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One photog's not so great experience with Apple
On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 8:56:49 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
-hh wrote: Now some people will try to blame Intel for this (see below), but that doesn't excuse bugs in the OS, or defective motherboards (see iPhone 8 recall), and the all-too-many other recent examples of Apple shipping "beta" quality products. those are separate issues, especially the iphone 8, which doesn't use an intel x86 processor. some versions have an intel baseband but that's entirely different. That Apple is having such problems across all of their product lines ... including those without Intel CPUs ... means that the common problem isn't one supplier (Intel), but at Apple. apple isn't having such problems across all of their product lines. Listen to yourself! Its like saying that a car with three flat tires is just "doing fine". apple has some of the highest customer satisfaction rates in the industry, which could not happen if there were widespread problems. Parroting others doesn't make it any more true. As I said, reputation can be coasted on. part of that is intel's fault, who is continually late with new chips. That none of the other big PC OEMs .. Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc, manifest having the same problems coping with Intel makes it all clear that this isn't an "Intel Problem", but an Apple problem. oh yes they do. http://www.zdnet.com/article/debian-...kylake-kaby-la ke-processors-have-broken-hyper-threading/ No, because the claim was that Intel was unable to meet delivery schedules for new chips, so noting that there's also been problems with hyperthreading fails to substantiate that original claim. yes it does. apple isn't going to use chips with known issues. microsoft did it and it bit them in the ass. Yet Dell, HP, Lenovo didn't ... You're cherrypicking. It could be because...[Microsoft Surface] For example, the Mac mini hasn't gotten a hardware update for four (4) years. Its CPU is Intel's 5th Generation "Haswell", and since then, Intel has shipped: 6th Gen - Broadwell (1Q2015) 7th Gen - Skylane (4Q2015) & Kaby Lake (3Q2016) 8th Gen - Coffee Lake (1Q2018) ... which are in the MacBook Pro's which Apple finally updated in July, a full quarter later than their competition, who first shipped back in April. the difference in the various generations is not that much and the mini doesn't sell in huge numbers anyway. That's lame excuse-making for the world's biggest by market cap corporation. Particularly since in the meantime, there's been other companies who sell similarly small form factor desktop PCs who _have_ been able to keep their hardware designs up-to-date. macbooks and imacs were recently updated, which are about 90% of mac sales. And design-wise, the mini is nothing more than just a repackaged Macbook, which incurs minimal developmental & deployment costs. the imac pro is well ahead of what pcs have to offer at similar prices. Depends on what's important to one's workflow & needs as to if it is better or not. If you want a beautiful screen but with obscene internal storage prices, and zero repairability, the iMac Pro is for you. nothing comes close to the performance of the latest iphones. even last year's iphones were beating the competition. Better is the enemy of good enough. What I need from my iPhones (yes, that's plural) is better battery life, not faster frame rates to play games. Oh, and dual SIMs (real ones, not an eSIM) for use when on international travel to take advantage of non-outrageous local cellular costs would be nice too. The first time that I had a $1500 monthly bill was quite fun trying to get accounting to approve it. rumours suggest an october event, where new macs and ipads will be announced, possibly other stuff. Still vaporware until it happens. in other words, an updated mini with coffee lake wouldn't be that much better than what exists now. Where "not much faster" is ~35% CPU and ~50% higher memory bandwidth. Even before considering also having higher core counts available. what matters is real world performance. Yet benchmarks still exist as they serve a useful purpose. this year's macbook pro versus last year's macbook pro versus the 2015 is not *that* much. Google is your friend. We can similarly look at the Intel Xeon line for the Mac Pro, which has gone five (5) years without any hardware refreshes. Anyone really want to claim that Intel hasn't released _any_ Server/ Workstation CPUs in five years? apple admitted they made a mistake with the trashcan mac pro. Way back in April 2017, so where the **** is its replacement already? 18 months is not very long. apple's product cycles are 2-3 years. And 2-3 years from when the Trash Can first shipped in 2013 is ... 2-3 years ago. That it took them so long to 'fess up to having screwed up is a sign of bad leadership. Keep in mind that it only took Apple six (6) months to ship "Yikes!". that wasn't a complete redesign and an entirely different era. As if it requires a "complete redesign" for them to replace the guts of the "cheese grater" a third time. /S Because there's _still_ nothing wrong with the pre-trashcan Mac Pro design, other than Apple not wanting to. The longer that a next Mac Pro doesn't ship - - the bigger of a disaster it is going to be, with a closed and non-maintainable architecture that's only good for Apple. they've been working on a redesigned mac pro, which will probably be announced next year sometime. No, they've *said* that they're working on it. And there still isn't any firm release date, so it is classical vaporware. are you accusing apple of making false and misleading statements? Nope - merely repeating what Apple Fanboys have said about Apple's competitors for the past twenty years. Prove me wrong by citing the release date that Apple has published in a Press Release that's archived on Apple's website. Unless you can produce that, the words are just more vaporware. Apple has left open their barn doors so wide that they could announce on Christmas Day 2019 ... and claim that they're not "late". they never announced a date for the next mac pro, so it can't be late. Ergo, it is still vaporware. The MacBook Air isn't a spring chicken either; its running on a Broadwell CPU from 2015, and its last "update" was merely a cull of base specifications to options, and decreasing the manufacturing line from six discrete models to two. except that it's still selling quite well. not everyone needs top of the line. Try keeping your excuses consistent: * the mini isn't being updated because it isn't selling well * the air isn't being updated because it _is_ selling well they're not excuses and it's two different products. The rationalization attempt is still a flagrant self-contradiction. i said the air *was* updated, just not at the same price point, so they kept the old air around, which is an extremely popular product. The air's last "update" was to kill off the 11" and to make the previously optional 13" version the new base version. That's why they went from six part#s to just two. its replacement is the retina macbook, except that they can't make that at the macbook air price point yet, so they're keeping both, for now. Amazing how other manufacturers are able to sell both MB and MBA classes of machine for roughly half what Apple charges. Sure, we can say that its the OSX secret sauce that makes it worth paying more, but this much more...not really. not with the same specs, they aren't. Yes, less. And for the example I provided, I own both. apple kept the 2012 non-retina macbook around for a few years because users kept buying them. they also kept the ipad 2 around for a few years because users kept buying them too. Those were for .edu sales...and the early retina display models had a pretty steep price markup, which motivated some customers to sidestep them, just as is being done of late with the non-touchbar MBP's. nope. there was no restriction on who could buy them. edu did buy a lot because of the price, but so did non-edu customers. What I wrote isn't contradicted by what you said. Meantime, the MacBook & iMac have gone 400+ days since last refresh and could use the already-shipping Coffee Lake CPUs currently being sold in the MBP's. About the only rational justification for not having already released them is that the world's biggest corporation by Market Cap can't afford to have enough people to walk & chew gum at the same time, so they're staggering their rollouts (and drawing down existing inventory too), even though from a calendar schedule standpoint, it means that Apple has already missed the back-to-school sales bump and is now also quite likely to miss the Christmas sales bubble (again) too. Yup, its all Intel's fault! /S i said partly intel. While trying to imply that it was the majority fault. So then, care to put a percentage on it? 10%, sure, but no way in hell is it more than 25%. yes way in hell. apple can't ship what intel can't make, and in the volumes apple needs. Noted previously: "[the mini's] CPU is Intel's 5th Generation "Haswell", and since then, Intel has shipped: 6th Gen - Broadwell (1Q2015) 7th Gen - Skylane (4Q2015) & Kaby Lake (3Q2016) 8th Gen - Coffee Lake (1Q2018) ..." Intel was there - - so where was Apple? Asleep at the switch, trying to use the excuse that the products weren't selling well for any reason other than they had become decrepitly out of date while never having their prices slashed to match the market. and keep in mind that there's a processor change brewing. Yeah, I've heard those rumors too. Knowing how Apple likes to vertically integrate, there's chance, but the problem with it is that it takes 2+ years for the software vendors to all provide updates to make a new workflow actually better; BTDT x3. nonsense. for most developers, it's little more than recompiling and testing. They still got to go do it.... ....and as I pointed out, even Apple hasn't done a good job in finishing even getting all of their OS-supplied Apps up to 64 bit. ios apps are already compiled for x86 and arm. for apps on the app store, developers won't even need to do the first part because apple's bitcode can build the appropriate binary on the fly. more complex apps may need additional work, but certainly not 2-3 years worth. How long did it take Adobe to give Mac Photoshop 64-bit support? obviously, anything that relies on specifics about the x86 instruction set or hardware will need more effort, but very, very few apps fall into that category. In the meantime, customers have to cope with deoptimal code klunges that make the "better" hardware not run as good as the old stuff.. ....which is precisely what's happened historically on each of Apple's prior major CPU architecture changes. apple's a11 and a12 chips in their iphones are benchmarking in the range of macbooks, in some cases better, and that's with a chip designed to run on a small battery in a pocket sized device. Still doesn't solve the Application software problem. And given how Apple is struggling to get even their own core Apps up to 64 bit clean before they EOL themselves, the prospects of a new CPU change not being an utter disaster are pretty damn low. nonsense. You clearly don't keep up well on the real Apple news, for it was but just three months ago (June 2018), Apple finally got around to updating OSX's DVD player app to be 64-bit compliant: http://www.applemust.com/rejoice-apple-will-let-you-play-dvds-on-mojave-macs/ an arm chip designed for a laptop or desktop, not limited to the thermals, power and size constraints of a phone, would be much better.. If you set your bar low enough, anything is possible. So how about an Apple ARM that can take on a Xeon class that would be suitable for a Mac Pro desktop? how about no straw men. nobody is expecting arm chips to debut in a mac pro. No, your name isn't "nobody"; it is "nospam". the most likely place is in a future macbook air or mac mini. the latter could even be the size of the existing apple tv. Then let it go run iOS and not meddle in content creation workflows. another part is that the industry has changed and desktops and laptops have taken a back seat to mobile, and not just apple. the iphone is the largest part of apple's revenue, so that's what gets the most attention. Yet the Mac still is more profitable than the iPad product line, despite how the latter gets updates ... and advertising. mobile is the future. " Ċ* PCs are going to be like trucks. They're still going to be around, they're still going to have a lot of value, but they're going to be used by one out of X people" - Steve Jobs, 2010 yep Yet there's still no truck. Just fanboys trying to claim that a big shiny turd called an iMac "Pro" is everyone's workflow panacea. /S And what we're learning about how the public is applying mobile, particularly under iOS, is that mobile is for content _consumption_ much more so than it is about content _creation_. nope. most people are consumers, regardless of platform. however, those who do create can *easily* do so on ios. Except that doing so is even easier with other UIs. ios is getting most of the attention. As a consumption platform. imovie, photoshop and thousands of other apps say nope. iMovie, like iPhoto and iWeb ... are dead to Apple. And even though Photoshop has become a rent-based cash cow for Adobe, it exists more so today because they went platform agnostic so that they wouldn't have to tolerate Apple's inconsistencies. aperture was a complete market failure. the majority of mac users chose lightroom over aperture. products that fail in the marketplace are normally canceled. when aperture first came out, it was *very* slow. apple said not to use it on anything slower than a powermac. its speed got better in later versions but it still was slower than lightroom and also lacked the seamless integration with photoshop and raw support wasn't as fast as from adobe. apple cut the price of aperture more than once, but nothing could save it. it's surprising it lasted as long as it did. More excuse making, particularly since the bang-up job that Apple did with Final Cut serves to illustrate what they can do in the way of non-crappy software writing when it has leadership attention & support. it's not an excuse. lightroom won the battle from the very beginning and apple decided their resources were better spent elsewhere. LR has had its problems too ... Apple poured tons of money into other endeavors and tortured their Aperture customers with a long lingering death. photos is much better than iphoto and *significantly* faster. photos was never intended to be a replacement for aperture, which is where most of the complaints come from. its for casual users, not photo enthusiasts. photos is faster...but that's it. it still can't even do today what iPhoto did back in 2015, particularly in terms of DAM. nonsense. it handles larger libraries and muuuuuuch faster. There isn't an iOS device made that can support my libraries. however, it's *not* a pro level tool. for that, get lightroom. Already have it, fanboy. And that's a workflow where Adobe is helping me to become OS-agnostic so that I have options other than being held hostage to the whims of Apple. As such, it wasn't even a decent replacement for iPhoto, let alone Aperture. The only reason why photos hasn't gotten totally slammed is because most customers today are iOS based casual users who've never used anything better. no, it's because casual users don't *need* anything better. those who do need something better overwhelmingly chose lightroom over aperture and never even considered iphoto or photos. With the real reason why was because they were already on Windows. And more are switching every day because Apple's inaction and failure to cultivate existing relationships has effectively told their photo-centric customer market to go **** off. As I said ... disenchanted customer & increasingly cynical APPL stockholder, as I do see Cook driving the company off a cliff for a likely fatal crash. -hh |
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One photog's not so great experience with Apple
In article , -hh
wrote: Now some people will try to blame Intel for this (see below), but that doesn't excuse bugs in the OS, or defective motherboards (see iPhone 8 recall), and the all-too-many other recent examples of Apple shipping "beta" quality products. those are separate issues, especially the iphone 8, which doesn't use an intel x86 processor. some versions have an intel baseband but that's entirely different. That Apple is having such problems across all of their product lines ... including those without Intel CPUs ... means that the common problem isn't one supplier (Intel), but at Apple. apple isn't having such problems across all of their product lines. Listen to yourself! Its like saying that a car with three flat tires is just "doing fine". nonsense. apple sells hundreds of millions of devices per year. nothing is perfect and a small number will have problems, no different than other companies. overall, the defect rate is very low. Particularly since in the meantime, there's been other companies who sell similarly small form factor desktop PCs who _have_ been able to keep their hardware designs up-to-date. macbooks and imacs were recently updated, which are about 90% of mac sales. And design-wise, the mini is nothing more than just a repackaged Macbook, which incurs minimal developmental & deployment costs. nonsense. the imac pro is well ahead of what pcs have to offer at similar prices. Depends on what's important to one's workflow & needs as to if it is better or not. yep. If you want a beautiful screen but with obscene internal storage prices, and zero repairability, the iMac Pro is for you. the screen is nice, however, the storage prices are not obscene and if it fails, bring it to an apple store and they'll fix it. very little these days can be repaired by the user. try fixing a microsoft surface laptop. opening it up will destroy it. https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/17/1...face-teardown- ifixit-impossible-repair Microsoftıs Surface computers have never scored particularly well when it comes to repairability look no further than its Surface Book from a couple of years ago, which scored a 1/10 rating. This new computer scores even worse: 0/10. iFixit reports that the laptop isnıt designed to be repaired, and users canıt upgrade individual components like the CPU, Ram or storage because theyıre soldered to the motherboard. Their verdict? ³Itıs a glue-filled monstrosity. There is nothing about it that is upgradable or long-lasting, and it literally canıt be opened without destroying it.² nothing comes close to the performance of the latest iphones. even last year's iphones were beating the competition. Better is the enemy of good enough. What I need from my iPhones (yes, that's plural) is better battery life, not faster frame rates to play games. iphones already have exceptionally good battery life, much better than most android phones. since people charge their phone every night, it only needs to last a full day with some remaining so there's no battery anxiety, which it definitely does. iphones typically get 2 days on a single charge, so it's not an issue unless someone is away from all sources of power for an extended period of time, something that is extremely unlikely. however, if they are on that mythical deserted island, they can always bring a usb battery (and will need it for charging other devices too). Oh, and dual SIMs (real ones, not an eSIM) for use when on international travel to take advantage of non-outrageous local cellular costs would be nice too. esims are *far* better for the user, which is why the carriers are fighting it so hard. they do not want to lose their tight grip on the customer. in an ideal world, all phones/tablets would have esims and physical sims would be a thing of the past. physical sims take up a lot of space in a device that is already highly space constrained. that space could better be used for other stuff, such as a bigger battery you said you wanted. The first time that I had a $1500 monthly bill was quite fun trying to get accounting to approve it. user error. apple admitted they made a mistake with the trashcan mac pro. Way back in April 2017, so where the **** is its replacement already? 18 months is not very long. apple's product cycles are 2-3 years. And 2-3 years from when the Trash Can first shipped in 2013 is ... 2-3 years ago. That it took them so long to 'fess up to having screwed up is a sign of bad leadership. at the time of its release, it was very good, but it turned out to be a mistake. nobody is perfect. every company makes mistakes, apple is no exception. they've admitted it and are working on the next version. at least it wasn't as bad as the microsoft kin, which was canceled a month after it was announced, along with multiple ****ups with windows phone. or the samsung galaxy note 7, where the risk of fire was *very* high. Keep in mind that it only took Apple six (6) months to ship "Yikes!". that wasn't a complete redesign and an entirely different era. As if it requires a "complete redesign" for them to replace the guts of the "cheese grater" a third time. /S Because there's _still_ nothing wrong with the pre-trashcan Mac Pro design, other than Apple not wanting to. there's plenty wrong with it. the cheese grater was an ok design 15 years ago. today it's *awful*. there is *no* need for a 40 pound computer. The longer that a next Mac Pro doesn't ship - - the bigger of a disaster it is going to be, with a closed and non-maintainable architecture that's only good for Apple. nonsense. they've been working on a redesigned mac pro, which will probably be announced next year sometime. No, they've *said* that they're working on it. And there still isn't any firm release date, so it is classical vaporware. are you accusing apple of making false and misleading statements? Nope - merely repeating what Apple Fanboys have said about Apple's competitors for the past twenty years. Prove me wrong by citing the release date that Apple has published in a Press Release that's archived on Apple's website. Unless you can produce that, the words are just more vaporware. nobody said there was an exact release date. apple *has* said they are working on a new mac pro. if you think that statement is false, then provide proof. The MacBook Air isn't a spring chicken either; its running on a Broadwell CPU from 2015, and its last "update" was merely a cull of base specifications to options, and decreasing the manufacturing line from six discrete models to two. except that it's still selling quite well. not everyone needs top of the line. Try keeping your excuses consistent: * the mini isn't being updated because it isn't selling well * the air isn't being updated because it _is_ selling well they're not excuses and it's two different products. The rationalization attempt is still a flagrant self-contradiction. there is no rationalization. i said the air *was* updated, just not at the same price point, so they kept the old air around, which is an extremely popular product. The air's last "update" was to kill off the 11" and to make the previously optional 13" version the new base version. That's why they went from six part#s to just two. the retina macbook is the macbook air replacement, except for the price, which is why the air is still being sold. apple kept the 2012 non-retina macbook around for a few years because users kept buying them. they also kept the ipad 2 around for a few years because users kept buying them too. Those were for .edu sales...and the early retina display models had a pretty steep price markup, which motivated some customers to sidestep them, just as is being done of late with the non-touchbar MBP's. nope. there was no restriction on who could buy them. edu did buy a lot because of the price, but so did non-edu customers. What I wrote isn't contradicted by what you said. you said it was for edu sales. it wasn't. it was for anyone who wanted to buy it. it happened that edu was among those who wanted to buy it, however, that was *not* why the product existed. the emac was originally edu only, except that non-edu customer demand was high enough where apple decided to sell it to anyone. that is not the case here. more recently, the logitech crayon was edu only, and only this past month was it made available to non-edu. and keep in mind that there's a processor change brewing. Yeah, I've heard those rumors too. Knowing how Apple likes to vertically integrate, there's chance, but the problem with it is that it takes 2+ years for the software vendors to all provide updates to make a new workflow actually better; BTDT x3. nonsense. for most developers, it's little more than recompiling and testing. They still got to go do it.... ...and as I pointed out, even Apple hasn't done a good job in finishing even getting all of their OS-supplied Apps up to 64 bit. nonsense. ios apps are already compiled for x86 and arm. for apps on the app store, developers won't even need to do the first part because apple's bitcode can build the appropriate binary on the fly. more complex apps may need additional work, but certainly not 2-3 years worth. How long did it take Adobe to give Mac Photoshop 64-bit support? very bad example. adobe was caught off guard when apple canceled 64 bit carbon, forcing them to move to cocoa a *lot* faster than they had originally planned, adding unexpected delays. that is not applicable to an arm transition, especially store apps. also keep in mind that apple is in a position where they could license x86 for a future chip of their own design. a better example would be the intel transition, where apple said one adobe engineer was able to get photoshop mostly working in a weekend. the reality is that most apps need little more than a recompile for 64 bit, assuming the developers used the standard apis which handle word lengths and endianness. if they didn't, then they have only themselves to blame for the mess they created. it's not apple's fault that some programmers don't know what they're doing. obviously, anything that relies on specifics about the x86 instruction set or hardware will need more effort, but very, very few apps fall into that category. In the meantime, customers have to cope with deoptimal code klunges that make the "better" hardware not run as good as the old stuff.. ...which is precisely what's happened historically on each of Apple's prior major CPU architecture changes. nonsense. the 68k emulation on powerpc was about as perfect as it could be, emulating 68k so well that even low level debuggers worked without issue. 68k apps also ran faster on a powermac under emulation than they did on a 68k mac for all sorts of reasons, with the second version of the emulator being even faster. apple's a11 and a12 chips in their iphones are benchmarking in the range of macbooks, in some cases better, and that's with a chip designed to run on a small battery in a pocket sized device. Still doesn't solve the Application software problem. And given how Apple is struggling to get even their own core Apps up to 64 bit clean before they EOL themselves, the prospects of a new CPU change not being an utter disaster are pretty damn low. nonsense. You clearly don't keep up well on the real Apple news, for it was but just three months ago (June 2018), Apple finally got around to updating OSX's DVD player app to be 64-bit compliant: so what? 32 bit apps work fine and will continue to work fine until *next* year. apple has plenty of time, as do other developers. you might have noticed that macs no longer have a dvd player, which means the need for it is almost zero. apple could remove the app entirely and most people would never notice. And what we're learning about how the public is applying mobile, particularly under iOS, is that mobile is for content _consumption_ much more so than it is about content _creation_. nope. most people are consumers, regardless of platform. however, those who do create can *easily* do so on ios. Except that doing so is even easier with other UIs. not necessarily. some things are easier on a tablet and others are easier on a desktop, for both consumption and creation. nothing is perfect for every situation. ios is getting most of the attention. As a consumption platform. imovie, photoshop and thousands of other apps say nope. iMovie, like iPhoto and iWeb ... are dead to Apple. iweb is, but imovie and iphoto (now photos) are not. adobe has announced that the full version of photoshop is coming to ios. that's certainly not a consumption app. And even though Photoshop has become a rent-based cash cow for Adobe, it exists more so today because they went platform agnostic so that they wouldn't have to tolerate Apple's inconsistencies. nonsense. it's not an excuse. lightroom won the battle from the very beginning and apple decided their resources were better spent elsewhere. LR has had its problems too nothing is perfect. ... Apple poured tons of money into other endeavors and tortured their Aperture customers with a long lingering death. yep. apple should have killed off aperture much earlier than they did, but that would have ****ed off even more people. photos is much better than iphoto and *significantly* faster. photos was never intended to be a replacement for aperture, which is where most of the complaints come from. its for casual users, not photo enthusiasts. photos is faster...but that's it. it still can't even do today what iPhoto did back in 2015, particularly in terms of DAM. nonsense. it handles larger libraries and muuuuuuch faster. There isn't an iOS device made that can support my libraries. who said anything about ios, and you're not apple's only customer anyway. however, it's *not* a pro level tool. for that, get lightroom. Already have it, fanboy. resorting to ad hominems means you have nothing. And that's a workflow where Adobe is helping me to become OS-agnostic so that I have options other than being held hostage to the whims of Apple. you're not apple's only customer. buy something else if you want. nobody gives a ****. As such, it wasn't even a decent replacement for iPhoto, let alone Aperture. The only reason why photos hasn't gotten totally slammed is because most customers today are iOS based casual users who've never used anything better. no, it's because casual users don't *need* anything better. those who do need something better overwhelmingly chose lightroom over aperture and never even considered iphoto or photos. With the real reason why was because they were already on Windows. nope. on *just* the mac, where aperture had a significant home field advantage, lightroom was still the preferred choice. as i said, aperture was so slow when it came out that apple said it was only for powermacs. meanwhile, lightroom ran quite well on low end macs, faster than aperture did on top of the line macs. And more are switching every day because Apple's inaction and failure to cultivate existing relationships has effectively told their photo-centric customer market to go **** off. also wrong. As I said ... disenchanted customer & increasingly cynical APPL stockholder, as I do see Cook driving the company off a cliff for a likely fatal crash. put your money where your mouth is and sell your entire holdings. you won't. |
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One photog's not so great experience with Apple
On 18/09/2018 15:17, nospam wrote:
In article , -hh wrote: snip apple isn't having such problems across all of their product lines. Listen to yourself! Its like saying that a car with three flat tires is just "doing fine". nonsense. apple sells hundreds of millions of devices per year. nothing is perfect and a small number will have problems, no different than other companies. overall, the defect rate is very low. But that user had problems with consecutive devices. Given that the odds of a defective device are small, several in a row takes you in to the realms of fantasy. I think something else is at work. -- Cheers, Rob |
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One photog's not so great experience with Apple
In article , RJH wrote:
But that user had problems with consecutive devices. Given that the odds of a defective device are small, several in a row takes you in to the realms of fantasy. I think something else is at work. it's extremely unlikely to get multiple lemons in a row, but it's also not zero. it also is not unique to apple: https://www.dell.com/community/Custo...TERS-2-LEMONS/ td-p/4743361 2 DELL COMPUTERS = 2 LEMONS I purchased my first dell a year ago, within a few months the touchpad was inoperable.* I own my own business, purchased through the small business department, I begged to have the computer replaced.* Two months later, I finally received a new computer after four repair attempts.* Opened the new box this week: 1)* the keypad is not functional (adds spaces eliminates spaces at will) 2) the mouse/cursor takes over the computer by itself and runs around the page opening things and* jerks around spontaneously 3) when multiple windows are open everything shakes and 4) when scrolling the monitor cuts out and goes to black over and over.* I have spent 900.00 and I have yet to have a computer* one year later that works.** https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/co...will_not_stand _behind_my_two_thinkpad_p50/ FYI not all Thinkpads are tanks and deserving of their reputation.. I own a small software business. I have owned 2 thinkpads in the past that have been rock solid. Last Feb two of my developers needed new laptops, so I ordered them 2 geeked out P50s, confident that these machine would last them 3 years. Both of these machines have been absolute lemons and now that the warranty has expired Lenovo is refusing to fix or replace them. Both have have been sent in for repairs 4 times in less than a year. One is completely dead and the other is on the brink of dying(When you shut if off it won't turn back on unless you take the battery out first). So basically at this point I have spent 4.5K on one brick and one soon to be brick. I am done with Thinkpads and Lenovo. https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/DROID-T...ltiple-Replace ment-Phones-Looking-for-Help/td-p/3609782 I orignally sent my phone in under warranty about a month ago for a green line one screen and had the advanced replacement and they sent out another.* The new device had a loose item in the speaker area that would rattle upon vibration.* I called upon the second time and received another device.* Upon receiving this device the back was not fully adheadered. It would lift and you could push it back down but it would lift again.* I just received a 3rd device and the flash on the phone is not properly aligned and there is a rattle around this area as well.* I was trying to receive a different and new device to stop having to receive the device, transfer data, and go to the post office every week.* If I could please get some help above the phone as they seemed rather unhelpful. |
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One photog's not so great experience with Apple
On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 10:17:28 AM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
-hh wrote: Now some people will try to blame Intel for this (see below), but that doesn't excuse bugs in the OS, or defective motherboards (see iPhone 8 recall), and the all-too-many other recent examples of Apple shipping "beta" quality products.. those are separate issues, especially the iphone 8, which doesn't use an intel x86 processor. some versions have an intel baseband but that's entirely different. That Apple is having such problems across all of their product lines ... including those without Intel CPUs ... means that the common problem isn't one supplier (Intel), but at Apple. apple isn't having such problems across all of their product lines. Listen to yourself! Its like saying that a car with three flat tires is just "doing fine". nonsense. apple sells hundreds of millions of devices per year. nothing is perfect and a small number will have problems, no different than other companies. overall, the defect rate is very low. Yet seemingly every time that Apple has any problem, it causes a huge PR crisis. Upon further investigation, its usually found that Apple caused most of the problem themselves, due to elements such as no transparency with their customer on their unilateral decision to throttle performance based on battery health, etc. Particularly since in the meantime, there's been other companies who sell similarly small form factor desktop PCs who _have_ been able to keep their hardware designs up-to-date. macbooks and imacs were recently updated, which are about 90% of mac sales. And design-wise, the mini is nothing more than just a repackaged Macbook, which incurs minimal developmental & deployment costs. nonsense. They were, but the laptops have gotten upgrades. And largely the iMac had traditionally been no better - there were years where iMac customers griped about it having "mobile" class components (particularly GPUs) which were limiting the performance potential of a plug-into-the-wall desktop system. the imac pro is well ahead of what pcs have to offer at similar prices. Depends on what's important to one's workflow & needs as to if it is better or not. yep. If you want a beautiful screen but with obscene internal storage prices, and zero repairability, the iMac Pro is for you. the screen is nice, however, the storage prices are not obscene... Apple is asking $700-$800 per TB, which is roughly double the street retail for M.2 NVMe sticks (which have just as good of bandwidth when they're also RAID0'ed). ... and if it fails, bring it to an apple store and they'll fix it. Where the cost of repair will be higher when the damn SSD has been soldered in place on the motherboard. Plus their new T2 chip also means that all data is encrypted and therefore irrecoverable...better pray that your backup is good enough: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274021-it-might-be-impossible-to-recover-data-from-a-2018-macbook-if-the-logic-board-fails Plus Apple still doesn't offer Enterprise class on-site service at any price. Really raising the bar there on customer focus /S very little these days can be repaired by the user. try fixing a microsoft surface laptop. opening it up will destroy it. In the meantime, all current & recent generation MacBook Pros when replacing the defective keyboard incurs a motherboard replacement too. https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/17/1...face-teardown- ifixit-impossible-repair MicrosoftÄ s Surface computers have never scored particularly well when it comes to repairability âı look no further than its Surface Book from a couple of years ago, which scored a 1/10 rating. This new computer scores even worse: 0/10. iFixit reports ... Look in context at their list: https://www.ifixit.com/laptop-repairability?sort=score Okay, MS has a zero entry ... but its their only entry. In the meantime, Apple has: 12 entries with a "1" score +2 with a "2" +7 more with a "4" ... but none of these are newer than 2015. +2 more with a "7" from way back in 2011/2012. And when looking at dates, all of the 2018 & 2017 Macs scored no better than a "1". Its pretty damn clear that Apple's design trend intent results in vastly decreased serviceability, which also invariably raise customer lifecycle costs. Their verdict? ĊItÄ s a glue-filled monstrosity. There is nothing about it that is upgradable or long-lasting, and it literally canÄ t be opened without destroying it.Ë IIRC, the trend of glue started with Apple, specifically the MacBook Air... nothing comes close to the performance of the latest iphones. even last year's iphones were beating the competition. Better is the enemy of good enough. What I need from my iPhones (yes, that's plural) is better battery life, not faster frame rates to play games. iphones already have exceptionally good battery life, much better than most android phones. YMMV for what you consider "exceptional", for I've had instances within the past six months where I've had to very proactively conserve power (by completely shutting down) merely because of a day being made longer by a few time zones. I've also had surprises of "got to plug it in during the drive home" because it was already in low battery mode because it did something that sucked itself dry during the day. since people charge their phone every night, it only needs to last a full day with some remaining so there's no battery anxiety, which it definitely does. Incorrect, for it really comes down to utilization. During the 2010 Iceland Volcano fiasco, I was stuck in EU trying to arrange flights and was recharging 3x/day. iphones typically get 2 days on a single charge, so it's not an issue unless someone is away from all sources of power for an extended period of time, something that is extremely unlikely. Two days ... if you basically don't use it. Right now its lunchtime and my 6s is reading ~75% ... that's 25% down despite only having used it for ~4 minutes of actual use out of my pocket this morning. Yesterday was a low batt mode day by 5pm, despite that it hadn't been a high utilization day. Oh, and dual SIMs (real ones, not an eSIM) for use when on international travel to take advantage of non-outrageous local cellular costs would be nice too. esims are *far* better for the user, which is why the carriers are fighting it so hard. they do not want to lose their tight grip on the customer. Understood, but that day is still years off, so this is a *current* requirement. The first time that I had a $1500 monthly bill was quite fun trying to get accounting to approve it. user error. Where the "error" was that the user actually used their phone. /S In actuality, this is illustrating just how rude of a grip the US Carriers have over their customers. On my recent trip to Iceland, the prepaid SIM was unlimited talk/text & 1GB data ... for only $25. This is not only roughly half the price that my US Carrier wanted to charge for access, but their higher rate was for zero voice/text and 1/5th as much data. apple admitted they made a mistake with the trashcan mac pro. Way back in April 2017, so where the **** is its replacement already? 18 months is not very long. apple's product cycles are 2-3 years. And 2-3 years from when the Trash Can first shipped in 2013 is ... 2-3 years ago. That it took them so long to 'fess up to having screwed up is a sign of bad leadership. at the time of its release, it was very good, but it turned out to be a mistake. nobody is perfect. Where 'very good' means criticism from the non-Final Cut Pro segments of professionals from the week it was first announced. Later, even the FCPX customers came to bitch about fried video cards. every company makes mistakes, apple is no exception. they've admitted it and are working on the next version. Per your own claim of product cycles, they knew they had a fatal dead end design problem by 2015 ... and yet it still took them basically another design cycle to just hold a press conference to admit that they'd screwed up ... and as of right now today, they should be 50% - 75% through their *third* design cycle, and still have nothing to show for it. at least it wasn't as bad as the microsoft kin, which was canceled a month after it was announced.... Incorrect, since the kin didn't have an existing customer base. or the samsung galaxy note 7, where the risk of fire was *very* high. Except that Samsung did handle that problem openly...unlike Apple. Keep in mind that it only took Apple six (6) months to ship "Yikes!". that wasn't a complete redesign and an entirely different era. As if it requires a "complete redesign" for them to replace the guts of the "cheese grater" a third time. /S Because there's _still_ nothing wrong with the pre-trashcan Mac Pro design, other than Apple not wanting to. there's plenty wrong with it. the cheese grater was an ok design 15 years ago. today it's *awful*. there is *no* need for a 40 pound computer. True, the cheese grater was a heavy beast, due to its thick sheets of aluminum courtesy of Johnny Ive... but the burden of having a heavy desktop PC is only an occasional inconvenience when it needs to be relocated. Plus the key point in referring back to the cheese grater isn't its weight, but the design form factor that provides plenty of elbow room for a motherboard of varying layouts, etc. The longer that a next Mac Pro doesn't ship - - the bigger of a disaster it is going to be, with a closed and non-maintainable architecture that's only good for Apple. nonsense. Intel routinely provides off-the-shelf reference motherboards for their CPUs, and it isn't Rocket Science to put a case around one of them with an SSD. So then just what has Apple been _allegedly_ working so diligently on for the past 18 (and counting) months if it isn't some way to not build a commodity PC? they've been working on a redesigned mac pro, which will probably be announced next year sometime. No, they've *said* that they're working on it. And there still isn't any firm release date, so it is classical vaporware. are you accusing apple of making false and misleading statements? Nope - merely repeating what Apple Fanboys have said about Apple's competitors for the past twenty years. Prove me wrong by citing the release date that Apple has published in a Press Release that's archived on Apple's website. Unless you can produce that, the words are just more vaporware. nobody said there was an exact release date. apple *has* said they are working on a new mac pro. if you think that statement is false, then provide proof. Its still vaporware. FYI, Apple also said that the iMac Pro would be able to have its RAM upgraded after point of sale, even if it required Genius installation. So just where has this promise been implemented as available for sale in the Apple Store? The MacBook Air isn't a spring chicken either; its running on a Broadwell CPU from 2015, and its last "update" was merely a cull of base specifications to options, and decreasing the manufacturing line from six discrete models to two. except that it's still selling quite well. not everyone needs top of the line. Try keeping your excuses consistent: * the mini isn't being updated because it isn't selling well * the air isn't being updated because it _is_ selling well they're not excuses and it's two different products. The rationalization attempt is still a flagrant self-contradiction. there is no rationalization. Its still a self-contradiction on your part. i said the air *was* updated, just not at the same price point, so they kept the old air around, which is an extremely popular product. The air's last "update" was to kill off the 11" and to make the previously optional 13" version the new base version. That's why they went from six part#s to just two. the retina macbook is the macbook air replacement, except for the price, which is why the air is still being sold. "It is, except for how it isn't" /S apple kept the 2012 non-retina macbook around for a few years because users kept buying them. they also kept the ipad 2 around for a few years because users kept buying them too. Those were for .edu sales...and the early retina display models had a pretty steep price markup, which motivated some customers to sidestep them, just as is being done of late with the non-touchbar MBP's. nope. there was no restriction on who could buy them. edu did buy a lot because of the price, but so did non-edu customers. What I wrote isn't contradicted by what you said. you said it was for edu sales. it wasn't. it was for anyone who wanted to buy it. it happened that edu was among those who wanted to buy it, however, that was *not* why the product existed. No, it existed because of .edu commitments and when they were no longer obligated to have it available for .edu, they dropped it. The commitments to .edu didn't require exclusivity, so Apple was free to offer it to the general public...in small part because they learned from the eMac: the emac was originally edu only, except that non-edu customer demand was high enough where apple decided to sell it to anyone. that is not the case here. more recently, the logitech crayon was edu only, and only this past month was it made available to non-edu. and keep in mind that there's a processor change brewing. Yeah, I've heard those rumors too. Knowing how Apple likes to vertically integrate, there's chance, but the problem with it is that it takes 2+ years for the software vendors to all provide updates to make a new workflow actually better; BTDT x3. nonsense. for most developers, it's little more than recompiling and testing. They still got to go do it.... ...and as I pointed out, even Apple hasn't done a good job in finishing even getting all of their OS-supplied Apps up to 64 bit. nonsense. Which is why you later deleted this URL link that substantiated that statement: http://www.applemust.com/rejoice-apple-will-let-you-play-dvds-on-mojave-macs/ ios apps are already compiled for x86 and arm. for apps on the app store, developers won't even need to do the first part because apple's bitcode can build the appropriate binary on the fly. more complex apps may need additional work, but certainly not 2-3 years worth. How long did it take Adobe to give Mac Photoshop 64-bit support? very bad example. It still happened, though. adobe was caught off guard when apple canceled 64 bit carbon, forcing them to move to cocoa a *lot* faster than they had originally planned, adding unexpected delays. Adobe claims that they were caught off guard, but the depreciation of carbon was still in the roadmap and here's the key point that you're ignoring: despite Adobe being a big & well-resourced company, it still took them a loooong time to redeploy. Plus Adobe's corporate plan today is for a single common code base, which has meant that any optimizations have been tailored for Intel architecture only, and not OS specific. The ramifications of this for an Apple proprietary ARM is that Adobe won't be optimizing for it. that is not applicable to an arm transition, especially store apps. also keep in mind that apple is in a position where they could license x86 for a future chip of their own design. a better example would be the intel transition, where apple said one adobe engineer was able to get photoshop mostly working in a weekend. Yet it still took Adobe 18 months after deploying Native support for 64-bit on Windows (CS4) to similarly deploy it for OS X (in CS5), even after allegedly having been working on the OS X version during the CS4 effort. the reality is that most apps need little more than a recompile for 64 bit, assuming the developers used the standard apis which handle word lengths and endianness. if they didn't, then they have only themselves to blame for the mess they created. it's not apple's fault that some programmers don't know what they're doing. Power Apps find their performance where they find it, outside of approved APIs or otherwise. Likewise, corporate profit goals will push coding teams to neglect spending the overhead costs for code updates & modernization until the product is clearly untenable. obviously, anything that relies on specifics about the x86 instruction set or hardware will need more effort, but very, very few apps fall into that category. In the meantime, customers have to cope with deoptimal code klunges that make the "better" hardware not run as good as the old stuff.. ...which is precisely what's happened historically on each of Apple's prior major CPU architecture changes. nonsense. the 68k emulation on powerpc was about as perfect as it could be, emulating 68k so well that even low level debuggers worked without issue. Perfect doesn't mean "as fast". 68k apps also ran faster on a powermac under emulation than they did on a 68k mac for all sorts of reasons, with the second version of the emulator being even faster. Quite an odd claim, given that you today consider +35% and +50% gains to be a negligible improvements not even worth bothering with... apple's a11 and a12 chips in their iphones are benchmarking in the range of macbooks, in some cases better, and that's with a chip designed to run on a small battery in a pocket sized device. Still doesn't solve the Application software problem. And given how Apple is struggling to get even their own core Apps up to 64 bit clean before they EOL themselves, the prospects of a new CPU change not being an utter disaster are pretty damn low. nonsense. You clearly don't keep up well on the real Apple news, for it was but just three months ago (June 2018), Apple finally got around to updating OSX's DVD player app to be 64-bit compliant: so what? Merely the principle of Lead By Example. 32 bit apps work fine and will continue to work fine until *next* year. apple has plenty of time, as do other developers. Given that 32-to-64 bit on the Mac took Adobe eighteen months, affording a "one year from now is plenty of time" is whistling through the graveyard. you might have noticed that macs no longer have a dvd player, which means the need for it is almost zero. apple could remove the app entirely and most people would never notice. Just because _you_ don't in _your_ workflow ... ios is getting most of the attention. As a consumption platform. imovie, photoshop and thousands of other apps say nope. iMovie, like iPhoto and iWeb ... are dead to Apple. iweb is, but imovie and iphoto (now photos) are not. Photos isn't a superset of iPhoto, so it isn't a continuation. And iMovie had its last non-maintenance update three years ago, back in 2015. Its another example of Apple neglect. adobe has announced that the full version of photoshop is coming to ios. that's certainly not a consumption app. Adobe has always been pretty savvy about market segments; time will tell if they got this one right, or not. And even though Photoshop has become a rent-based cash cow for Adobe, it exists more so today because they went platform agnostic so that they wouldn't have to tolerate Apple's inconsistencies. nonsense. There's a lot more Windows-based Adobe customers than there are OSX-based ones; Adobe knows where their bread is buttered. it's not an excuse. lightroom won the battle from the very beginning and apple decided their resources were better spent elsewhere. LR has had its problems too nothing is perfect. ... Apple poured tons of money into other endeavors and tortured their Aperture customers with a long lingering death. yep. apple should have killed off aperture much earlier than they did, but that would have ****ed off even more people. Or (gasp!) they could have actually devoted some respectable amount of resources to it, so as to make it a viable & competitive product. photos is much better than iphoto and *significantly* faster. photos was never intended to be a replacement for aperture, which is where most of the complaints come from. its for casual users, not photo enthusiasts. photos is faster...but that's it. it still can't even do today what iPhoto did back in 2015, particularly in terms of DAM. nonsense. it handles larger libraries and muuuuuuch faster. There isn't an iOS device made that can support my libraries. who said anything about ios, and you're not apple's only customer anyway. iOS is relevant to a discussion of Photos because that's its core target audience, not OSX. And given that I've had the iPhoto Library Upgrader tool completely fail when trying to convert iPhoto to Photos, its ability to handle supposedly larger libraries has no credible supporting evidence in my book. however, it's *not* a pro level tool. for that, get lightroom. Already have it, fanboy. resorting to ad hominems means you have nothing. Well then, I'll revise the above to the following: "Incorrect. Now just what is wrong with you for you to have made a completely unsupported and downright arrogant assumption about what tools I happen to use?". And that's a workflow where Adobe is helping me to become OS-agnostic so that I have options other than being held hostage to the whims of Apple. you're not apple's only customer. buy something else if you want. nobody gives a ****. If nobody gave a ****, you wouldn't have bothered to post. So try to prove yourself correct by not replying to this post. As such, it wasn't even a decent replacement for iPhoto, let alone Aperture. The only reason why photos hasn't gotten totally slammed is because most customers today are iOS based casual users who've never used anything better. no, it's because casual users don't *need* anything better. those who do need something better overwhelmingly chose lightroom over aperture and never even considered iphoto or photos. With the real reason why was because they were already on Windows. nope. on *just* the mac, where aperture had a significant home field advantage, lightroom was still the preferred choice. as i said, aperture was so slow when it came out that apple said it was only for powermacs. meanwhile, lightroom ran quite well on low end macs, faster than aperture did on top of the line macs. And whose fault was it that Apple couldn't optimize Apple's software equal to (let alone better) than Adobe was optimizing Adobe's software? And more are switching every day because Apple's inaction and failure to cultivate existing relationships has effectively told their photo-centric customer market to go **** off. also wrong. You need to talk with fewer fanboys and more photographers. As I said ... disenchanted customer & increasingly cynical APPL stockholder, as I do see Cook driving the company off a cliff for a likely fatal crash. put your money where your mouth is and sell your entire holdings. you won't. Oh, such brash childishness! What I've really said is that I'm no longer an APPL fanboy who makes emotionally based decisions on the stock too. That means that APPL needs to hold its own in my portfolio, or it will most certainly indeed get sold off, no different than any other investment. And sure, I've noted that there's a growing downside risk AFAIC with APPL that may very well result in a large, rapid decline. That's what's resulted in a "flashing yellow" warning from my perspective, which comes back to a personal YMMV on when to take action based on budgets, timelines, & risk tolerances. -hh |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:42:22 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: What makes you think he made it up? If what he wrote is not correct he can be sued for gazillions. the price comparisons were made up. But what about the reliability problems? They are much more important. what about them? he got a string of lemons. he was unlucky. very unlucky. certainly you don't think a sample size of one person is in any way indicative of more than 1 billion apple customers worldwide, do you? I hope not, but what are the odds against a single customer getting so many lemons in a row? obviously not very high, but it's also not zero. "Not close to zero" suggests a defect rate much further away from zero. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:55:42 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: --- snip --- My new iMac with a 4.2GHz i7, 32GB DDR4, and a great 27â (5120 x 2880) âRetina Displayâ has been my best Mac experience to date. For me it is breathing new life into LR CCC, and PS CC. I have every expectation that it will perform well. I know the sensation. I had the same experience when I got my new machine up and away. I suspect that getting the i1 calibration under way on the two wider gamut screens made much of the difference. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 18/09/2018 17:31, nospam wrote:
In article , RJH wrote: But that user had problems with consecutive devices. Given that the odds of a defective device are small, several in a row takes you in to the realms of fantasy. I think something else is at work. it's extremely unlikely to get multiple lemons in a row, but it's also not zero. No, of course. But he seemed to get identical issues across completely different computers. He shows an identical graphics glitch across 2 iMacs for example. 'Preparing 3000 Keynote slides' for example suggests something of an edge case - either say revealing a hard/software glitch, or creating a problem. -- Cheers, Rob |
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On 19/09/2018 12:11, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 19 September 2018 07:28:25 UTC+1, RJH wrote: On 18/09/2018 17:31, nospam wrote: In article , RJH wrote: But that user had problems with consecutive devices. Given that the odds of a defective device are small, several in a row takes you in to the realms of fantasy. I think something else is at work. it's extremely unlikely to get multiple lemons in a row, but it's also not zero. No, of course. But he seemed to get identical issues across completely different computers. He shows an identical graphics glitch across 2 iMacs for example. which could be due to an external influence I;ve seen that before with monitors we has half a dozen all displaying similar shimmering. It was done to a wallmark plug that was used creatiung internerence opnce those were stitched off everything was fine. Incedently when I first worked here I was told that when we started up our HV lab we first had to phone the local hospital telling them we were producing a large magnetic filed which might or would affect their instruments. Yes - that's the sort of thing I sort of thing I mean. There's cause, coincidence, left-field variables and weird. And in this case I get a feeling it's not the first 2. -- Cheers, Rob |
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On 9/17/2018 9:55 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:32:22 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On Sep 17, 2018, MC wrote (in article ): -hh wrote: But please entertain us with how I'm supposedly "envious", particularly in light of how I've expressed frustration at the lack of a viable new Mac Pro to replace my current ones...as well as how for my workflow use case, a Windows PC would save me ~$2K per seat. Sure, OS X is nice, but is it still ~$2K worth of nice? It seems that "Apple envy" is the only comback these two Apple fanbois have in their armoury when it comes to describing anybody who even slightly disses their beloved Apple. They must lay awake all night fretting that anyone should dare cast negative comment. As an Apple user, I have no issue with folks who choose to use other operating systems. However, It seems that there are individuals who relish announcing negative reports regarding Apple products when they have no flesh in the game. This is particularly irritating when my experience has been counter to any of the reported issues. I had an iPhone 6+ which has never had any of the battery issues (my step-daughter is using it now, still without issue, and I am now using an iPhone 8+). I have used Apple computers since 1983, and iMacs, and various Apple laptops since 1998. They have been the trouble free host to Lightroom, Photoshop, and other photography related apps in all the time I have used them. Personally I see much of the reporting of the imminent demise of Apple products as unwarranted FUD. As for âApple envyâ, that is not my argument. I would say that it is more a case of Apple ignorance as means of justifying choices users of other systems have made. They do say that those in denial are the one to bite hardest in the hope all it will all go away. In this instant, denial that Apple are becoming very ordinary in the tech world and that they are still paying a premium for the privilage to stay on the Apple mediocrity carousel. ...and yet in all the time I have used Apple products I have not experienced any of this âApple mediocrityâ, and I have been more than happy to pay that âpremium" for my smooth, and trouble free Apple experience. So on my part there has been nothing to deny. That was not my experience using Windows machines at work, nor was it the experience of co-workers using Windows. As I have said elsewhere, I have not had to use a Windows machine since I retired in Feb. 2009, and for that I am thankful. I accept and understand all this. I can only hope that the reliability of your new Apple purchase will be as good as your previus Apple devices. So far, so good. My new iMac with a 4.2GHz i7, 32GB DDR4, and a great 27â (5120 x 2880) âRetina Displayâ has been my best Mac experience to date. For me it is breathing new life into LR CCC, and PS CC. I have every expectation that it will perform well. Enjoy it. -- PeterN |
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