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Old February 17th 09, 07:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Well the new Soviet state apparatus. The police say photogs won't be
bothered by it? Even without this law they've been searched, detained
and arrested too many times before this law was passed.


http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...hts_Police_war
n_of_terror_law_misuse_update_news_277211.html


Photographers' rights: Police warn of terror law 'misuse' (update)


Tuesday 17th February 2009
Chris Cheesman
community police

The Metropolitan Police Federation (MPF) has come out in support of
photographers by condemning the latest anti-terrorism legislation as
'unfair', 'poorly drafted' and open to misuse.

The body, set up to ensure high standards of policing, backs the campaign
led by Labour MP Austin Mitchell who is calling for the introduction of a
photography code to be followed by officers on the ground.

Last year the MP for Great Grimsby launched an Early Day Motion in the
House of Commons, highlighting photographers' right to take pictures in
public.

The petition has won cross-party support from more than 240 MPs and was
drawn up largely on the back of the experiences of Amateur Photographer
(AP) readers.

In a statement the MPF said: 'The code should be drawn up jointly by the
Home Office and the various professional bodies representing police and
photographers. Its aim should be to facilitate photography wherever
possible, rather than seek reasons to bar it.'

Yesterday, amateur and professional photographers staged a demonstration
outside Scotland Yard over fears that police will enforce Section 76 of
the Terrorism Act 2008 to stamp out photographs of police officers.

As reported by AP, Section 76 of the new Act (which came into force
yesterday) expands on Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000 which made it
an offence to record an image likely to be useful to a terrorist.

The MPF warned that Section 76 is open to 'misinterpretation'.

It adds: 'How, for example, will it be expected to apply to the 2012
Olympics which will be both a photo event, par excellence, and subject to
an intense security operation?

'Does the law mean tourists are going to be rounded up and arrested en
masse for taking suspicious photos of iconic scenes around the capital?
That will work wonders for the international reputation of the London
Bobby and for the city as a whole as a welcoming destination.'

Yesterday, the Metropolitan Police claimed that taking photographs of
police officers would not - except in 'exceptional circumstances' - be
covered by the new offence.
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Old February 17th 09, 10:54 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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"Rich" wrote in message
...
Well the new Soviet state apparatus. The police say photogs won't be
bothered by it? Even without this law they've been searched, detained
and arrested too many times before this law was passed.


http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...hts_Police_war
n_of_terror_law_misuse_update_news_277211.html


Photographers' rights: Police warn of terror law 'misuse' (update)


Tuesday 17th February 2009
Chris Cheesman
community police

The Metropolitan Police Federation (MPF) has come out in support of
photographers by condemning the latest anti-terrorism legislation as
'unfair', 'poorly drafted' and open to misuse.

The body, set up to ensure high standards of policing, backs the campaign
led by Labour MP Austin Mitchell who is calling for the



This demonstrates just how little you actually know about the UK Police.

The Police Federation is the Trade Union for Policemen. It may well have
Ideals about Standards, but its main function is looking after the rights of
its members.

Roy G


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Old February 18th 09, 08:49 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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frank wrote:

On Feb 17, 1:18 pm, Rich wrote:
Well the new Soviet state apparatus. The police say photogs won't be
bothered by it? Even without this law they've been searched, detained
and arrested too many times before this law was passed.

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk..._rights_Police...
n_of_terror_law_misuse_update_news_277211.html

Photographers' rights: Police warn of terror law 'misuse' (update)

Tuesday 17th February 2009
Chris Cheesman
community police

The Metropolitan Police Federation (MPF) has come out in support of
photographers by condemning the latest anti-terrorism legislation as
'unfair', 'poorly drafted' and open to misuse.

The body, set up to ensure high standards of policing, backs the campaign
led by Labour MP Austin Mitchell who is calling for the introduction of a
photography code to be followed by officers on the ground.

Last year the MP for Great Grimsby launched an Early Day Motion in the
House of Commons, highlighting photographers' right to take pictures in
public.

The petition has won cross-party support from more than 240 MPs and was
drawn up largely on the back of the experiences of Amateur Photographer
(AP) readers.

In a statement the MPF said: 'The code should be drawn up jointly by the
Home Office and the various professional bodies representing police and
photographers. Its aim should be to facilitate photography wherever
possible, rather than seek reasons to bar it.'

Yesterday, amateur and professional photographers staged a demonstration
outside Scotland Yard over fears that police will enforce Section 76 of
the Terrorism Act 2008 to stamp out photographs of police officers.

As reported by AP, Section 76 of the new Act (which came into force
yesterday) expands on Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000 which made it
an offence to record an image likely to be useful to a terrorist.

The MPF warned that Section 76 is open to 'misinterpretation'.

It adds: 'How, for example, will it be expected to apply to the 2012
Olympics which will be both a photo event, par excellence, and subject to
an intense security operation?

'Does the law mean tourists are going to be rounded up and arrested en
masse for taking suspicious photos of iconic scenes around the capital?
That will work wonders for the international reputation of the London
Bobby and for the city as a whole as a welcoming destination.'

Yesterday, the Metropolitan Police claimed that taking photographs of
police officers would not - except in 'exceptional circumstances' - be
covered by the new offence


Interestingly, Chicago Trib ran a photo of a demonstration by a few
hundred photogs at a UK police station all taking photos in protest of
the law. Interesting expression on the female police officer's face
that was watching it all.

No doubt there are others out there on the web. Enough of those
protests and the government will probably cave and write something
more useful. Say, prohibitions on what would be SWAT teams in the US
or narcotics officers working undercover. - both pretty much protected
over here for obvious reasons.

Governments forget working WITH the press is much easier than working
AGAINST them.


It IS supposedly to be to keep the identity of undercover cops out of
the papers. Problem over here is they have a habit of using these laws
to do what they want. Our local councils are using anti-terror
legislation to spy on people who let their dogs foul the pavement etc.
They have crazy rules about protests and so forth and are about to or
have already virtually made it impossible to protest against stuff
like nuclear facilities. If memory serves me right they were even
going to remove the rights of local councils to object to them in
their own regions, so the govt can force through any facility and
there will be nothing anyone can do about it.

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Old February 18th 09, 04:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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frank wrote:

Interestingly, Chicago Trib ran a photo of a demonstration by a few
hundred photogs at a UK police station all taking photos in protest of
the law. Interesting expression on the female police officer's face
that was watching it all.



That wasn't just "a police station", it was New Scotland Yard, the
headquarters of the Metropolitan Police, which is responsible for
policing Greater London and for taking the lead in anti-terrorist
operations across the whole country.


No doubt there are others out there on the web. Enough of those
protests and the government will probably cave and write something
more useful. Say, prohibitions on what would be SWAT teams in the US
or narcotics officers working undercover. - both pretty much protected
over here for obvious reasons.

Governments forget working WITH the press is much easier than working
AGAINST them.



In the UK, Governments have no need to work with the press. Governments
have routinely silenced the press for decades using D-Notices.

D-Notices are a form of instant censorship. Once a notice has been
issued in respect of a particular story or situation, the media must not
make any further reference to it until the D-Notice is lifted. In
theory, compliance is voluntary, but enormous pressure is brought to
bear on publications or broadcast media who do not obey.

In the last year or so the system has been made even stricter, and I
think the D-Notice name has been replaced by something else.

A recent application of the system was to prevent reporting of many
extensive and highly effective demonstrations on UK college campuses
against Israel's military operation in Gaza. I read about the
demonstrations on CNN, where they made the Top 10 News for several days.
Trying to find any reference in the UK media was a thankless task; I
tried over 20 new web sites including all the national daily newspapers
and several TV and radio stations - nothing. But as CNN reported, these
were by far the biggest student demonstrations in the UK since 1968.

Presumably reports were censored to avoid upsetting Israel - the UK
having a Jewish foreign secretary may have something to do with this.



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Old February 19th 09, 09:02 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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In message , Bruce
writes
frank wrote:
Governments forget working WITH the press is much easier than working
AGAINST them.


In the UK, Governments have no need to work with the press. Governments
have routinely silenced the press for decades using D-Notices.


D-notices no longer exist and were becoming counter productive. The
D-notice committee has not met in years but often "a Quiet word " was
had with the relevant editors.

The problem over the last decade has been that all the quiet word has
done is warn journalists of a story. A story that then often appears
outside the UK in print or more usually on the Internet where the UK has
no control.

SO they tend not to have a word with the editors lest the story comes up
on a web site in a country that is unfriendly ... eg the when the US
leaked the information on Prince Harry in Afghanestan

In the last year or so the system has been made even stricter, and I
think the D-Notice name has been replaced by something else.


I believe so. Mainly the greatly misused anti terror laws.

A recent application of the system was to prevent reporting of many
extensive and highly effective demonstrations on UK college campuses
against Israel's military operation in Gaza.


That was kept VERY quiet. I only found out as I had a meeting in a UK
University and was surprised to find protest posters al over the place.

I
tried over 20 new web sites including all the national daily newspapers
and several TV and radio stations - nothing. But as CNN reported, these
were by far the biggest student demonstrations in the UK since 1968.


I did not realise it was that big.

Presumably reports were censored to avoid upsetting Israel - the UK
having a Jewish foreign secretary may have something to do with this.


Then perhaps the FS should resign

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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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Old February 19th 09, 10:41 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Chris H wrote:
Bruce writes
A recent application of the system was to prevent reporting of many
extensive and highly effective demonstrations on UK college campuses
against Israel's military operation in Gaza.


That was kept VERY quiet. I only found out as I had a meeting in a UK
University and was surprised to find protest posters al over the place.

I
tried over 20 new web sites including all the national daily newspapers
and several TV and radio stations - nothing. But as CNN reported, these
were by far the biggest student demonstrations in the UK since 1968.


I did not realise it was that big.

Presumably reports were censored to avoid upsetting Israel - the UK
having a Jewish foreign secretary may have something to do with this.


Then perhaps the FS should resign



What? And lose the Israelis their most powerful inside man?

One wonders where the BBC's decision not to broadcast the Disaster
Emergency Committee's charity appeal for Gaza actually came from.

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Old February 19th 09, 11:01 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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In message , Bruce
writes
Chris H wrote:
Bruce writes
A recent application of the system was to prevent reporting of many
extensive and highly effective demonstrations on UK college campuses
against Israel's military operation in Gaza.


That was kept VERY quiet. I only found out as I had a meeting in a UK
University and was surprised to find protest posters al over the place.

I
tried over 20 new web sites including all the national daily newspapers
and several TV and radio stations - nothing. But as CNN reported, these
were by far the biggest student demonstrations in the UK since 1968.


I did not realise it was that big.

Presumably reports were censored to avoid upsetting Israel - the UK
having a Jewish foreign secretary may have something to do with this.


Then perhaps the FS should resign



What? And lose the Israelis their most powerful inside man?

One wonders where the BBC's decision not to broadcast the Disaster
Emergency Committee's charity appeal for Gaza actually came from.


Good Point. OTOH the refusal did generate a LOT of publicity.

Hopefully things will Change as the USA has been wanting to dump Israel
for some time. Obama may actually get around to it.

The idea had been to palm Israel of on the EU but their recent round of
war crimes has precluded that somewhat.


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Old February 19th 09, 03:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Rich added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

Well the new Soviet state apparatus. The police say photogs
won't be bothered by it? Even without this law they've been
searched, detained and arrested too many times before this law
was passed.


http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...hers_rights_Po
lice_war n_of_terror_law_misuse_update_news_277211.html


Photographers' rights: Police warn of terror law 'misuse'
(update)


Tuesday 17th February 2009
Chris Cheesman
community police

The Metropolitan Police Federation (MPF) has come out in support
of photographers by condemning the latest anti-terrorism
legislation as 'unfair', 'poorly drafted' and open to misuse.

The body, set up to ensure high standards of policing, backs the
campaign led by Labour MP Austin Mitchell who is calling for the
introduction of a photography code to be followed by officers on
the ground.

Last year the MP for Great Grimsby launched an Early Day Motion
in the House of Commons, highlighting photographers' right to
take pictures in public.

The petition has won cross-party support from more than 240 MPs
and was drawn up largely on the back of the experiences of
Amateur Photographer (AP) readers.

In a statement the MPF said: 'The code should be drawn up
jointly by the Home Office and the various professional bodies
representing police and photographers. Its aim should be to
facilitate photography wherever possible, rather than seek
reasons to bar it.'

Yesterday, amateur and professional photographers staged a
demonstration outside Scotland Yard over fears that police will
enforce Section 76 of the Terrorism Act 2008 to stamp out
photographs of police officers.

As reported by AP, Section 76 of the new Act (which came into
force yesterday) expands on Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000
which made it an offence to record an image likely to be useful
to a terrorist.

The MPF warned that Section 76 is open to 'misinterpretation'.

It adds: 'How, for example, will it be expected to apply to the
2012 Olympics which will be both a photo event, par excellence,
and subject to an intense security operation?

'Does the law mean tourists are going to be rounded up and
arrested en masse for taking suspicious photos of iconic scenes
around the capital? That will work wonders for the international
reputation of the London Bobby and for the city as a whole as a
welcoming destination.'

Yesterday, the Metropolitan Police claimed that taking
photographs of police officers would not - except in
'exceptional circumstances' - be covered by the new offence.

You have allowed your country to become a vast Socialist nanny
state where everything is "free" and everything is controlled. So,
why are you so surprised that the State now wants to chip away at
your freedoms one by one? Your country has never had a formal
consitution which states all of your freedoms, rights, and
protections as does the US Constitution and Bill of Rights which
leads me to believe you got just what you deserved. The fix? Vote
the Socialists clowns out of office, elect some representatives
that will do what the people want them to do and NOT do what the
people don't want them to do, write a formal document defining your
rights, and take back your country from the Socialists.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when
you lose your job. Recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his job"
Ronald Reagan
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Old February 19th 09, 03:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message


[...]

You have allowed your country to become a vast Socialist nanny
state where everything is "free" and everything is controlled. So,
why are you so surprised that the State now wants to chip away at
your freedoms one by one? Your country has never had a formal
consitution which states all of your freedoms, rights, and
protections as does the US Constitution and Bill of Rights which
leads me to believe you got just what you deserved. The fix? Vote
the Socialists clowns out of office, elect some representatives
that will do what the people want them to do and NOT do what the
people don't want them to do, write a formal document defining your
rights, and take back your country from the Socialists.


You first. Get rid of the Patriot Act, the warrantless wiretapping and all
the rest and then you can talk.


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Old February 19th 09, 03:52 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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In message , HEMI-Powered
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You have allowed your country to become a vast Socialist nanny
state where everything is "free" and everything is controlled.


That would not be a socialist state. Probably Facist though

doms one by one? Your country has never had a formal
consitution which states all of your freedoms, rights, and
protections as does the US Constitution and Bill of Rights which
leads me to believe you got just what you deserved.


You just don't understand. The US is in a WORSE state than the UK
because of your bill of rights.

The fix? Vote
the Socialists clowns out of office,


Had we voted the Socialists out of office 5 years ago we would have been
out of Afghanistan about 4 years ago. The only real support the US had
globally for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq was the UK's
socialist government.

The PM of the time Blair has been decorated twice by GWB. No other
forigen government member has. Certainly not the right wil Germans and
Austrians who refused point blank to support GWB . so it seems the UK
Socialist Government is the only friend the US had.


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