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whitewave wrote:
First of all, a Rolleiflex with a 2.8 Planar or Xenotar can be found from about 300 Euro upward. Where?!? In Italy their price is 900$ (800 euro), on ebay they go for 550-800 $. Or are you talking about earlier models? Yes. Good "user" F models go from 450+ Euro, good "C,D,E"-Rolleiflex from 300+ Euro. You won't get a Hasselblad this cheap. 700$ for a 500cm + 80 black T* + A12 + waist level finder A Rolleiflex C, D or E needs a brighter screen than the originally issued glass screen, but this is about the only problem with this older models. A F is a joy to use, but well kept C with its round diaphragm (IIRC 13 segments instead of 5 for all newer Rolleis) makes excellent bokeh and has no real disadvantages. Ok, thank for the advice. Second, even a Rolleiflex T or a 3.5B model (3.5/75 Tessar/Xenar) will be the equal of a Hasselblad Planar when stopped down to f5.6-8 or more. These models go for 100-200 Euro. I would like something "softer" than a Tessar. I will use it for portraits. If you want "soft", use a Rolleicord Triotar wide open (in fact, I bought a cheap Rolleicord II exactly for this). A Tessar/Xenar or Planar/Xenotar is never soft except in the extreme corners. The main difference is that the Planar wide open will be deadly sharp until about 90% of the diagonal, and the Tessar starts a little earlier. 2-3 stops down both are critical sharp to the edges. I made this comparison with several Rollei TLRs (even with Rolleicord models with Tessar/Xenar) and two 2.8/80mm Planars for SL66. These are the equal of the Hasselblad Planars. For studio work, I usually use a RB or SL66 for tight shots and a Rollei TLR for larger views, and nobody is able to see any difference in quality between this systems. So you aren't saying Rolleiflex F Planar to be better than Hasselblad Planar, but that they are quite the same. Is it right? Yes, I got about the same results as C.Perez got. I don't have a Hasselblad, but the Zeiss glass of the SL66 is identical to the older Hasselblad C lenses. The differences between the results of the SLR Planars and the TLR Planars are neglegible. The Mamiya 6 & 7 glass _is_ better, but this is like saying Porsche is better than Mercedes... Modern Zeiss WA lenses are surely better than the old Distagons, but we are talking about standard focal lengths and there has been no breaktru in the last 50 years. The only problem old TLR lenses have is that they aren't multicoated. This is a real problem if you have strong light sources in your field of view. I wouldn't use single coated lenses for nightscapes, here the modern multicoating is certainly better. However, a Rollei TLR with the correct sunshade (!) is still a tool that is up to nearly everything you want to do and is very affordable. Martin |
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whitewave wrote:
First of all, a Rolleiflex with a 2.8 Planar or Xenotar can be found from about 300 Euro upward. Where?!? In Italy their price is 900$ (800 euro), on ebay they go for 550-800 $. Or are you talking about earlier models? Yes. Good "user" F models go from 450+ Euro, good "C,D,E"-Rolleiflex from 300+ Euro. You won't get a Hasselblad this cheap. 700$ for a 500cm + 80 black T* + A12 + waist level finder A Rolleiflex C, D or E needs a brighter screen than the originally issued glass screen, but this is about the only problem with this older models. A F is a joy to use, but well kept C with its round diaphragm (IIRC 13 segments instead of 5 for all newer Rolleis) makes excellent bokeh and has no real disadvantages. Ok, thank for the advice. Second, even a Rolleiflex T or a 3.5B model (3.5/75 Tessar/Xenar) will be the equal of a Hasselblad Planar when stopped down to f5.6-8 or more. These models go for 100-200 Euro. I would like something "softer" than a Tessar. I will use it for portraits. If you want "soft", use a Rolleicord Triotar wide open (in fact, I bought a cheap Rolleicord II exactly for this). A Tessar/Xenar or Planar/Xenotar is never soft except in the extreme corners. The main difference is that the Planar wide open will be deadly sharp until about 90% of the diagonal, and the Tessar starts a little earlier. 2-3 stops down both are critical sharp to the edges. I made this comparison with several Rollei TLRs (even with Rolleicord models with Tessar/Xenar) and two 2.8/80mm Planars for SL66. These are the equal of the Hasselblad Planars. For studio work, I usually use a RB or SL66 for tight shots and a Rollei TLR for larger views, and nobody is able to see any difference in quality between this systems. So you aren't saying Rolleiflex F Planar to be better than Hasselblad Planar, but that they are quite the same. Is it right? Yes, I got about the same results as C.Perez got. I don't have a Hasselblad, but the Zeiss glass of the SL66 is identical to the older Hasselblad C lenses. The differences between the results of the SLR Planars and the TLR Planars are neglegible. The Mamiya 6 & 7 glass _is_ better, but this is like saying Porsche is better than Mercedes... Modern Zeiss WA lenses are surely better than the old Distagons, but we are talking about standard focal lengths and there has been no breaktru in the last 50 years. The only problem old TLR lenses have is that they aren't multicoated. This is a real problem if you have strong light sources in your field of view. I wouldn't use single coated lenses for nightscapes, here the modern multicoating is certainly better. However, a Rollei TLR with the correct sunshade (!) is still a tool that is up to nearly everything you want to do and is very affordable. Martin |
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Since you are a student, and presumably have many years of photography
ahead of you, I'd really recommend that you start with a Rollei TLR. This will give you the opportunity to learn about the important aspects of MF shooting; the square frame; the "normal" 75 - 80 mm lens view; Thanks a lot for the advicxe. the differences between films; etc. Once your preferences develop, I'm making tests with my 35mm equipment, and with D100 too. You can see some of my photos in my site, from the signature. your next kit can be tailored to suit your tastes, and you will may spend less in the long run. Ok. Neil ...................................... Marco Baldovin www.whitewave.it |
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Since you are a student, and presumably have many years of photography
ahead of you, I'd really recommend that you start with a Rollei TLR. This will give you the opportunity to learn about the important aspects of MF shooting; the square frame; the "normal" 75 - 80 mm lens view; Thanks a lot for the advicxe. the differences between films; etc. Once your preferences develop, I'm making tests with my 35mm equipment, and with D100 too. You can see some of my photos in my site, from the signature. your next kit can be tailored to suit your tastes, and you will may spend less in the long run. Ok. Neil ...................................... Marco Baldovin www.whitewave.it |
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Since you are a student, and presumably have many years of photography
ahead of you, I'd really recommend that you start with a Rollei TLR. This will give you the opportunity to learn about the important aspects of MF shooting; the square frame; the "normal" 75 - 80 mm lens view; Thanks a lot for the advicxe. the differences between films; etc. Once your preferences develop, I'm making tests with my 35mm equipment, and with D100 too. You can see some of my photos in my site, from the signature. your next kit can be tailored to suit your tastes, and you will may spend less in the long run. Ok. Neil ...................................... Marco Baldovin www.whitewave.it |
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Yes. Good "user" F models go from 450+ Euro, good "C,D,E"-Rolleiflex
from 300+ Euro. I'm trying to find a good deal, like these prices. Modern Zeiss WA lenses are surely better than the old Distagons, but we are talking about standard focal lengths and there has been no breaktru in the last 50 years. Ok, this is a point I didn't think about. The only problem old TLR lenses have is that they aren't multicoated. This is a real problem if you have strong light sources in your field of view. I know this problem. However, a Rollei TLR with the correct sunshade (!) is still a tool that is up to nearly everything you want to do and is very affordable. I hope!! I think it will be a perfect camera for me. Martin ...................................... Marco Baldovin www.whitewave.it |
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Yes. Good "user" F models go from 450+ Euro, good "C,D,E"-Rolleiflex
from 300+ Euro. I'm trying to find a good deal, like these prices. Modern Zeiss WA lenses are surely better than the old Distagons, but we are talking about standard focal lengths and there has been no breaktru in the last 50 years. Ok, this is a point I didn't think about. The only problem old TLR lenses have is that they aren't multicoated. This is a real problem if you have strong light sources in your field of view. I know this problem. However, a Rollei TLR with the correct sunshade (!) is still a tool that is up to nearly everything you want to do and is very affordable. I hope!! I think it will be a perfect camera for me. Martin ...................................... Marco Baldovin www.whitewave.it |
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"Martin Francis" wrote in message ...
http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/test/fourcameras.html FWIW. http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/MF_testing.html And this......?? Ciao Germano |
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"Martin Francis" wrote in message ...
http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/test/fourcameras.html FWIW. http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/MF_testing.html And this......?? Ciao Germano |
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"Martin Francis" wrote in message ...
http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/test/fourcameras.html FWIW. http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/MF_testing.html And this......?? Ciao Germano |
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