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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 20:41:30 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: it is Creative Commons, not Collective Commons https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Main_Page Thanks to you and others, most of the original question is answered! Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007. Q2: Complying with the legal Creative Commons copyright agreement. The only question left is the Mac PowerPoint embedding procedure. Are there Mac experts on this ng who know the answer to the first question? As I said I havenąt used Power Point on a Mac for over 10 years, and since I retired I have had little reason to use Keynote. So in respect of your question, I will be of little help. Actually you were a great help because there were two questions involved, one of which was the legal attribution. Here is a picture of a sample of raw sign material: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/09/sign_blanks.jpg A school will be doing the printing as a class project where the materials cost is coming from the residents who are customizing the PowerPoint, so it's a combined community project, where the legal and Mac/Windows compatibility issues need to be ironed out. I can upload the powerpoint if a specific mac expert asks for it but I don't have a Mac to test out the font embedding on so that is why I am asking Mac experts the question of how to embed true-type fonts in PowerPoint on the Mac. The question is a generic question which anyone who ever embedded fonts on the Mac in PowerPoint would know the answer to. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 04:07:27 GMT, Tim wrote:
So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007? Best suggestion would be to create a separate slide placed either at the beginning or at the end of the presentation just to display that information. If you are extremely proud of your work, you could add your own name (or the team if this was a joint project) as 'Presentation Created by'. After all, it is your intellectual property. Since this is a community project which involves the school, we just need to faithfully answer the two questions: Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007. Q2: Complying with the legal Creative Commons copyright agreement. Here is a sample of the two types of blanks we may end up using: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/09/signs.jpg We have the second question completely answered now, which is that we'll do as you and Savageduck and Mayayana suggested, which is add a final page stating the Creative Commons copyright attribute suggested by Savageduck. The only question left is the Mac PowerPoint embedding procedure. If there are any Mac experts on this ng, they should be able to see if the font embedding instructions from Microsoft work also for the Mac. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint Microsoft doesn't say anything about compatibility between Windows and Mac but this site implies that there is no compatibilty with font embedding. http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm Mac experts are asked if they can embed TT fonts in PowerPoint, and how? |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 04:23:38 GMT, Tim wrote:
OK, as I understand it you are printing individual slides from the PowerPoint presentation for the purpose of using those printed pages as templates to create physical portions of the sign. So you are just transfering the images to a different media. Actually, it's a group project between the local community and the local high school graphics lab, where I am only in charge of creating the overall process that must be legally sound and technically sound. The biggest problem seems to be compatibility between Mac & Windows, where it seems Windows can embed fonts but Macs might not have that capability. http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm Everyone will receive the same PowerPoint file, which I can upload to the net if a specific Mac user requests it for testing purposes. As such, you are not distributing the actual font to anyone else. I really don't think anyone is going to try to recreate any part of the original font file using images from your signs. As long as you display the information requested by Roadgeek in the presentation, you should be covered. Everyone will be asked to create their own custom sign from that PPT. Nobody will be asked to install fonts. The goal is for the font to be embedded in the powerpoint file. Here are the two types of sample blanks that we may end up using. http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/09/signs.jpg I think we'll be using that larger punched blank because it looks best: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/09/sign_blanks.jpg But those smaller flimsy punched blanks are a lot cheaper. At the moment, everything is figured out except we need a Mac expert on this newsgroup who knows something about PowerPoint. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-09 03:00:03 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:54:27 -0400, Mayayana wrote: I would interpret that to mean that you need to include a copy of the license when you distribute the font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded from font sites. I interpret that the same, so it's easily enough done to add a page to the multi-page PowerPoint presentation stating what Savageduck kindly also suggested: "Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005." I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT. That's exactly the question! I can't see any other way to credit the copyright other than the way that Savageduck suggested, which is to add a page at the end crediting the copyright owner. snip The type of license smallprint mentiond with this font is usually meant for those who compile and distribute font collections. They're the ones who have to acknowledge the original person. The normal end-user doesn't really have to worry about it, although if you were printing a book or something to be sold, then it might be at least polite to list a similar acknowledgement in the book's copyright pages (usually near the front). |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-09 03:26:43 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:03:04 +1200, Your Name wrote: Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint? Nope. No button. You'd need to use a graphics application such as Photoshop, GraphicConverter, etc. to create the image, and then import that into PowerPoint. Thanks. I was afraid of that answer. The goal is only these two questions to be answered: 1. Technical (how do I embed the Roadgeek TT font in PowerPoint?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff? We have the second question answered already for Mac & Windows users. And we have the first question answered already for Windows users. Mac experts are needed now to answer the first question for the Mac. OR, you could type the text into PowerPoint as normal, so that it remains editable. Then when the slides no longer need changing, take screenshots and then delete the text and replace with the cropped screenshot. The requirement is for editing by both Mac and Windows PPT users. The only still-open question of the two posed in the OP is how to embed the Roadgeek 2005 True-Type font into a Mac PowerPoint application given this is the warning that I found when I searched how Mac users embed fonts. "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm Does anyone on this ng have a Mac to test if fonts can be embedded in PPT? If you're distributing a PowerPoint document to be edited by other people, then you're best to give them the original font files as well (the original .zip archive, including the licence text if there is one) for them to install. Depending on the software (and user choices) Embeded fonts may or mauy not include all the characters. Sometimes embedded fonts only include the characters that have actually been used. If, for example, you didn't use a lowercase z, then the emedded font may not include that z character if someone else needs it. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-09 03:38:38 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
The problem is a real problem which has been explained fully. I can even upload the file if you want to see the PowerPoint file itself. The only unknown now is how to embed a font in PowerPoint on the Mac. Are there any Mac experts on this ng? If so, can you tell us how to embed that font into PPT on the Mac? You apparently can't embed fonts in the Mac version of Microsoft PowerPoint ... at least not in PowerPoint 2016. (I can't find anything that says the situation has changed in Mac PowerPoint 2017.) There is an add-on that claims to do it for Mac versions of PowerPoint 2011 and PowerPoint 2016: Presentation Font Embedder http://www.presentationfontembedder.com The Mac App Store says it's free, but has "offers in-app purchases", whatever they may be ... I haven't ever used it. Mac users could of course use the Windows version of PowerPoint under virtualisation software or Apple's Boot Camp, but that would require buying both Windows OS and the Windows version of PowerPoint. (You could try using Windows PowerPoint under one of the WINE solutions, such as CrossOver, that do not require the Windows OS, but since they don't actually have Windows OS they do tend to be buggy and not fully compatible). |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
Chaya Eve wrote:
The problem is a real problem which has been explained fully. I can even upload the file if you want to see the PowerPoint file itself. The only unknown now is how to embed a font in PowerPoint on the Mac. Are there any Mac experts on this ng? If so, can you tell us how to embed that font into PPT on the Mac? How many times do you need people to say the same thing? The Mac version of PowerPoint does not have the ability to embed fonts, nor can it display fonts which were embedded by the Windows version of PowerPoint. The only one to blame for this is Microsoft, who chose not to implement that feature in the Mac version of PowerPoint (it still isn't there in the latest PowerPoint 2016). If you want your presentation to be editable by multiple people, and it requires embedded fonts, then there is no way to involve most Mac users in that process because they won't have a version of PowerPoint that supports embedded fonts. For that matter, given a general audience of Mac users you can't even assume they will have PowerPoint at all - only some Mac users have gone to the extra expense of buying Microsoft Office. If you need cross platform editing of presentations with embedded fonts, a better solution is to ditch PowerPoint and use something else which really is cross platform, e.g. LibreOffice appears to support this. I haven't tried that feature (or used it at all for presentations) but it would be easy enough for you to try it and see if it is good enough. -- David Empson |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
Your Name wrote:
On 2017-09-09 03:38:38 +0000, Chaya Eve said: The problem is a real problem which has been explained fully. I can even upload the file if you want to see the PowerPoint file itself. The only unknown now is how to embed a font in PowerPoint on the Mac. Are there any Mac experts on this ng? If so, can you tell us how to embed that font into PPT on the Mac? You apparently can't embed fonts in the Mac version of Microsoft PowerPoint ... at least not in PowerPoint 2016. (I can't find anything that says the situation has changed in Mac PowerPoint 2017.) There is an add-on that claims to do it for Mac versions of PowerPoint 2011 and PowerPoint 2016: Presentation Font Embedder http://www.presentationfontembedder.com The Mac App Store says it's free, but has "offers in-app purchases", whatever they may be ... I haven't ever used it. I had a look at that while researching my previous post. It won't help in this case, because the presentation needs to be editable on both platforms. It has two features: 1. Convert fonts to images, for play-only presentations which will work on both Mac and Windows PowerPoint. The text is no longer editable. This won't work with fonts embedded in the presentation - the Mac user must have the font installed. 2. Embed fonts into a PowerPoint presentation created on a Mac, for presentations which will subsequently be edited and played on Windows only. The embedded fonts won't play on the Mac, because the Mac version of PowerPoint does not support that feature. The Mac user must have the font installed to embed it in the presentation. If the presentation needs to be editable on both Mac and Windows, and must have an embedded font, then PowerPoint is not a practical solution for a general audience. Mac users could of course use the Windows version of PowerPoint under virtualisation software or Apple's Boot Camp, but that would require buying both Windows OS and the Windows version of PowerPoint. (You could try using Windows PowerPoint under one of the WINE solutions, such as CrossOver, that do not require the Windows OS, but since they don't actually have Windows OS they do tend to be buggy and not fully compatible). That would work but seriously limits the range of Mac users who could participate in editing the presentation, because most Macs don't have Windows (and many that do have Windows won't have Office for Windows). -- David Empson |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
Davoud:
It's quite a stretch to say that Macs can't handle fonts as well as Windows! Apple (inventor of desktop publishing *and* of TrueType fonts, the basis for Open Type) is not to blame because MS crippled the Mac versions of their office suite. They had to; if MSOffice for the superior Mac OS had all the features of the Windows version that would be the end of Windows in the enterprise. Chaya Eve : I don't have a Mac. Do you have a Mac? Of course I have Macs. Five of 'em. I've got work to do. Did you read this? http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm Nope. Life's too short. Do you agree or disagree with the statement you are responding to? "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." I do not disagree that PP for Mac cannot imbed fonts. I disagree that it is Apple's fault that Microsoft limits the capabilities of MS Office for Mac because MS (90+ percent of the OS market) greatly fears Apple (5+ percent). If you still disagree, can you tell us how Mac users can embed that font? Since I didn't disagree I cannot tell you that. I can, however, tell you how I might handle the issue in general. It's no different to handling the licensing issue. I would use common fonts that are likely to be on a wide range of computers and do not require embedding. And, of course, I wouldn't be using PP; I would use Apple's highly capable and elegant Keynote application. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 18:31:41 +1200, Your Name wrote:
Depending on the software (and user choices) Embeded fonts may or mauy not include all the characters. Sometimes embedded fonts only include the characters that have actually been used. If, for example, you didn't use a lowercase z, then the emedded font may not include that z character if someone else needs it. I had not thought of that so thank you for brining up the fact that the true type fonts that are embedded should be the entire set, including arrows and shields. In our case, the project is a 'no trespassing' project, which the kids will like because they can get creative with their renditions, and where the residents will be strictly alphabetical. |
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