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Super Ikonta Shutters (flash synch)
It was/is my understanding that the old Zeiss Super Ikonta 'flash' shutter
was called a Synchro, and that the Rapid and other shutters had no flash terminal. However, on that big auction site a fellow has one with a Rapid shutter and claims that it has a flash terminal. He says it is just next to the shutter cocking lever. Is this atypical or am I just flat wrong? It's item #230226141947 |
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Super Ikonta Shutters (flash synch)
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:32:24 -0600, jjs wrote:
It was/is my understanding that the old Zeiss Super Ikonta 'flash' shutter was called a Synchro, and that the Rapid and other shutters had no flash terminal. However, on that big auction site a fellow has one with a Rapid shutter and claims that it has a flash terminal. He says it is just next to the shutter cocking lever. Is this atypical or am I just flat wrong? The Compur-Rapid does have flash sync, or at least every Compur-Rapid I've seen does. It's X sync, firing when the shutter is fully open. The Synchro-Compur shutter adds M sync for flash bulbs. -- Matthew Winn [If replying by mail remove the "r" from "urk"] |
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Matthew Winn wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:32:24 -0600, jjs wrote: It was/is my understanding that the old Zeiss Super Ikonta 'flash' shutter was called a Synchro, and that the Rapid and other shutters had no flash terminal. However, on that big auction site a fellow has one with a Rapid shutter and claims that it has a flash terminal. He says it is just next to the shutter cocking lever. Is this atypical or am I just flat wrong? The Compur-Rapid does have flash sync, or at least every Compur-Rapid I've seen does. It's X sync, firing when the shutter is fully open. The Synchro-Compur shutter adds M sync for flash bulbs. There are Compurs-Rapids without flash sync: I think those with a "T" and "B" positions (I had one in a kodak 620 duo) |
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"JDA" wrote in message ... There are Compurs-Rapids without flash sync: I think those with a "T" and "B" positions (I had one in a kodak 620 duo) Bingo! Mine has no flash synch, but it does have T whereas the flash synch model on ebay has no T setting. Thanks for that! |
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"Matthew Winn" wrote in message ... The Compur-Rapid does have flash sync, or at least every Compur-Rapid I've seen does. It's X sync, firing when the shutter is fully open. The Synchro-Compur shutter adds M sync for flash bulbs. Interesting. My Compur-Rapid has no flash socket whatsoever. It is #40642xx. Where the ebay one has a flash socket, I have a cable release socket. Were X (electronic) flashes available back then? |
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Super Ikonta Shutters (flash synch)
jjs wrote:
"Matthew Winn" wrote in message ... The Compur-Rapid does have flash sync, or at least every Compur-Rapid I've seen does. It's X sync, firing when the shutter is fully open. The Synchro-Compur shutter adds M sync for flash bulbs. Interesting. My Compur-Rapid has no flash socket whatsoever. It is #40642xx. Where the ebay one has a flash socket, I have a cable release socket. Were X (electronic) flashes available back then? When is "back then"? The first I saw and used were ponderous Heilands with large and heavy wet cell packs in the very early 50s. They were not something for the consumer market and I don't recall how they synced. I was in the Navy at the time. We used the anniversary model Speed Graphic and flash bulb sync was via an external solenoid; to change that solenoid so it synced with electronic flash would have been extremely inconvenient to say the least so maybe the shutters *did* have an x-sync. I have two Rolleis I purchased in 1956 with X-sync. The earliest consumer type electronic flash I know of was the "FR" from the mid 50s. Used four "D" cells, good for about 30-40 flashes. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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"dadiOH" wrote in message
news:KJSxj.9428$xg6.4653@trnddc07... jjs wrote: Were X (electronic) flashes available back then? When is "back then"? The first I saw and used were ponderous Heilands with large and heavy wet cell packs in the very early 50s. That is before my time in the profession, but I was referring to when my camera was made, the 1930's. But speaking of big flash units, I did lug about the huge, blue plastic Singer Graflex battery pack, then later the "lightweight" 510 volt battery (which was really something like sixty 9V batteries wired in series). |
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Super Ikonta Shutters (flash synch)
jjs wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message news:KJSxj.9428$xg6.4653@trnddc07... jjs wrote: Were X (electronic) flashes available back then? When is "back then"? The first I saw and used were ponderous Heilands with large and heavy wet cell packs in the very early 50s. That is before my time in the profession, but I was referring to when my camera was made, the 1930's. I doubt there was X-sync then since Edgerton invented the speedlight (AKA strobe) in 1931. _____________ But speaking of big flash units, I did lug about the huge, blue plastic Singer Graflex battery pack, Shucks, it ain't heavy, it's my strobe. (Apologies to Father Flanagan & Mickey Rooney) -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Super Ikonta Shutters (flash synch)
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:06:05 -0600, jjs wrote:
"Matthew Winn" wrote in message ... The Compur-Rapid does have flash sync, or at least every Compur-Rapid I've seen does. It's X sync, firing when the shutter is fully open. The Synchro-Compur shutter adds M sync for flash bulbs. Interesting. My Compur-Rapid has no flash socket whatsoever. It is #40642xx. Where the ebay one has a flash socket, I have a cable release socket. Now I look more carefully I find I have one like that too. It's not in a camera, which is probably why I didn't notice it. Were X (electronic) flashes available back then? I'm no expert on flash sync, but I get the impression that X sync was used with bulbs first: not because it was best suited to bulbs, but because it was easy to build. All you need to do to get X sync on a Compur shutter is to put a switch next to the ring that operates the shutter blades and attach a peg to the ring such that when the shutter is fully open the peg closes the switch. M sync is harder because the switch has to close well before the shutter blades start to open. I have a manual for a 35mm camera with a Compur-Rapid shutter and it mentions electronic flash only in passing. Mostly it talks about bulbs and the need for a shutter speed slower than 1/25s to allow the light to peak. -- Matthew Winn [If replying by mail remove the "r" from "urk"] |
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