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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
Eric Stevens wrote:
control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? -Wolfgang |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? So why do you think snow is a different colour than a white walled building? -Wolfgang |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:25:21 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? So why do you think snow is a different colour than a white walled building? http://skaremedia.com/sites/default/...ickr/MyEye.jpg -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
On 2012-12-16 09:25:21 -0800, Wolfgang Weisselberg
said: Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? So why do you think snow is a different colour than a white walled building? On my first cognitive visit to London for my Great-Grandmother's 100th birthday in February 1955, I was quite astonished by the black and grey snow in Hyde Park. After that I always thought there was a difference between English snow and all other snow. However I learned that that was still in the days of war recovery & reconstruction, coal burning fireplaces, and the dreaded London fog. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:25:21 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? So why do you think snow is a different colour than a white walled building? http://skaremedia.com/sites/default/...ickr/MyEye.jpg Using an instrument with an amazingly variable automatic white balance (amongst other really wild stiff) --- which is also fed and strongly influenced by "how it should look" --- is a very good method to measure. You can't even tell what thing is brighter when they're only a couple centimeters away from each other --- see optical illusions. Next up (and with much more justification): Santa Claus really exists and brings everyone gifts, I've seen him in dozens of copies in the mall. -Wolfgang |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:20:17 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:25:21 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? So why do you think snow is a different colour than a white walled building? http://skaremedia.com/sites/default/...ickr/MyEye.jpg Using an instrument with an amazingly variable automatic white balance (amongst other really wild stiff) --- which is also fed and strongly influenced by "how it should look" --- is a very good method to measure. You can't even tell what thing is brighter when they're only a couple centimeters away from each other --- see optical illusions. Next up (and with much more justification): Santa Claus really exists and brings everyone gifts, I've seen him in dozens of copies in the mall. So we now have it on record that you think you don't know what you are looking at. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:20:17 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:25:21 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? So why do you think snow is a different colour than a white walled building? http://skaremedia.com/sites/default/...ickr/MyEye.jpg Using an instrument with an amazingly variable automatic white balance (amongst other really wild stiff) --- which is also fed and strongly influenced by "how it should look" --- is a very good method to measure. You can't even tell what thing is brighter when they're only a couple centimeters away from each other --- see optical illusions. Next up (and with much more justification): Santa Claus really exists and brings everyone gifts, I've seen him in dozens of copies in the mall. So we now have it on record that you think you don't know what you are looking at. We have it on record that *you* think your eyes are reliable colour measurement instruments --- even when used in different circumstances and without being able to see both scenes at the same time --- whereas *I* claim they can easily be tricked /and/ have given you enough pointers to research that on your own. Then we have it on record that you believe knowing that the eye can be tricked equals "you don't know what you are looking at". Maybe you /can/ bring proof that *your* eyes are good, absolute colourimeters, but I wouldn't bet a cent to an Earldom on it. Oh, BTW, let me congratulate you on embarking on your quest to ridicule me since I don't agree with you. But look up what Ghandi said about that. -Wolfgang |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:58:32 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:20:17 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:25:21 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? So why do you think snow is a different colour than a white walled building? http://skaremedia.com/sites/default/...ickr/MyEye.jpg Using an instrument with an amazingly variable automatic white balance (amongst other really wild stiff) --- which is also fed and strongly influenced by "how it should look" --- is a very good method to measure. You can't even tell what thing is brighter when they're only a couple centimeters away from each other --- see optical illusions. Next up (and with much more justification): Santa Claus really exists and brings everyone gifts, I've seen him in dozens of copies in the mall. So we now have it on record that you think you don't know what you are looking at. We have it on record that *you* think your eyes are reliable colour measurement instruments --- even when used in different circumstances and without being able to see both scenes at the same time --- whereas *I* claim they can easily be tricked /and/ have given you enough pointers to research that on your own. You are reading too much into what I wrote, unless you believe white walls are never found in the presence of snow. Then we have it on record that you believe knowing that the eye can be tricked equals "you don't know what you are looking at". Well, doesn't it? Maybe you /can/ bring proof that *your* eyes are good, absolute colourimeters, but I wouldn't bet a cent to an Earldom on it. This is not just a discussion of colour. Oh, BTW, let me congratulate you on embarking on your quest to ridicule me since I don't agree with you. But look up what Ghandi said about that. Tsk, tsk. You are too sensitive. Maybe you have seen too many Santa Clauses in the mall? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:58:32 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:20:17 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:25:21 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:03:01 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg Eric Stevens wrote: control colour balance and that the F801s could only control exposure. It did this on the basis of a data base of thousands of images. It must have had color sensitivity of some kind as, for example, it could tell the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene. So you're basically saying that there's no way to detect the difference between a large white-walled building and a snow scene without colour sensitivity, not even by seeing that the snow scene was much brighter than the building? But was it much brighter than the building? So why do you think snow is a different colour than a white walled building? http://skaremedia.com/sites/default/...ickr/MyEye.jpg Using an instrument with an amazingly variable automatic white balance (amongst other really wild stiff) --- which is also fed and strongly influenced by "how it should look" --- is a very good method to measure. You can't even tell what thing is brighter when they're only a couple centimeters away from each other --- see optical illusions. Next up (and with much more justification): Santa Claus really exists and brings everyone gifts, I've seen him in dozens of copies in the mall. So we now have it on record that you think you don't know what you are looking at. We have it on record that *you* think your eyes are reliable colour measurement instruments --- even when used in different circumstances and without being able to see both scenes at the same time --- whereas *I* claim they can easily be tricked /and/ have given you enough pointers to research that on your own. You are reading too much into what I wrote, unless you believe white walls are never found in the presence of snow. Oh, sure, there are. So, what did the camera make from that scene? Then we have it on record that you believe knowing that the eye can be tricked equals "you don't know what you are looking at". Well, doesn't it? Say, how do you know you saw white walls in the presence of snow, or can't your eyes be tricked? Probably that was a yellow wall and smog-stained snow you say ... Maybe you /can/ bring proof that *your* eyes are good, absolute colourimeters, but I wouldn't bet a cent to an Earldom on it. This is not just a discussion of colour. Well, either colour measuring is necessary, or it's not. In the latter case "It must have had color sensitivity of some ^^^^ kind" is proven wrong --- which was my point, in the former case it *is* a discussion of colour and whether your eyes can report them correctly. Oh, BTW, let me congratulate you on embarking on your quest to ridicule me since I don't agree with you. But look up what Ghandi said about that. Tsk, tsk. You are too sensitive. .... for your ploys to work. Maybe you have seen too many Santa Clauses in the mall? Are they spitting images of you, or where's the connection? -Wolfgang |
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