subject, but also a shot
where the background sign and object added to the image:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...9-12-26-X2.jpg

and this is one of my personal favorites from sometime back:

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...02-10-1-X2.jpg

I find your shot quite interesting. The man doesn't need an strong
expression to make it interesting. There's mild feeling of disgust,
but that can be explained if he's a Jets fan.
Jets fans are immune. Most Jet fans I know are ex Brooklyn Dodger fans.
("Wait till next year.")



Your personal favorite, tells a story. It is interesting by itself, and
does not need a separate background story.

Here is the background of my dropped image.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mywimuvze2ztint/Aquaduct_0302.jpg

Here is one that almost made the cut.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i7w5owvk6ivzh3/Aquaduct_0275.jpg

Two of my submissions that made the cut were taken at the same place.
While I went fjor the purpose of fulfilling the mandate, I will admit
that I had a small net profit on the day. ;-)





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PeterN

On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
snip



I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg


Aquaduct is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife
really enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL.
However, they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially
with a large lens.)

But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
a bet when at the dog track photographing.

I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
wouldn't even go near a dog track.


Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
camera.

My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.


That is fun to watch.

I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
anchovies...something to be tried once.

Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors one
by one, in ACR.
I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used with
care.

Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg






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PeterN

On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter said:

On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
snip



I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg


Aquaduct

is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
large lens.)

But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
a bet when at the dog track photographing.

I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
wouldn't even go near a dog track.


Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
camera.

My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.


That is fun to watch.

I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
anchovies...something to be tried once.

Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
one by one, in ACR.
I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
with care.

Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg

That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the
noise introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or
indiscriminate high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than
any background could have been.
Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
abstract treatment.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2012-12-29 11:02:05 -0800, Tony Cooper said:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter said:

On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
snip



I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg


Aquaduct

is

a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
large lens.)

But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
a bet when at the dog track photographing.

I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
wouldn't even go near a dog track.


Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
camera.

My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.


That is fun to watch.

I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
anchovies...something to be tried once.

Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
one by one, in ACR.
I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
with care.

Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg

That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the
noise introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or
indiscriminate high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than
any background could have been.
Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
abstract treatment.

Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.

Interesting rendition, yes.
Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
spoiling damaging to the image of bird.

A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
introduction.
Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
other PP technique is not.

....and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy.



--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck said:

Le Snip

Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.

Interesting rendition, yes.
Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
spoiling damaging to the image of bird.

A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
introduction.
Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
other PP technique is not.

...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy.

Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings.
This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see
what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to
get that "Japanese print" effect.

Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...eron-comp2.jpg

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2012-12-29 14:26:32 -0800, Tony Cooper said:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:27 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck said:

Le Snip

Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.

Interesting rendition, yes.
Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
spoiling damaging to the image of bird.

A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
introduction.
Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
other PP technique is not.

...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy.

Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings.
This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see
what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to
get that "Japanese print" effect.

Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...eron-comp2.jpg

I did not say, or mean to imply, that Peter was going for the Japanese
print effect. I'm just saying that I like it as-is.

It's just another instance of one person liking something that another
person feels is not the optimal result.

I'm not a person who generally appreciates excessively manipulated
photos no matter what the technique employed. I'm not saying it's
wrong to do so; only that it's not the type of thing that I
appreciate.

Of what Peter has submitted previously in the area of abstracts or
manipulated photos, this one comes closest to striking a chord with
me.

OK!

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter said:

On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
snip



I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg



Aquaduct

is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
large lens.)

But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
a bet when at the dog track photographing.

I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
wouldn't even go near a dog track.


Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
camera.

My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.


That is fun to watch.

I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
anchovies...something to be tried once.

Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
one by one, in ACR.
I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
with care.

Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg

That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise
introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate
high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background
could have been.
Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
abstract treatment.

I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
when you carry it to an extreme.

This one did well in the creative category.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret




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PeterN

On 2012-12-29 18:33:27 -0800, Peter said:

On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter said:

On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
snip



I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg



Aquaduct

is

a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
large lens.)

But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
a bet when at the dog track photographing.

I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
wouldn't even go near a dog track.


Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
camera.

My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.


That is fun to watch.

I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
anchovies...something to be tried once.

Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
one by one, in ACR.
I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
with care.

Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg

That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise
introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate
high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background
could have been.
Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
abstract treatment.

I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
when you carry it to an extreme.

This one did well in the creative category.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret

Now that I like!

BTW: There is no jpeg extension on that file. It was simple enough to
add it but it initially appears to be a file of no "type".


--
Regards,

Savageduck