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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
"Chaya Eve" wrote
| The license says: | "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright | notifications remain intact." | | The copyright says: | "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved." | | So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007? | I would interpret that to mean that you need to include a copy of the license when you distribute the font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded from font sites. I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT. But if you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could distribute the font and license along with the PPT, and include an attribution, like: Thank you to Michael D. Adams for use of the XYZ font. This file is included to accomodate his licensing terms. XYF font is Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved. If you do that then you can also solve the embedding problem. The down side would be that your recipients would need to install the font. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
wrote: In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions. Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and, Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007? This is not a question for clueless clods such as Goodguy, Lewis, & nospam. To clarify the font issue for non-commercial use in road signs, much has been written about the subject of choosing roadsign fonts: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/ma...12fonts-t.html The current standard USA sign font is (still) Gothic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Gothic More than a decade ago the choice was either Gothic or Clearview: https://typographica.org/on-typograp...r-us-highways/ Where Clearview began to be phased in around 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface) However Clearview was discontinued due to issues: http://news.averydennison.com/blog/h...nt-refuses-die Today, the best public font for road signs is: https://store.typenetwork.com/foundr...ies/interstate However, that font is not a free font; but legally free fonts exist. https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek Specifically I have chosen the free "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" narrow font: http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005 Download the desired free font ("Roadside Series B Regular") he https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3 Determine the license agreement, where the license says: "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright notifications remain intact." The copyright notification says: "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved." Look up how to embed the fonts into Windows PowerPoint 2007: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint Check for compatibility issues with Mac PowerPoint 2007: http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is: "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." The line of interest in the copyright notice is: "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright notifications remain intact" The questions, as stated in the original post, are only about: Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007. Q2: Complying with the legal agreement that the copyright remain intact. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sep 8, 2017, Chaya Eve wrote
(in article ): On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your wrote: In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g. in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF using them. If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface. BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\ Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the "small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites. But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex. https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font in web sites: First the licence is a Creative Commons “BY” license which only demands attribution. The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following: “http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by CC BY 3.0" The license says: "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright notifications remain intact." That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; “License: unknown” and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license. http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/ So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement. The copyright says: "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved." That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only requirement of the Collective Commons “BY” 3.0 license. So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007? To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or words to that effect: Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights Reserved. License CC by.” I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before "web fonts" came along. I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of the text in PowerPoint that is distributed. But how is that done? Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint? -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
Good Guy:
This is a Windows 10 newsgroup, Chaya Eve wrote: It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac). "First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint.... It's quite a stretch to say that Macs can't handle fonts as well as Windows! Apple (inventor of desktop publishing *and* of TrueType fonts, the basis for Open Type) is not to blame because MS crippled the Mac versions of their office suite. They had to; if MSOffice for the superior Mac OS had all the features of the Windows version that would be the end of Windows in the enterprise. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:54:27 -0400, Mayayana
wrote: I would interpret that to mean that you need to include a copy of the license when you distribute the font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded from font sites. I interpret that the same, so it's easily enough done to add a page to the multi-page PowerPoint presentation stating what Savageduck kindly also suggested: "Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright Michael D. Adams, 2005." I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT. That's exactly the question! I can't see any other way to credit the copyright other than the way that Savageduck suggested, which is to add a page at the end crediting the copyright owner. But if you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could distribute the font and license along with the PPT. As explained in the OP, the intent is to "embed" the font into the PowerPoint. This is easy to do on Windows but there's a question of how to do it on the Mac given this reference: http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is: "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." Are there any Mac knowledgeable people on this newsgroup who can help? If you do that then you can also solve the embedding problem. The down side would be that your recipients would need to install the font. As explained in the OP, the goal is to embed the font so that both the Mac and Windows users can modify the signs before being printed at the school. It is easy to embed the font into Windows PowerPoint. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint What is needed is a Mac expert who can test embedding the font into his PowerPoint version to show us how embedding fonts works on the Mac. http://fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005 |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-09 01:18:55 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote: snip I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before "web fonts" came along. I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of the text in PowerPoint that is distributed. But how is that done? Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint? Nope. No button. You'd need to use a graphics application such as Photoshop, GraphicConverter, etc. to create the image, and then import that into PowerPoint. OR, you could type the text into PowerPoint as normal, so that it remains editable. Then when the slides no longer need changing, take screenshots and then delete the text and replace with the cropped screenshot. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-09 02:52:47 +0000, Davoud said:
Good Guy: Chaya Eve wrote: It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac). "First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint.... It's quite a stretch to say that Macs can't handle fonts as well as Windows! Apple (inventor of desktop publishing *and* of TrueType fonts, the basis for Open Type) is not to blame because MS crippled the Mac versions of their office suite. They had to; if MSOffice for the superior Mac OS had all the features of the Windows version that would be the end of Windows in the enterprise. You can already ditch Microsloth's garbage and just use Mac with Apple's Keynote instead (or even one of the other office suite presentation apps). The problem is that some places don't allow you to use your own equipment for presentations, so you *have* to have a PowerPoint file. Although you can save a PowerPoint file from some of these other presentation packages, there's no guarantee it will look and work the same ... mind you, there's no guarantee of that even if you do use Microsloth apps under Windoze either. :-\ |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
In article , Chaya Eve
wrote: The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is: "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." Are there any Mac knowledgeable people on this newsgroup who can help? there are quite a few who can, and while i can't speak for others, this 'clueless clod' has zero interest in helping you. In article , Chaya Eve wrote: This is not a question for clueless clods such as Goodguy, Lewis, & nospam. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:39:50 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font in web sites: First the licence is a Creative Commons BY license which only demands attribution. Thank you for finding that information that attribution is all that's needed to answer the second of the two original questions. 1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?) The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following: http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by CC BY 3.0" I agree that a simple attribution page is in the spirit of the Creative Commons license agreement, since distribution isn't by web, but by PowerPoint embedding. The license says: "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright notifications remain intact." That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; License: unknown and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license. http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/ So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement. I think this particular free font is so widely distributed on web sites that the adherence to license agreements by those web sites is variable. The copyright says: "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved." That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only requirement of the Collective Commons BY 3.0 license. Thank you for finding and understanding the "collective commons" agreement, which is new to me so I appreciate your advice. So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007? To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or words to that effect: Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights Reserved. License CC by. Thank you. That seems like a good answer to the second question of the two asked! 1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff? Are there Mac experts on this ng who know the answer to the first question? |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:03:04 +1200, Your Name wrote:
Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint? Nope. No button. You'd need to use a graphics application such as Photoshop, GraphicConverter, etc. to create the image, and then import that into PowerPoint. Thanks. I was afraid of that answer. The goal is only these two questions to be answered: 1. Technical (how do I embed the Roadgeek TT font in PowerPoint?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff? We have the second question answered already for Mac & Windows users. And we have the first question answered already for Windows users. Mac experts are needed now to answer the first question for the Mac. OR, you could type the text into PowerPoint as normal, so that it remains editable. Then when the slides no longer need changing, take screenshots and then delete the text and replace with the cropped screenshot. The requirement is for editing by both Mac and Windows PPT users. The only still-open question of the two posed in the OP is how to embed the Roadgeek 2005 True-Type font into a Mac PowerPoint application given this is the warning that I found when I searched how Mac users embed fonts. "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm Does anyone on this ng have a Mac to test if fonts can be embedded in PPT? |
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