If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:44:13 +0000, Bill Hilton wrote:
If you have a product like the 1Ds that's currently shipping you typically wouldn't announce the model replacing it (1Ds Mark II) until you're ready to start shipping. Otherwise sales would dry up for the existing model. Same deal with the 20D, they announce it and start shipping product within a couple of weeks, and suddenly the 10D looks like yesterday's news. If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users from jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their dSLR last February and we still don't know the ship date or price. So Nikon has nothing to lose by announcing the D2X before they can actually ship it, and a lot to gain since many pros have dumped Nikon and moved to Canon because of the 1D Mark II and 1Ds. This should slow down the defections since the D2X looks like a very sweet camera, based on the specs and projected price. One of the things I have noticed with Canon is that they can replace models faster than you can get haircuts and none of their fanbase seems to get ****ed with them (despite the fact that the newer camera renders their older camera pretty worthless on the used market). It doesn't bother me that Nikon take their time in putting out products. Doesn't bother me at all. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:44:13 +0000, Bill Hilton wrote:
If you have a product like the 1Ds that's currently shipping you typically wouldn't announce the model replacing it (1Ds Mark II) until you're ready to start shipping. Otherwise sales would dry up for the existing model. Same deal with the 20D, they announce it and start shipping product within a couple of weeks, and suddenly the 10D looks like yesterday's news. If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users from jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their dSLR last February and we still don't know the ship date or price. So Nikon has nothing to lose by announcing the D2X before they can actually ship it, and a lot to gain since many pros have dumped Nikon and moved to Canon because of the 1D Mark II and 1Ds. This should slow down the defections since the D2X looks like a very sweet camera, based on the specs and projected price. One of the things I have noticed with Canon is that they can replace models faster than you can get haircuts and none of their fanbase seems to get ****ed with them (despite the fact that the newer camera renders their older camera pretty worthless on the used market). It doesn't bother me that Nikon take their time in putting out products. Doesn't bother me at all. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
leo wrote:
Canon announces their new products a month, or two at the most, before they appear in the market. Nikon's doing the FUD more than half a year away, like the D70 and now the D2X. It would be nice if you either lerned what FUD means or stopped posting nonsense. I have never seen a single piece of FUD from Nikon. -- Sander +++ Out of cheese error +++ |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
That yawn is why I and many thousands of others have all switched from Nikon
to Canon. At this point, were I not allowed to buy Canon, I would switch to Pentax - which has all that compatibility Nikon claims ot have, but doesn't and also has a consistant interface among the camera bodies. Besides, no one can be worse tha Nikon service - as I learned all too late. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html "Wesley Jansen" wrote in message link.net... "Tony" wrote in message . com... Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a - "Hey guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon." Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced last week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my Canons will always be better. |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
That yawn is why I and many thousands of others have all switched from Nikon
to Canon. At this point, were I not allowed to buy Canon, I would switch to Pentax - which has all that compatibility Nikon claims ot have, but doesn't and also has a consistant interface among the camera bodies. Besides, no one can be worse tha Nikon service - as I learned all too late. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html "Wesley Jansen" wrote in message link.net... "Tony" wrote in message . com... Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a - "Hey guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon." Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced last week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my Canons will always be better. |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
Dallas wrote:
It doesn't bother me that Nikon take their time in putting out products. Doesn't bother me at all. So, give it a rest, already. You protest too much, waaay too much. -- John McWilliams I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Tony, as long as I've known you on this newsgroup, you've been biased
towards Canon, but not unreasonably so. Now you've seem to become like some of those Canon trolls that diss any and all Nikon. Too bad. You seem to get all warm and fuzzy because you perceive that you're on the same team as Art Wolfe and some others. Now you say you like Pentax? Give all of us a break!! "Tony" wrote in message om... That yawn is why I and many thousands of others have all switched from Nikon to Canon. At this point, were I not allowed to buy Canon, I would switch to Pentax - which has all that compatibility Nikon claims ot have, but doesn't and also has a consistant interface among the camera bodies. Besides, no one can be worse tha Nikon service - as I learned all too late. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html "Wesley Jansen" wrote in message link.net... "Tony" wrote in message . com... Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a - "Hey guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon." Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced last week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my Canons will always be better. |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
Tony, as long as I've known you on this newsgroup, you've been biased
towards Canon, but not unreasonably so. Now you've seem to become like some of those Canon trolls that diss any and all Nikon. Too bad. You seem to get all warm and fuzzy because you perceive that you're on the same team as Art Wolfe and some others. Now you say you like Pentax? Give all of us a break!! "Tony" wrote in message om... That yawn is why I and many thousands of others have all switched from Nikon to Canon. At this point, were I not allowed to buy Canon, I would switch to Pentax - which has all that compatibility Nikon claims ot have, but doesn't and also has a consistant interface among the camera bodies. Besides, no one can be worse tha Nikon service - as I learned all too late. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html "Wesley Jansen" wrote in message link.net... "Tony" wrote in message . com... Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a - "Hey guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon." Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced last week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my Canons will always be better. |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
Tony, as long as I've known you on this newsgroup, you've been biased
towards Canon, but not unreasonably so. Now you've seem to become like some of those Canon trolls that diss any and all Nikon. Too bad. You seem to get all warm and fuzzy because you perceive that you're on the same team as Art Wolfe and some others. Now you say you like Pentax? Give all of us a break!! "Tony" wrote in message om... That yawn is why I and many thousands of others have all switched from Nikon to Canon. At this point, were I not allowed to buy Canon, I would switch to Pentax - which has all that compatibility Nikon claims ot have, but doesn't and also has a consistant interface among the camera bodies. Besides, no one can be worse tha Nikon service - as I learned all too late. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html "Wesley Jansen" wrote in message link.net... "Tony" wrote in message . com... Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a - "Hey guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon." Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced last week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my Canons will always be better. |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
I've never had much respect for Nikon since owning Nikon Cameras.
Recently I learned not to buy Nikon Scanners either - unless you can afford to throw them away when they break down. I see Nikon as a third rate company that some people claim is great because they've never taken the time to try out any good stuff. It only took me five minutes comparing the AF on an F4 to that on a Rebel (original model) to decide that Nikon wanted to pee on my head and tell me it was raining. You and your kind will continue to defend your bad decisions - fine with me. Go ahead. But I wouldn't recommend Nikon to anyone except Annika. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html "Wesley Jansen" wrote in message hlink.net... Tony, as long as I've known you on this newsgroup, you've been biased towards Canon, but not unreasonably so. Now you've seem to become like some of those Canon trolls that diss any and all Nikon. Too bad. You seem to get all warm and fuzzy because you perceive that you're on the same team as Art Wolfe and some others. Now you say you like Pentax? Give all of us a break!! "Tony" wrote in message om... That yawn is why I and many thousands of others have all switched from Nikon to Canon. At this point, were I not allowed to buy Canon, I would switch to Pentax - which has all that compatibility Nikon claims ot have, but doesn't and also has a consistant interface among the camera bodies. Besides, no one can be worse tha Nikon service - as I learned all too late. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html "Wesley Jansen" wrote in message link.net... "Tony" wrote in message . com... Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a - "Hey guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon." Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced last week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my Canons will always be better. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Seeking recommendation for used SLR gears | S. S. | 35mm Photo Equipment | 186 | December 10th 04 12:18 AM |
CANON - The Great Innovator (was: CANON – The Great Pretender) | Steven M. Scharf | Digital Photography | 104 | September 3rd 04 01:01 PM |
CANON - The Great Innovator (was: CANON – The Great Pretender) | Steven M. Scharf | 35mm Photo Equipment | 92 | September 3rd 04 01:01 PM |