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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:25:36 +0100, Tony Polson
wrote: Gisle Hannemyr wrote: Just saw an invitation to a press conference on Sep. 1 where Nikon is going to announce several new products. No details yet - just the assurance that this will be interesting. Hence, the field is open for speculation, which is probably what Nikon wants. Just a new flash, lens or yet another P&S after Canon's 5D announcement would be lame - rather than interesting. The D100 is overdue for a replacement, and the D2x is not, so my money is on that the main event will be the D200. The $64000 question (although I hope it retail for less than that) is whether it will be FF or not. No, it will not. Nikon has a full frame DSLR under development but it will be in the pro series (D3?) and won't be announced until PMA 2006 at the earliest. Shipping won't be before Q3/2006. Tony, How do you know this? Do you go to same shabu-shabu restaurant as some of the senior Nikon execs? Been there when they have all been "singing" after drinking just a wee bit too much? Pricing? |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:49:36 -0400, RichA wrote:
What some people need to do is try not to act like old fogies who for whatever irrational reason can't seem to let go of the "35mm" film size. It has NOTHING to do with digital sensors and legacy lenses do not do justice to a full frame digital sensor anyway. Rich, Ignoring your "get a life" tone of voice, can you cite specific examples? Which older Nikon lenses wouldn't do justice to a full-frame digital sensor? the 43-86 zoom? Some of the series E lenses? the 58 mm f1.4? Abba Kodak |
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SMS wrote:
Gisle Hannemyr wrote: If these are the specs, it sure looks as if it is positioned to compete with the 20D. The only weird bit is 800 as the top ISO sensitivity. Not weird at all, if it really is 1.5x and 12.4 megapixel. Nikon's taken a beating on the noise issues with the D2x at the higher ISOs And Nikon has chosen not to accept the poor WA performance Canon FF cameras have. I know you are obsessed with high ISO noise performance but people that actually USE a camera rather than calculating the specs are more impressed with good optical performace edge to edge. -- Stacey |
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Rox-off wrote:
In article , says... Not weird at all, if it really is 1.5x and 12.4 megapixel. Nikon's taken a beating on the noise issues with the D2x at the higher ISOs--better to just leave it out completely than to have to deal with comparisons with the 20D. What noise issues??? I love how these guys ignore the optical problems the FF canons have with WA optics, but given they never actually USE their camera it doesn't matter? -- Stacey |
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Father Kodak wrote:
Which older Nikon lenses wouldn't do justice to a full-frame digital sensor? You'll have to wait for a full frame camera to find out. Just look at the examples from canon's wide zooms to see how poorly a digital FF sensor can react to use with a "legacy" lens. At least the newer Nikon zooms are being designed with a longer exit pupil distance so they at least have a good chance of being FF friendly. -- Stacey |
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Stacey wrote:
Father Kodak wrote: Which older Nikon lenses wouldn't do justice to a full-frame digital sensor? You'll have to wait for a full frame camera to find out. Kodak DCS 14n? Kodak DCS Pro/N? Did I mention Kodak? ;-) |
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In article , Stacey wrote:
Father Kodak wrote: Which older Nikon lenses wouldn't do justice to a full-frame digital sensor? You'll have to wait for a full frame camera to find out. You can just get a Nikon-to-Canon mount adapter, and try those lenses on a Canon full-frame body. -- That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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In article ,
Bart van der Wolf wrote: "Philip Homburg" wrote in message q.phicoh.net... SNIP I wonder how far the resolution of 1.5 crop sensors can be pushed without seriously compromising dynamic range. Since Dynamic range is determined by potential well depth and noise, the well depth limitation of/by small sensor elements seems to be the issue to me (noise reduction can only be improved to a point). And well depth is limited by design to roughly scale with sensel size/area. I know how it scales, but are current designs at the limit? Another thing (I have no idea if that would work), as far as I understand, you get photon shot noise when photons are turned into electrons. What happens if you use the CMOS circuitry to store just 1 electron for every 10 'photon-related' electrons? -- That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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Stacey wrote:
You'll have to wait for a full frame camera to find out. Just look at the examples from canon's wide zooms to see how poorly a digital FF sensor can react to use with a "legacy" lens. At least the newer Nikon zooms are being designed with a longer exit pupil distance so they at least have a good chance of being FF friendly. It would be interesting, once the 5D is here, given the poor example Canon posted, a test with that Canon zoom compared to the Nikon 17-35 mounted on the 5D via an adapter. I for one would love to see how much of the problem can be solved by the lens design. It would make it that much easier to see how viable full-frame really is at the present time. -- Jeremy | |
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