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On 2011-11-30 13:20:01 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2011-11-30 04:20:23 -0800, Pete A said:

On 2011-11-30 04:42:52 +0000, Robert Coe said:

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:08:22 +0000, Pete A
wrote:
: The South Korean company Hyundai is totally different: unless one
: learnt the language as a child it is impossible to pronounce the name
: hence there are so many variations of it bandied about.

I don't know a word of Korean, but I do cringe every time I hear a U.S. TV
commercial call it "HUN-day".

Same here.

More info on pronunciation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai#cite_note-0

Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.

In many parts of the UK, those who pronounce things correctly are
considered to be abnormal and/or social misfits. There seems to be
strong resistance to learning facts.

I find the best way to get on with people is to speak their language
rather than use correct terminology and pronunciation, innit?

Getting back to automotive name manglings, two others that the top the
list are Por-Sha/Porsh and Nissan/NeesHan/Nissen. Those together with
the GM habit of adding model names based on an historic past, intended
to add an implied air of pseudo elegance, for example, the much
butchered "Brougham", "Cabriolet", "LeSabre", "LaCrosse", etc.

Although my diction is pretty awful, even I baulk at these things.

I've noticed that some of the ultra-cheap domestic products on sale in
UK supermarkets have a brand name that, when spoken, sounds remarkably
similar to a well-established up-market brand. It this bluff used
worldwide?

...and when it comes to cringe-worthy name, and any word he chooses
mangling, nobody does it better, more often, with unique results, and
with more conviction than the entertaining Jeremy Clarkson on any of
his shows.

Dew mean Jerimy Claaxon? His shews on the tele are quite popala round
ere - e talk posh so e must know what e talkin'bout.

On 2011-11-30 19:05:17 +0000, Bruce said:

Savageduck wrote:
Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.


I believe in praise where praise is due, in this case to the USA for
having a standard pronunciation for each town and city name. So
no-one is in any doubt how to pronounce Des Moines, for example.

In Britain we have many places whose pronunciation would be impossible
to deduce from their spelling; Cholmondeley (pronounced "Chumley") and
Hunstanton (pronounced "Hunston") being only two of thousands of
examples. And let's not even think about Loughborough.

:-)

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:05:17 +0000, Bruce
wrote:

Savageduck wrote:
Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.


I believe in praise where praise is due, in this case to the USA for
having a standard pronunciation for each town and city name. So
no-one is in any doubt how to pronounce Des Moines, for example.

In Britain we have many places whose pronunciation would be impossible
to deduce from their spelling; Cholmondeley (pronounced "Chumley") and
Hunstanton (pronounced "Hunston") being only two of thousands of
examples. And let's not even think about Loughborough.

'Loughborough'! Don't think about Loughborough. Thank heavens!

Now I can stop not thinking about elephants. I'll stop thinking about
Loughborough instead!

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 2011-11-30 11:05:17 -0800, Bruce said:

Savageduck wrote:
Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.


I believe in praise where praise is due, in this case to the USA for
having a standard pronunciation for each town and city name. So
no-one is in any doubt how to pronounce Des Moines, for example.

Regional variations still play a part with locals. My father was born
in LaFayette, GA where it trips from the tongue as "Le-Fayut" vs
"La-Fay-et" and I have heard some other variations. Another is Albany
which has been rendered as "All-binny" and "Al-bunny"

In Britain we have many places whose pronunciation would be impossible
to deduce from their spelling; Cholmondeley (pronounced "Chumley") and
Hunstanton (pronounced "Hunston") being only two of thousands of
examples. And let's not even think about Loughborough.

Two of our classics would be Tucson, AZ and Zzyzx, CA.

Then "Luff-bro", I had a Rhodesian friend who went to Loughborough
University in the 1960's.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2011-11-30 20:06:18 -0800, tony cooper said:

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:18:13 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2011-11-30 11:05:17 -0800, Bruce said:

Savageduck wrote:
Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.


I believe in praise where praise is due, in this case to the USA for
having a standard pronunciation for each town and city name. So
no-one is in any doubt how to pronounce Des Moines, for example.

Regional variations still play a part with locals. My father was born
in LaFayette, GA where it trips from the tongue as "Le-Fayut" vs
"La-Fay-et" and I have heard some other variations.

Indiana's Layfayette (home of Purdue University) is Lah-feh-ette.

I understood Purdue to be at LaFayette, IN, not "LayFayette". ;-)

....and the Georgia LaFayette actually comes over sounding closer to
"Luh-Fayut".
but then we are talking about the state which gave us "Co Cola" as my
Ain Hassie would say.


Another is Albany
which has been rendered as "All-binny" and "Al-bunny"

Indiana's New Albany is "All-banny" to most Hoosiers, but some
Hoosiers have a southern accent and come out with "Ahl-banny".

And, if you go to Versailles, Indiana, be prepared to hear it
pronounced as "Ver-sales" and not "Ver-sigh".

Don't you just love variety? …or should that be inconsistency?


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2011-11-30 19:05:17 +0000, Bruce said:

Savageduck wrote:
Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.


I believe in praise where praise is due, in this case to the USA for
having a standard pronunciation for each town and city name. So
no-one is in any doubt how to pronounce Des Moines, for example.

In Britain we have many places whose pronunciation would be impossible
to deduce from their spelling; Cholmondeley (pronounced "Chumley") and
Hunstanton (pronounced "Hunston") being only two of thousands of
examples. And let's not even think about Loughborough.

We can't leave out Happisburgh pronounced "haze-bru", Hawick (hoyk),
Herstmonceux (herst-mn-soo), Oswaldtwistle (ozzul-twizzle), Wymondham
(wind-um), Costessey (cossy).

Oddly, Southampton is pronounced with an extra H (south-hampton), but
Northampton (north-ampton) is not.

tony cooper wrote:
And, if you go to Versailles, Indiana, be prepared to hear it
pronounced as "Ver-sales" and not "Ver-sigh".

Ah, Versailles, just down the road from Osgood, home of The Damm Theatre.

(My grandparents had some beautiful wooded property just outside of
Versailles. Complete with a natural gas well.)

- Solomon
--
Solomon Peachy pizza at shaftnet dot org
Melbourne, FL ^^ (mail/jabber/gtalk) ^^
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:37:48 +0000, Pete A
wrote:

On 2011-11-30 19:05:17 +0000, Bruce said:

Savageduck wrote:
Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.


I believe in praise where praise is due, in this case to the USA for
having a standard pronunciation for each town and city name. So
no-one is in any doubt how to pronounce Des Moines, for example.

In Britain we have many places whose pronunciation would be impossible
to deduce from their spelling; Cholmondeley (pronounced "Chumley") and
Hunstanton (pronounced "Hunston") being only two of thousands of
examples. And let's not even think about Loughborough.

We can't leave out Happisburgh pronounced "haze-bru", Hawick (hoyk),
Herstmonceux (herst-mn-soo), Oswaldtwistle (ozzul-twizzle), Wymondham
(wind-um), Costessey (cossy).

Oddly, Southampton is pronounced with an extra H (south-hampton), but
Northampton (north-ampton) is not.

Arkansas?

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Bruce writes:

Savageduck wrote:
Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.


I believe in praise where praise is due, in this case to the USA for
having a standard pronunciation for each town and city name. So
no-one is in any doubt how to pronounce Des Moines, for example.

In Britain we have many places whose pronunciation would be impossible
to deduce from their spelling; Cholmondeley (pronounced "Chumley") and
Hunstanton (pronounced "Hunston") being only two of thousands of
examples. And let's not even think about Loughborough.

But lots of people are in doubt as to how to pronounce Des Moines.

Also Nicollet, and Wayzata, and Berlin ("burr-lin", at least in MA), and
Cairo ("kay-row", at least in IL)
--
David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

tony cooper writes:

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:05:17 +0000, Bruce
wrote:

Savageduck wrote:
Hyundai is a great example of the Western ear not being able to wrap
its tongue around an oriental pronunciation. I have to agree that the
nation with the least consistent pronunciation of almost anything, is
the U.S.A. and I believe much of that can be attributed to the global
"melting pot" nature of the American population.
Then if you add in regional accents within many countries and
continental regions all bets are off. Here the two most obvious
culprits are North America, and the entire British Isles.


I believe in praise where praise is due, in this case to the USA for
having a standard pronunciation for each town and city name. So
no-one is in any doubt how to pronounce Des Moines, for example.

I have been in Des Moines and in Des Plaines (IL). The first is a
"dee" and the second is a "dess".

I do "Des Moines" with more of a midwest schwa for the first vowel;
certainly not a full-out "dee".
--
David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info