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Olympus GOES CHEAP. E-3, the flagship, MADE IN CHINA, CHINA!!!!
On Nov 6, 6:33 pm, RainLover
wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:30:21 -0800, RichA wrote: NO other camera company makes their higher end product there, they are all still made in Japan. Olympus is really treading a thin line with this. The idea of "made in China" isn't what it used to be. Can they make CRAP? Sure they can, But they will make anything people want and TO THE SPECIFICATIONS they are asked to make it. If you want a lens made, and hand-ground to some infinitesimal fraction of perfection, that's what they'll do for you... if you want a shoddy toy that falls apart before the next holiday season, they can do that too. Implying "communist china" is equal to "low quality" is a non sequitur at best. James, Port Orchard. Oh sure. Was the last (for e.g.) socket set you bought at Walmart for $10 the equal of a professional, U.S. made set from Sears "as good?" |
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Olympus GOES CHEAP. E-3, the flagship, MADE IN CHINA, CHINA!!!!
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:31:38 -0800, RichA
wrote: On Nov 6, 6:33 pm, RainLover wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:30:21 -0800, RichA wrote: NO other camera company makes their higher end product there, they are all still made in Japan. Olympus is really treading a thin line with this. The idea of "made in China" isn't what it used to be. Can they make CRAP? Sure they can, But they will make anything people want and TO THE SPECIFICATIONS they are asked to make it. If you want a lens made, and hand-ground to some infinitesimal fraction of perfection, that's what they'll do for you... if you want a shoddy toy that falls apart before the next holiday season, they can do that too. Implying "communist china" is equal to "low quality" is a non sequitur at best. James, Port Orchard. Oh sure. Was the last (for e.g.) socket set you bought at Walmart for $10 the equal of a professional, U.S. made set from Sears "as good?" I GUARANTEE that the specifications for the size, and for the quality of metal in both sockets was spelled out EXACTLY to the manufacturer of each. You're suggesting that it's the FACTORY that decides the quality of what they make, but that's backwards... the company contracting with the factory decides. James |
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Olympus GOES CHEAP. E-3, the flagship, MADE IN CHINA, CHINA!!!!
On Nov 7, 8:08 pm, RainLover
wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:31:38 -0800, RichA wrote: On Nov 6, 6:33 pm, RainLover wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:30:21 -0800, RichA wrote: NO other camera company makes their higher end product there, they are all still made in Japan. Olympus is really treading a thin line with this. The idea of "made in China" isn't what it used to be. Can they make CRAP? Sure they can, But they will make anything people want and TO THE SPECIFICATIONS they are asked to make it. If you want a lens made, and hand-ground to some infinitesimal fraction of perfection, that's what they'll do for you... if you want a shoddy toy that falls apart before the next holiday season, they can do that too. Implying "communist china" is equal to "low quality" is a non sequitur at best. James, Port Orchard. Oh sure. Was the last (for e.g.) socket set you bought at Walmart for $10 the equal of a professional, U.S. made set from Sears "as good?" I GUARANTEE that the specifications for the size, and for the quality of metal in both sockets was spelled out EXACTLY to the manufacturer of each. IF you think the products churned out are absolutely to spec, with no variance, you don't know very much about Chinese production. I wonder if the new Zeiss lenses will be fabricated in the toilet that is Communist China? I doubt it. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0711/07110802zeisszfi.asp |
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RichA wrote:
On Nov 7, 8:08 pm, RainLover wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:31:38 -0800, RichA wrote: On Nov 6, 6:33 pm, RainLover wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:30:21 -0800, RichA wrote: NO other camera company makes their higher end product there, they are all still made in Japan. Olympus is really treading a thin line with this. The idea of "made in China" isn't what it used to be. Can they make CRAP? Sure they can, But they will make anything people want and TO THE SPECIFICATIONS they are asked to make it. If you want a lens made, and hand-ground to some infinitesimal fraction of perfection, that's what they'll do for you... if you want a shoddy toy that falls apart before the next holiday season, they can do that too. Implying "communist china" is equal to "low quality" is a non sequitur at best. James, Port Orchard. Oh sure. Was the last (for e.g.) socket set you bought at Walmart for $10 the equal of a professional, U.S. made set from Sears "as good?" I GUARANTEE that the specifications for the size, and for the quality of metal in both sockets was spelled out EXACTLY to the manufacturer of each. IF you think the products churned out are absolutely to spec, with no variance, you don't know very much about Chinese production. I wonder if the new Zeiss lenses will be fabricated in the toilet that is Communist China? I doubt it. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0711/07110802zeisszfi.asp In many cases, the factories churning out cameras etc are owned by the parent company, and produce the stuff to exactly the same specifications as if it was made in a Japanese / Euro / US factory. The difference is the cheaper operating environment - ie lower labour costs, lower energy costs, lower governmental compliance costs etc. There are cases where chinese factories are used to churn out cheap crap but as a previous poster said, the quality is set by the customer, not by the factory. |
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On Nov 8, 6:06 pm, TRoss wrote:
On 8 Nov 2007 11:54:00 -0800, RichA wrote: On Nov 7, 8:08 pm, RainLover wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:31:38 -0800, RichA wrote: On Nov 6, 6:33 pm, RainLover wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:30:21 -0800, RichA wrote: NO other camera company makes their higher end product there, they are all still made in Japan. Olympus is really treading a thin line with this. The idea of "made in China" isn't what it used to be. Can they make CRAP? Sure they can, But they will make anything people want and TO THE SPECIFICATIONS they are asked to make it. If you want a lens made, and hand-ground to some infinitesimal fraction of perfection, that's what they'll do for you... if you want a shoddy toy that falls apart before the next holiday season, they can do that too. Implying "communist china" is equal to "low quality" is a non sequitur at best. James, Port Orchard. Oh sure. Was the last (for e.g.) socket set you bought at Walmart for $10 the equal of a professional, U.S. made set from Sears "as good?" I GUARANTEE that the specifications for the size, and for the quality of metal in both sockets was spelled out EXACTLY to the manufacturer of each. IF you think the products churned out are absolutely to spec, with no variance, you don't know very much about Chinese production. Yeah, right. It's much more likely for a company to allow a factory in China (or anywhere else, for that matter) to produce items without any regard to specifications. Contracts be damned. Reputation be damned. Quality control, customer confidenc, standards certifications ... all be damned. I wonder if the new Zeiss lenses will be fabricated in the toilet that is Communist China? I doubt it. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0711/07110802zeisszfi.asp I don't know about this lens, but Motic manufactures the Primo Star line of microscopes for Zeiss. Excellent microscopes for the clinical/laboratory and advanced education markets. Motic located in China. And since both Motic and Carl Zeiss are ISO 9001 certified, you can be damnsure the Primo Star microscopes are manufactured to specification. TR Part of the manufacturing game is to get around ISO certifications, which is often needed when parts become scarce, etc. ISO violations were rampant in the 1990s during the electronic component shortages caused by the Sumitomo foundry fire. |
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RichA wrote:
NO other camera company makes their higher end product there, they are all still made in Japan. Olympus is really treading a thin line with this. NOw poor Richard Anderson won't be able to take his Cuban vacation with a shiny new Olympus E-3. ... Oh the humanity!!! |
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Olympus GOES CHEAP. E-3, the flagship, MADE IN CHINA, CHINA!!!!
"RichA" wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 6, 11:10 am, wrote: On Nov 6, 12:03 pm, "Frank Arthur" wrote: My Nikon D200 is made in Thailand. So? My Nikkor 50mm f/1.4 is made in China. So? It proves that once again RichA has no idea what he's talking about. Like I said, NO other companies. Thailand is NOT COMMUNIST CHINA. Even to stupid liberals. I spend 1/2 the year in PRC. It is as capitalist as any country you wish to name, or more so. The government is another thing, but Deng Xiaoping made sure it would not interfere with wealth aquisition. You simply would not believe cities like Shanghai. The growth and industry are amazing. Whether they can keep it up is another matter of course, but the change in the last 20 years strains the imagination, and it is not over yet. It is a smart move on Olympus' part. You might notice that there is now extremely good high tech stuff coming out of PRC, especially in the field of electronics. Hard drives, graphics cards, memory, chips...We just bought a $20,000 professional Fujinon video lens. Made in China. Works great. You only have to look at traditional Chinese arts and crafts to see that these people are prodigiously talented and able when the circumstances are favorable. If Olympus can stay on top of the QC issue they will kill the competition. Stay tuned for more and more high end photo equipment coming out of PRC... Toby |
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Olympus GOES CHEAP. E-3, the flagship, MADE IN CHINA, CHINA!!!!
Remember IBM Thinkpad notebooks? They are now Lenovo Thinkpads, and are as
successful and well-built as ever, or more so. Toby |
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Olympus GOES CHEAP. E-3, the flagship, MADE IN CHINA, CHINA!!!!
On Nov 9, 11:23 am, "Toby" wrote:
"RichA" wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 7, 8:08 pm, RainLover wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:31:38 -0800, RichA wrote: On Nov 6, 6:33 pm, RainLover wrote: On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:30:21 -0800, RichA wrote: NO other camera company makes their higher end product there, they are all still made in Japan. Olympus is really treading a thin line with this. The idea of "made in China" isn't what it used to be. Can they make CRAP? Sure they can, But they will make anything people want and TO THE SPECIFICATIONS they are asked to make it. If you want a lens made, and hand-ground to some infinitesimal fraction of perfection, that's what they'll do for you... if you want a shoddy toy that falls apart before the next holiday season, they can do that too. Implying "communist china" is equal to "low quality" is a non sequitur at best. James, Port Orchard. Oh sure. Was the last (for e.g.) socket set you bought at Walmart for $10 the equal of a professional, U.S. made set from Sears "as good?" I GUARANTEE that the specifications for the size, and for the quality of metal in both sockets was spelled out EXACTLY to the manufacturer of each. IF you think the products churned out are absolutely to spec, with no variance, you don't know very much about Chinese production. I wonder if the new Zeiss lenses will be fabricated in the toilet that is Communist China? I doubt it. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0711/07110802zeisszfi.asp Oh dear, your bigotry is showing. Toby For toilet I was referring to what they've done over there with their air, water, etc. 1 million a year dying of air pollution, 2/3 of the water undrinkable, etc. I know life is cheap there (remember when those 6 miners died in the U.S. and it was all over the news for weeks? 2000 died in China this year similarly) but for anyone who has never gone to a (technically) Third World city of any size, they have no idea what filth is. The Soviets and Eastern Europeans treated their countries similarly during their communist period. |
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Olympus GOES CHEAP. E-3, the flagship, MADE IN CHINA, CHINA!!!!
"RainLover" wrote in message
... I GUARANTEE that the specifications for the size, and for the quality of metal in both sockets was spelled out EXACTLY to the manufacturer of each. You're suggesting that it's the FACTORY that decides the quality of what they make, but that's backwards... the company contracting with the factory decides. I doubt Mattel spec'd high amounts of lead to be in those toys... |
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