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  #31  
Old November 11th 17, 01:56 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:55:13 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share
of Apple.

market share doesn't matter and apple doesn't chase it anyway.

apple, with it's supposedly 'low market share', is on the verge of
becoming the first *trillion* dollar company, while hp, with 'twice the
market share of apple', is but a tiny fraction of apple, currently
about $35b.

if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.

But it's not with desktop PCs.

How have you worked that one out ?


Sticking with subject of Dell vs Apple the data in the following link
(previously deleted by nospam) explains why I made that remark.

"They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share


once again, market share doesn't matter.

apple is about to become the first trillion dollar company, with it's
'tiny' market share.

But they are not a trillion dollar company, just with PCs. Bar in mind
it was PCs we were discussing.

apple has enough cash to buy dell *and* hp.

you also might want to actually read the url *you* gave:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/...worldwide-pc-m
arket-as-windows-continues-to-cede-share-to-the-mac"

Apple continued to grow overall Mac marketshare during the March
quarter as most leading Windows PC makers suffered significant
setbacks, according to the latest research data from Gartner and IDC.
...
Meanwhile, according to Gartner, Apple's worldwide shipments advanced
1 percent year-over-year to 4.6 million during the quarter, giving it
a 7.1 percent marketshare. HP by contrast saw units slide 9 percent,
while Lenovo dropped 7.2 percent. Dell lost just 0.4 percent, but the
only major PC maker to see growth was Asus, up 1.5 percent.


Yep. I read all that. I didn't try to quote it selectively the way you
are prone to do.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #32  
Old November 11th 17, 03:08 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Ripe Apples

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share
of Apple.

market share doesn't matter and apple doesn't chase it anyway.

apple, with it's supposedly 'low market share', is on the verge of
becoming the first *trillion* dollar company, while hp, with 'twice the
market share of apple', is but a tiny fraction of apple, currently
about $35b.

if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.

But it's not with desktop PCs.

How have you worked that one out ?

Sticking with subject of Dell vs Apple the data in the following link
(previously deleted by nospam) explains why I made that remark.

"They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share


once again, market share doesn't matter.

apple is about to become the first trillion dollar company, with it's
'tiny' market share.

But they are not a trillion dollar company, just with PCs.


$896.81 billion, as of now.

my guess is it'll hit $1t by feb, 2018, possibly sooner.

Bar in mind
it was PCs we were discussing.


which includes macs, and you've even argued that a mac is a pc.

in fact, some people buy a mac to run windows and *not* mac os.

apple has enough cash to buy dell *and* hp.

you also might want to actually read the url *you* gave:


http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/...of-worldwide-p
c-m
arket-as-windows-continues-to-cede-share-to-the-mac"

Apple continued to grow overall Mac marketshare during the March
quarter as most leading Windows PC makers suffered significant
setbacks, according to the latest research data from Gartner and IDC.
...
Meanwhile, according to Gartner, Apple's worldwide shipments advanced
1 percent year-over-year to 4.6 million during the quarter, giving it
a 7.1 percent marketshare. HP by contrast saw units slide 9 percent,
while Lenovo dropped 7.2 percent. Dell lost just 0.4 percent, but the
only major PC maker to see growth was Asus, up 1.5 percent.


Yep. I read all that. I didn't try to quote it selectively the way you
are prone to do.


translated: you ignored the key parts that contradict your prejudices.
  #33  
Old November 11th 17, 03:08 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Ripe Apples

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

By that reasoning, all PC box manufacturers and assemblers,
including
HP and Dell are run by stupid people.

pretty much, and a very accurate assessment of dell.

They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share
of Apple.

market share doesn't matter and apple doesn't chase it anyway.

apple, with it's supposedly 'low market share', is on the verge of
becoming the first *trillion* dollar company, while hp, with 'twice the
market share of apple', is but a tiny fraction of apple, currently
about $35b.

if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.

But it's not with desktop PCs.

yes with desktop pcs.

mac sales are up while the overall pc market is shrinking.

You are changing the subject.


nope.

We were originally comparing Apple and
Dell who of the latter you wrote (above) "assemblers, including HP and
Dell are run by stupid people .... pretty much, and a very accurate
assessment of dell." We were not discussing the overall PC market.


yes we were.

just what do you think market share is about, if not the pc market?

hp, dell and apple are all part of the overall pc market.


But the data, the link to which you deleted showed that the "stupid
people" who run Dell have achieved twice the PC market share of Apple.


dell targets a different market segment than apple. the bulk of dell's
sales are corporate contracts, not end user sales. apple's sales are
mostly consumer, a segment dell is extremely weak. for retail sales,
apple owns it. how many dell stores do you see? zero. they were closed
long ago.

but as i said, apple isn't chasing market share.

also, despite apple's supposedly low (and entirely meaningless) market
share, apple is raking in the bucks, more than hp and dell *combined*:
http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/upl...ot-2013-04-16-
at-4-16-4.16.46-PM.png

as i said:
if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.


No wonder you deleted the link and are now trying to change the
subject.


nope. i'm exactly on subject, and understand apple *far* better than
you do.

not that it matters since the future is not desktop pcs. that game is
over.

also keep in mind that most of hp and dell sales are corporate
contracts, not end users, which is a totally different market segment,
something those who mindlessly spout market share numbers fail to
understand.

A desktop computer sold is a desktop computer sold. It doesn't really
matter who the buyer is.

absolutely wrong.

Why?


common sense.

do you really think those who buy a $200 netbook, a $1000 laptop, a
$2000 midrange system and a $5000 high end workstation are the same
sort of customers?

not only are the customers different, but the product specs will also
be different as well as the types of tasks done on them.


And their money is all equally good.


whoosh.
  #34  
Old November 11th 17, 03:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:55:14 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

users are not interested in being able to open the computer. they want
to get actual work done.

Which is why they don't want to sit around while someone buggers about
with small tools.

instead, they bring it to a repair shop and drop it off.


All of the high end commercially oriented Dell stuff can be fixed on
the spot without needing any tools.


nobody cares whether the onsite service person needs tools or not. they
just want it fixed.


[Holds up hoarding]

They just want it fixed!
When do they want it?
They want it NOWWWW!


They don't want to wait while the repair tech tries to find that
screw which he dropped somewhere inside the computer case (or was it
on the carpet?)

you're also ignoring the time for the person to actually show up.

not that it matters, since high end commercial sites will have backup
systems ready for immediate service, often automatically.

even midrange sites and many low end ones have backup systems available.

For the people who don't have on-site on-call service they can be
fixed within minutes at the service center. It's called cost
effective.


as usual, you're ignoring the time to disconnect it, pack it up and
take it to the service center, wait for it to be fixed (even if it's
just a few minutes), drive back and reconnect everything.

of course, that only matters if it fails.

if it *doesn't* fail, then being able to fix it within minutes doesn't
make a difference.

put simply: dell *has* to offer fast repair because their products
*need* it.


And Apple offers slow repair because their products don't need fast
repair ...

This is getting silly. I think I will leave you to it.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #35  
Old November 11th 17, 03:17 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:55:10 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I just attach a drive to a USB port takes a few seconds, even though we have
about 40 PCs in the lab we haven't had to change a drive in years.


Would you want to hang a drive on the kind of USB port circa 2000?


usb 2 existed then, so yes.

however, macs had firewire for several years prior, which was faster
than usb 2 and *muuuuuuuch* faster than usb 1.1.


The Acer had a firewire card fitted but I found I never needed to use
it.

But we did for years run a course unit on hpw PCs work and how to change
cards, discs and teh like from PC desktops, but that course has now been
cancelled as we know the vast majority of uses don;t ever need to change the
ethernet card or hard drive any more than the average car driver has to
change their engine or headlights or 'gas' tank.

Don't tell that to nospam.


too late.

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Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #36  
Old November 11th 17, 03:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Would you want to hang a drive on the kind of USB port circa 2000?


usb 2 existed then, so yes.

however, macs had firewire for several years prior, which was faster
than usb 2 and *muuuuuuuch* faster than usb 1.1.


The Acer had a firewire card fitted but I found I never needed to use
it.


why not?

firewire would have been faster than dealing with usb 2, especially
back then when the early usb chipsets were not all that great.

not only that, but bus-powered firewire drives worked exceptionally
well, easily supporting two and sometimes three drives, all connected
to a single firewire port.
  #37  
Old November 11th 17, 05:04 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 21:08:35 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

By that reasoning, all PC box manufacturers and assemblers,
including
HP and Dell are run by stupid people.

pretty much, and a very accurate assessment of dell.

They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share
of Apple.

market share doesn't matter and apple doesn't chase it anyway.

apple, with it's supposedly 'low market share', is on the verge of
becoming the first *trillion* dollar company, while hp, with 'twice the
market share of apple', is but a tiny fraction of apple, currently
about $35b.

if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.

But it's not with desktop PCs.

yes with desktop pcs.

mac sales are up while the overall pc market is shrinking.

You are changing the subject.

nope.

We were originally comparing Apple and
Dell who of the latter you wrote (above) "assemblers, including HP and
Dell are run by stupid people .... pretty much, and a very accurate
assessment of dell." We were not discussing the overall PC market.

yes we were.

just what do you think market share is about, if not the pc market?

hp, dell and apple are all part of the overall pc market.


But the data, the link to which you deleted showed that the "stupid
people" who run Dell have achieved twice the PC market share of Apple.


dell targets a different market segment than apple. the bulk of dell's
sales are corporate contracts, not end user sales. apple's sales are
mostly consumer, a segment dell is extremely weak. for retail sales,
apple owns it. how many dell stores do you see? zero. they were closed
long ago.

but as i said, apple isn't chasing market share.

also, despite apple's supposedly low (and entirely meaningless) market
share, apple is raking in the bucks, more than hp and dell *combined*:
http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/upl...ot-2013-04-16-
at-4-16-4.16.46-PM.png


Wiggle wiggle (also squirm). Why don't you continue to talk about the
relative competence of Apple and Dell in the PC market, which is where
you started off?

as i said:
if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.


No wonder you deleted the link and are now trying to change the
subject.


nope. i'm exactly on subject, and understand apple *far* better than
you do.


And I understand the subject where this started off better than you
seem prepared for.

not that it matters since the future is not desktop pcs. that game is
over.

also keep in mind that most of hp and dell sales are corporate
contracts, not end users, which is a totally different market segment,
something those who mindlessly spout market share numbers fail to
understand.

A desktop computer sold is a desktop computer sold. It doesn't really
matter who the buyer is.

absolutely wrong.

Why?

common sense.

do you really think those who buy a $200 netbook, a $1000 laptop, a
$2000 midrange system and a $5000 high end workstation are the same
sort of customers?

not only are the customers different, but the product specs will also
be different as well as the types of tasks done on them.


And their money is all equally good.


whoosh.


Can't answer that, can you.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #38  
Old November 11th 17, 05:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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Posts: 12,464
Default Ripe Apples

On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 21:08:31 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share
of Apple.

market share doesn't matter and apple doesn't chase it anyway.

apple, with it's supposedly 'low market share', is on the verge of
becoming the first *trillion* dollar company, while hp, with 'twice the
market share of apple', is but a tiny fraction of apple, currently
about $35b.

if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.

But it's not with desktop PCs.

How have you worked that one out ?

Sticking with subject of Dell vs Apple the data in the following link
(previously deleted by nospam) explains why I made that remark.

"They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share

once again, market share doesn't matter.

apple is about to become the first trillion dollar company, with it's
'tiny' market share.

But they are not a trillion dollar company, just with PCs.


$896.81 billion, as of now.

my guess is it'll hit $1t by feb, 2018, possibly sooner.

Bar in mind
it was PCs we were discussing.


which includes macs, and you've even argued that a mac is a pc.


PC as in personal computer - yes.

in fact, some people buy a mac to run windows and *not* mac os.

apple has enough cash to buy dell *and* hp.

you also might want to actually read the url *you* gave:


http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/...of-worldwide-p
c-m
arket-as-windows-continues-to-cede-share-to-the-mac"
Apple continued to grow overall Mac marketshare during the March
quarter as most leading Windows PC makers suffered significant
setbacks, according to the latest research data from Gartner and IDC.
...
Meanwhile, according to Gartner, Apple's worldwide shipments advanced
1 percent year-over-year to 4.6 million during the quarter, giving it
a 7.1 percent marketshare. HP by contrast saw units slide 9 percent,
while Lenovo dropped 7.2 percent. Dell lost just 0.4 percent, but the
only major PC maker to see growth was Asus, up 1.5 percent.


Yep. I read all that. I didn't try to quote it selectively the way you
are prone to do.


translated: you ignored the key parts that contradict your prejudices.


I haven't ignored any of it. In fact all I did was refer you to it.

That's enough of this nonsensical argument. You are running in
circles.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #39  
Old November 11th 17, 03:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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Posts: 22,076
Default Ripe Apples

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

We were originally comparing Apple and
Dell who of the latter you wrote (above) "assemblers, including HP and
Dell are run by stupid people .... pretty much, and a very accurate
assessment of dell." We were not discussing the overall PC market.

yes we were.

just what do you think market share is about, if not the pc market?

hp, dell and apple are all part of the overall pc market.

But the data, the link to which you deleted showed that the "stupid
people" who run Dell have achieved twice the PC market share of Apple.


dell targets a different market segment than apple. the bulk of dell's
sales are corporate contracts, not end user sales. apple's sales are
mostly consumer, a segment dell is extremely weak. for retail sales,
apple owns it. how many dell stores do you see? zero. they were closed
long ago.

but as i said, apple isn't chasing market share.

also, despite apple's supposedly low (and entirely meaningless) market
share, apple is raking in the bucks, more than hp and dell *combined*:
http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/upl...ot-2013-04-16-
at-4-16-4.16.46-PM.png


Wiggle wiggle (also squirm).


nope.

Why don't you continue to talk about the
relative competence of Apple and Dell in the PC market, which is where
you started off?


that's exactly what i have been talking about all along.

as i said:
if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.


No wonder you deleted the link and are now trying to change the
subject.


nope. i'm exactly on subject, and understand apple *far* better than
you do.


And I understand the subject where this started off better than you
seem prepared for.


nope. you clearly do not.

you are fixated on market share being the only metric of success.

that's a fundamental misunderstanding.

you also don't understand what the market share numbers even mean.


also keep in mind that most of hp and dell sales are corporate
contracts, not end users, which is a totally different market
segment,
something those who mindlessly spout market share numbers fail to
understand.

A desktop computer sold is a desktop computer sold. It doesn't really
matter who the buyer is.

absolutely wrong.

Why?

common sense.

do you really think those who buy a $200 netbook, a $1000 laptop, a
$2000 midrange system and a $5000 high end workstation are the same
sort of customers?

not only are the customers different, but the product specs will also
be different as well as the types of tasks done on them.

And their money is all equally good.


whoosh.


Can't answer that, can you.


i already did, and more than once.
  #40  
Old November 11th 17, 03:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 22,076
Default Ripe Apples

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

They must be doing something right. They have twice the market
share
of Apple.

market share doesn't matter and apple doesn't chase it anyway.

apple, with it's supposedly 'low market share', is on the verge of
becoming the first *trillion* dollar company, while hp, with 'twice
the
market share of apple', is but a tiny fraction of apple, currently
about $35b.

if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.

But it's not with desktop PCs.

How have you worked that one out ?

Sticking with subject of Dell vs Apple the data in the following link
(previously deleted by nospam) explains why I made that remark.

"They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share

once again, market share doesn't matter.

apple is about to become the first trillion dollar company, with it's
'tiny' market share.

But they are not a trillion dollar company, just with PCs.


$896.81 billion, as of now.

my guess is it'll hit $1t by feb, 2018, possibly sooner.

Bar in mind
it was PCs we were discussing.


which includes macs, and you've even argued that a mac is a pc.


PC as in personal computer - yes.


in other words, i've remained on topic all along.

in fact, some people buy a mac to run windows and *not* mac os.

apple has enough cash to buy dell *and* hp.

you also might want to actually read the url *you* gave:



http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/...74-of-worldwid
e-p
c-m
arket-as-windows-continues-to-cede-share-to-the-mac"
Apple continued to grow overall Mac marketshare during the March
quarter as most leading Windows PC makers suffered significant
setbacks, according to the latest research data from Gartner and IDC.
...
Meanwhile, according to Gartner, Apple's worldwide shipments advanced
1 percent year-over-year to 4.6 million during the quarter, giving it
a 7.1 percent marketshare. HP by contrast saw units slide 9 percent,
while Lenovo dropped 7.2 percent. Dell lost just 0.4 percent, but the
only major PC maker to see growth was Asus, up 1.5 percent.

Yep. I read all that. I didn't try to quote it selectively the way you
are prone to do.


translated: you ignored the key parts that contradict your prejudices.


I haven't ignored any of it. In fact all I did was refer you to it.

That's enough of this nonsensical argument. You are running in
circles.


i'm not moving at all.

you're *very* confused.
 




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