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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use infirmware
On 20-06-09 20:48, Robert Coe wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:34:57 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: : Panasonic issues 'battery safety' firmware : : Panasonic has released firmware updates for its latest digital cameras : including the GH1, G1, ZS3 and TS1. The new firmware can identify : genuine Panasonic batteries and _prevents the use of any third party : battery packs_. The company says it has taken this move to ensure safety : of its users against possible injuries because of overcharging, internal : heating or short circuit in third-party batteries. : : http://www.dpreview.com/news/0906/09...vicenotice.asp : : What a BS ploy. (And I hope this does not occur to Sony). Surely you jest. Sony is the company that once sneaked operating system changes into users' computers to prevent them from "stealing" content from Sony CDs. And it cost them dearly in reputation. They will be a lot more careful in the future. To date they are not forcing their batteries on people. That is the point. And their DSLR's support CF cards. And support Minolta lenses. A few years ago laptop batteries sold by Dell and several other manufacturers started exploding and starting fires. Some of the manufacturers had to issue recalls. Who actually made the offending batteries for those manufacturers? Sony. Which in an odd way proves my point. More suppliers are better than fewer. As to the Sony batteries, as unfortunate as those failures were, it was a near inevitable consequence of making Li-ion batteries - learning curve. I think it's fair to say that if there's a way to make an extra buck, it has already occurred to Sony. Not according to their financial results. They've had a rough time of this current climate. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use infirmware
On 21-06-09 00:39, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
In articleepednUbel9xv2qDXnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews. com, Alan wrote: Panasonic issues 'battery safety' firmware Panasonic has released firmware updates for its latest digital cameras including the GH1, G1, ZS3 and TS1. The new firmware can identify genuine Panasonic batteries and _prevents the use of any third party battery packs_. The company says it has taken this move to ensure safety of its users against possible injuries because of overcharging, internal heating or short circuit in third-party batteries. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0906/09...vicenotice.asp What a BS ploy. (And I hope this does not occur to Sony). Calling for a boycott is a bit strong. It's better to warn people and let them them decide that Panasonic is full of crap on their own. I just bought a Panasonic TV a few hours ago. This kind of BS would make me cancel my order if I could. I bought a Panasonic television (plasma) and blu ray player at the end of 2007. Fine equipment - quite pleased. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use in firmware
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
... Which in an odd way proves my point. More suppliers are better than fewer. As to the Sony batteries, as unfortunate as those failures were, it was a near inevitable consequence of making Li-ion batteries - learning curve. There's usually a balance between authority and society, or brands and the market. I note, Ray Bradbury is railing against the internet and he has a point. The tiny bit I pay attention to isn't very good, and I get a similar discomfort with the traditional darkroom versus the digital darkroom. -- Charles E Hardwidge |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use in firmware
"David J Taylor" wrote in message om... PDM wrote: [] Would never ever consider buying Panasonic again. Everything I ever bought doesn't work properly as it should or broke soon after the guarantee ran out: TVs, freeview boxes (11 and 2 set on fire) DVD recorders, cameras, et al. High spec but poor component quality, and their batteries are probably 3rd party crap as well. PDM Sorry to hear you've had problems. All the Panasonic items I have bought have worked perfectly, including three very excellent digital cameras. I've used both Panasonic original and 3rd party batteries, and had no trouble with either. Strongly recommended. David Strongly not recommended PDM |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use infirmware
Alan Browne wrote:
Most of these 3rd party batteries, esp. Li-ion, have the protection circuit built in and this is stated on their product sheets. There are some 3rd party batteries that don't, by your own admission. (And I am not even talking about falsely labelled capacities and incorrect claims on product sheets.) In my part of the world, seatbelts are not considered optional by the law (nor by almost all people), even if most, nay, almost all car uses do not include accidents. And that is what I checked (via the re-seller) when I bought them. And the part about accidents is proven by statistics, even the government statistics bureau and the politicans freely says so. All this is is a ploy to force OEM battery purchases. All this must be a ploy to force people to wear seatbelts without any need, right? Now I wait for statements along the lines "Here I present you 3 dozen old men who were heavy smokers all of their life. See, smoking doesn't affect your health." -Wolfgang |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use infirmware
Alan Browne wrote:
Panasonic issues 'battery safety' firmware Panasonic has released firmware updates for its latest digital cameras including the GH1, G1, ZS3 and TS1. The new firmware can identify genuine Panasonic batteries and _prevents the use of any third party battery packs_. The company says it has taken this move to ensure safety of its users against possible injuries because of overcharging, internal heating or short circuit in third-party batteries. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0906/09...vicenotice.asp What a BS ploy. (And I hope this does not occur to Sony). Okay, I'll boycott them. Again. Isn't the fact that they're noise boxes already enough of a reason to avoid them at all costs? |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use infirmware
On 21-06-09 13:13, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
"Alan Browne" wrote in message ... Which in an odd way proves my point. More suppliers are better than fewer. As to the Sony batteries, as unfortunate as those failures were, it was a near inevitable consequence of making Li-ion batteries - learning curve. There's usually a balance between authority and society, or brands and the market. I note, Ray Bradbury is railing against the internet and he has a point. The tiny bit I pay attention to isn't very good, and I get a similar discomfort with the traditional darkroom versus the digital darkroom. You keep raising objections to your own progress with digital photography. Take the Nike attitude. Ray Bradbury is one of the brighter lights of fiction, esp. science fiction coupled to social realities. I can see how he would see the negatives in the internet. However, like all double edged swords, the internet has its overwhelmingly positive side as it does its negative - people need to focus on getting positive value from it. A friend of mine, no wilting flower where it comes to technology, marketing and media, has all but sworn off reading or listening to the news. It has become to him a mind distracting repetitious blur that has almost no bearing on his life. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use infirmware
On 21-06-09 13:34, SMS wrote:
Alan Browne wrote: Panasonic issues 'battery safety' firmware Panasonic has released firmware updates for its latest digital cameras including the GH1, G1, ZS3 and TS1. The new firmware can identify genuine Panasonic batteries and _prevents the use of any third party battery packs_. The company says it has taken this move to ensure safety of its users against possible injuries because of overcharging, internal heating or short circuit in third-party batteries. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0906/09...vicenotice.asp What a BS ploy. (And I hope this does not occur to Sony). Okay, I'll boycott them. Again. Isn't the fact that they're noise boxes already enough of a reason to avoid them at all costs? Doesn't count if you're not in the market... ;-) I don't know that they're noise boxes. From most of what I hear/read Panasonic make very good digital cameras, both 4/3 and other. That's not to say they could be as good as an APS-C or FF. Their best noise performance is limited to a narrower ISO range, that's all. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use in firmware
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
... On 21-06-09 13:13, Charles E Hardwidge wrote: There's usually a balance between authority and society, or brands and the market. I note, Ray Bradbury is railing against the internet and he has a point. The tiny bit I pay attention to isn't very good, and I get a similar discomfort with the traditional darkroom versus the digital darkroom. You keep raising objections to your own progress with digital photography. Take the Nike attitude. Ray Bradbury is one of the brighter lights of fiction, esp. science fiction coupled to social realities. I can see how he would see the negatives in the internet. However, like all double edged swords, the internet has its overwhelmingly positive side as it does its negative - people need to focus on getting positive value from it. A friend of mine, no wilting flower where it comes to technology, marketing and media, has all but sworn off reading or listening to the news. It has become to him a mind distracting repetitious blur that has almost no bearing on his life. I'm taking a balanced view, and that was really the point behind my comment so there's no violent disagreement here. I've stopped watching broadcast TV, don't read the media, and don't vote for similar reasons. I think, it's important to find yourself as much as finding the shot and, in some ways, they can be the same thing. -- Charles E Hardwidge |
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Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use infirmware
Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
I'm taking a balanced view, and that was really the point behind my comment so there's no violent disagreement here. I've stopped watching broadcast TV, don't read the media, and don't vote for similar reasons. I think, it's important to find yourself as much as finding the shot and, in some ways, they can be the same thing. You're right Charles... Hearing every day that America is on the verge of a depression after I've already decided to come home (from 30 years in Australia) is disturbing enough but to learn that my home is also home to a bunch of retirees behaving badly... bigots who stick their head in the sand and ignore the even more frightening fact that they created the mess in the first place is even more disturbing. I wouldn't have know anything about it if I'd simply bought a book and not watched TV! -- You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! |
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